Socialistic Nations = Happiest People

[elvis]

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Roosevelt didn't declare war on Germany. France could have stopped Hitler in 1936 if they had sent troops into the Rheinland. They didn't. Chamberlain did all he could to appease Hitler. Doesn't sound like people I want to learn from.

Actually thanks for reminding me, the US didn't even have the nads to declare war on Germany, Hitler declared war on the US. So what does the rest of the world learn from that?

Yeah, well, other than a civil war that had occurred long after the last participant died, WWI was very much in the memories of Europeans and they tried to stop it happening again. Hindsight is 20/20. The last time the French did anything of military significance Napoleon Bonaparte was the head honcho...

Yet the US gets involved in a war it has no business being in (Viet Nam). What lesson did you learn from that? Nothing. 36 years later you're in another war that is none of your business. Your country certainly sounds like a place the rest of us could learn from, problem is we already took the lesson notes and learned from it. Pity you guys couldn't do the same...

Germany wasn't America's problem. She was Europe's If the French had marched into Rheinland when Hitler violated Versailles, Hitler would have had to withdraw. Instead she did nothing and got conquered in three weeks, and by some miracle, Hitler didn't slaughter the Brits at Dunquerque. In comes the US and rescues France once again.

we got involved in Vietnam to bail out who? The French AGAIN.

 

[elvis]

childish. wanna play candyland while we're at it?

So, let's get this straight. You belittle Europe for mollycoddling to one dictator, I point out the US has done that to at least five, and I'm being childish? hhhmmm...no wonder you righties never learn....

no, chrissie the commie said we should LEARN from Europe. I was disputing that. and take your condescending attitude and shove it up your Euro ass.

 

[Red Dawn]

all western powers have coddled dictators including the US.

Its a desparate attempt to divert the thread.


This is 2009, not 1939.


I'm still waiting to hear one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of rightwing republican ideology.

the rest of the rightwing attempts to explain away the general stability and life quality in liberal social democratic nations have ended in hilarious failure. Especially the dude who said the europeans had incurred "much' more debt than we had

 

[elvis]

No one could have anticipated that Germany would be stupid enough to declare war on the US. While with regard to Europe, he made clear what he wanted to accomplish in Mein Kampf and England and France wrote it off as rhetoric.

 

[elvis]

Like Batista? Pinochet? Noriega? The House of Saud? The Shah of Iran? Those kinds of dictators?

like Hitler.

So far it's USA: 5, Europe: 1

Mussolini, Kaiser Wilhelm II, Otto von Bismarck, Ho Chi Minh, There its tied. Happy now?

 

[elvis]

all western powers have coddled dictators including the US.

Its a desparate attempt to divert the thread.


This is 2009, not 1939.


I'm still waiting to hear one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of rightwing republican ideology.

the rest of the rightwing attempts to explain away the general stability and life quality in liberal social democratic nations have ended in hilarious failure. Especially the dude who said the europeans had incurred "much' more debt than we had

When I said "coddle dictators", I was thinking specifically of Hitler. I was disputing that we have "much to learn from Europeans". I found that interesting when you consider that had Hitler not declared war on the US, Europe may very well be a Nazi state to this day.
What are we supposed to learn, how to commit national suicide?
I am aware the US and Europe have both coddled dictators.
what is your definition of right wing republican ideology?

 

[Xenophon]

Its awesome when Cons who've never been overseas, and have probably never left the confines of their home state, give us lectures about europe.

It's awesome when Red dawn makes stupid assumptions, is 100% wrong, and proves again he doesn't know his ass from his elbow.

You would think we would be used to it, as he does it virtually every post, yet he manages to top himself time and time again in dumb comments.

Tell us genius, all about the riots in France 2 summers ago, what were they about?

Tell us why certain sections of Sweden are no longer considered accessable to police.

Tell us why the German government felt that it was critical that new immigrants be required to learn german.

The next factual thing you say will be the first factual thing you have ever said on this board (and anywhere else for that matter).

 

[Xenophon]

I'm still waiting to hear one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of leftwing democratic ideology.

We are waiting Francis, pony it up.

 

[Said1]

like Hitler.

So far it's USA: 5, Europe: 1

Mussolini, Kaiser Wilhelm II, Otto von Bismarck, Ho Chi Minh, There its tied. Happy now?

Don't forget Stephan Harper, another socialist dictator.

 

[Red Dawn]

Its awesome when Cons who've never been overseas, and have probably never left the confines of their home state, give us lectures about europe.

It's awesome when Red dawn makes stupid assumptions, is 100% wrong, and proves again he doesn't know his ass from his elbow.

You would think we would be used to it, as he does it virtually every post, yet he manages to top himself time and time again in dumb comments.

Tell us genius, all about the riots in France 2 summers ago, what were they about?

Tell us why certain sections of Sweden are no longer considered accessable to police.

Tell us why the German government felt that it was critical that new immigrants be required to learn german.

The next factual thing you say will be the first factual thing you have ever said on this board (and anywhere else for that matter).

can you give me something other than a link to a rightwing blog, that factually demonstrates that vast swaths of scandinavia are out of control and inaccessible to police? My scandinavian friends have not informed me of this astonishing event!


with regard to germany, I don't admire everything about europeans. I think the U.S. is an amazing country with regard to our constitutional freedoms and our tolerance for diversity. At least in relation to other countries.

But, we can and do have something to learn from liberal social democracies in terms of egalitarianism and the social welfare of society.

Finally, you and your bush voting buddies have been unable to provide one, single, solitary example of a democratic, developed nation state that successfully employs the ideology of rightwing republican philosophy of economics and markets to acheive a stable, prosperous, and happy society.

I can only assume no-zero-none examples exist, and that the rightwing extremist ideology you subscribe to is little more than mental masturbation with no real world examples demonstrating that it actually works.

 

[Xenophon]

Rediculous partisan rantings removed.

Still waiting Francis, what was that one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of leftwing democratic ideology.

Well?

 

[auditor0007]

The American system is broken and is in a lot more trouble financially than most European countries, or Australia and NZ....poor buggers....

The real problem involves more than current debt. With all of these countries suffering from aging populations (European countries, along with Japan, are also suffering declining populations while they are aging), it doesn't include long term obligations that will significantly add to these deficits. It is the long term obligations for healthcare and retirement funds that will bankrupt most of these countries.

Because government spending is a much lower percentage of GDP in the US, it is possible that the US will be able to fund most of its current programs through higher taxation. However, that will come at a great cost to those who follow us, as their standard of living will be greatly reduced.

In countries where goverenment spending is already near or over 50% of GDP, this will be devastating as there will be no room for increased taxation to fund those programs.

 

[auditor0007]

Germany 62.5% Belgium 100% and france 67.5 % have higher debt to GDP ratios than the US and France is privatisng much of it's industry.. Sweden is also roughly 95% Swede, France 90% French, GErmany 95% German. The largest ethnic minority in Germany is Turks at 2%.

Canada sits on a sea of oil And Sweden isn't for all it's rep otherwise isn't a whole lot more socialist than we are with the only major difference being Medical. All countries with so-called single payer systems (ie government) suffer from an acute shortage of medical staff for the government run hospitals. It is by the way exactly what you would expect. After all why spend 8 -12 years in college to take on an extraordinarily stressful job that doesn't pay significantly more than driving a truck?

According to the OECD, the US is the 6th most indebted nation of the 28 nations in the OECD.

hmmmm.....every rightwing talking point has collapsed.

They really were clinging to that canard that the europeans had MUCH more debt than we did, weren't they.

Why, its almost as if the rightwing blogs they read, just routinely lie to them and make shit up out of whole cloth!

Again, the long term obligations will change these numbers drastically, and those countries that rely on so much government spending will eventually collapse completely.

 

[auditor0007]

According to the OECD, the US is the 6th most indebted nation of the 28 nations in the OECD.

hmmmm.....every rightwing talking point has collapsed.

They really were clinging to that canard that the europeans had MUCH more debt than we did, weren't they.

Why, its almost as if the rightwing blogs they read, just routinely lie to them and make shit up out of whole cloth!

Europe does a lot of things well, and we can learn from them.

Talk to us about how well the Europeans are doing twenty years from now when their GDP is half of what it is today in real dollars.

 

[auditor0007]

No one could have anticipated that Germany would be stupid enough to declare war on the US. While with regard to Europe, he made clear what he wanted to accomplish in Mein Kampf and England and France wrote it off as rhetoric.

Hitler didn't want to declare war on the US, but he was forced to as an agreement with Japan. When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and the US declared war on Japan, it was just a formality that Germany must declare war on the US.

Either way, the US was close to getting involved even without the German declaration.

 

[xotoxi]

Perfect example,, We want dental care just like Great Britain has don't we? Can't fucking wait!

Have you ever been to Maine and looked into someone's mouth?

Welcome to Great Britain.

True dat.

Dental care is the great divide between near poverty and sheer poverty.

Here's an interesting factoid...

Maine offers something called Maine CARE for those who are lacking health care.

Now Maine CARE will happily remove teeth for those whose teeth are killing them (as teeth will over time, if they're in bad shape..usually by heart disease, I'm informed).

But here's the fly in that ointment.

MaineCARE doesn't help people get dentures.

Apparently not being able to chew one's food isn't thought a significant health risk in Maine.

Chew over that for a while...if you still can.

I'm quite aware.

Most things that Mainecare does makes no sense and is arbitary.

 

[Xenophon]

Hitler didn't want to declare war on the US, but he was forced to as an agreement with Japan. When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and the US declared war on Japan, it was just a formality that Germany must declare war on the US.

Either way, the US was close to getting involved even without the German declaration.

Sorry aud, this is not correct.

Since Japan was the agressor, germany was under no obligation to declare war on the USA.

The most likely reason he did it was frustration over the US naval campaign in the North Atlantic (the USA was doing things quite illeagally, in total violation of the laws of neutrality).

To Hitler, it was simply a matter of formalizing what already in fact existed, a state of war.

 

[Harry Dresden]

childish. wanna play candyland while we're at it?

So, let's get this straight. You belittle Europe for mollycoddling to one dictator, I point out the US has done that to at least five, and I'm being childish? hhhmmm...no wonder you righties never learn....

geezus grump i thought you had a little more on the ball,a little more going for ya....guess not.... so now you are going to tell us the the countries of Europe DONT coddle dictators then or now?.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

all western powers have coddled dictators including the US.

Its a desparate attempt to divert the thread.


This is 2009, not 1939.


I'm still waiting to hear one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of rightwing republican ideology.

the rest of the rightwing attempts to explain away the general stability and life quality in liberal social democratic nations have ended in hilarious failure. Especially the dude who said the europeans had incurred "much' more debt than we had

give us an example of a leftwing ideology.... thats successful....

 

[Chris]

all western powers have coddled dictators including the US.

Its a desparate attempt to divert the thread.


This is 2009, not 1939.


I'm still waiting to hear one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of rightwing republican ideology.

the rest of the rightwing attempts to explain away the general stability and life quality in liberal social democratic nations have ended in hilarious failure. Especially the dude who said the europeans had incurred "much' more debt than we had

give us an example of a leftwing ideology.... thats successful....

Ever other Western democracy has universal healthcare, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.