Socialism Gets Tested

[danielpalos]

Socialism bailed out Capitalism in 1929 and has been doing the hard work ever since.

 

[The Rabbi]

The commie idiots in China, who are just a couple of generations ahead of the lefty leaders here, proclaim their commie masters' wisdom and thank their abusive leaders when people from the outside world risk their lives come into the country to provide routine medical care that the rest of the world has access to. Brainwashing does work. Anybody who doubts it can take a look at the idiotic lefty posts in this thread. Or anything that Lakota, coyote or care4all post.

China has not been a communist country for years.

"China has transformed itself from a centrally plannedclosed economy in the 1970’s to a manufacturing and exporting hub over the years. The Chinese economy is propelled by an equal contribution from manufacturing and services (45 percent each, approximately) with a 10 percent contribution by the agricultural sector. The Chinese economy overtook the US economy in terms of GDP based on PPP. However, the difference between the economies in terms of nominal GDP remains large. China is currently a $10.35 trillion economy and has been growing at around seven percent in the recent years. (Related reading, see: Why China Is "The World's Factory.")"

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First you say China is socialist. Now you deny it. Make yp your tiny mind.
The truth is that countries succeed to the extent they adopt free market models. They fail to the extent they adopt socialist models. China was a failed state through the 1970s because of the socialist model. They became successful when they adopted the free market model.

Tell that to Political Chic. To her, they are communist. What about Western Europe? Compared to the rest of the world, they are thriving.

France? Belgium? Nope. Failed states.

 

[paddymurphy]

The commie idiots in China, who are just a couple of generations ahead of the lefty leaders here, proclaim their commie masters' wisdom and thank their abusive leaders when people from the outside world risk their lives come into the country to provide routine medical care that the rest of the world has access to. Brainwashing does work. Anybody who doubts it can take a look at the idiotic lefty posts in this thread. Or anything that Lakota, coyote or care4all post.

China has not been a communist country for years.

"China has transformed itself from a centrally plannedclosed economy in the 1970’s to a manufacturing and exporting hub over the years. The Chinese economy is propelled by an equal contribution from manufacturing and services (45 percent each, approximately) with a 10 percent contribution by the agricultural sector. The Chinese economy overtook the US economy in terms of GDP based on PPP. However, the difference between the economies in terms of nominal GDP remains large. China is currently a $10.35 trillion economy and has been growing at around seven percent in the recent years. (Related reading, see: Why China Is "The World's Factory.")"

Read more: The World s Top 10 Economies
Follow us: @Investopedia on Twitter

First you say China is socialist. Now you deny it. Make yp your tiny mind.
The truth is that countries succeed to the extent they adopt free market models. They fail to the extent they adopt socialist models. China was a failed state through the 1970s because of the socialist model. They became successful when they adopted the free market model.

There is a difference, you fucking moron, between a communist nation and a socialist one. There is a difference between communism, socialism and an economy with a mix of capitalism and socialism. There is no bright line. You think this country is socialist. By that measure, every successful nation in the world today is socialist. The reality is that such labels are for stupid people. Having social welfare programs does not make a nation socialist. Most of our GDP is from private economic activity.

 

[paddymurphy]

The commie idiots in China, who are just a couple of generations ahead of the lefty leaders here, proclaim their commie masters' wisdom and thank their abusive leaders when people from the outside world risk their lives come into the country to provide routine medical care that the rest of the world has access to. Brainwashing does work. Anybody who doubts it can take a look at the idiotic lefty posts in this thread. Or anything that Lakota, coyote or care4all post.

China has not been a communist country for years.

"China has transformed itself from a centrally plannedclosed economy in the 1970’s to a manufacturing and exporting hub over the years. The Chinese economy is propelled by an equal contribution from manufacturing and services (45 percent each, approximately) with a 10 percent contribution by the agricultural sector. The Chinese economy overtook the US economy in terms of GDP based on PPP. However, the difference between the economies in terms of nominal GDP remains large. China is currently a $10.35 trillion economy and has been growing at around seven percent in the recent years. (Related reading, see: Why China Is "The World's Factory.")"

Read more: The World s Top 10 Economies
Follow us: @Investopedia on Twitter

First you say China is socialist. Now you deny it. Make yp your tiny mind.
The truth is that countries succeed to the extent they adopt free market models. They fail to the extent they adopt socialist models. China was a failed state through the 1970s because of the socialist model. They became successful when they adopted the free market model.

Tell that to Political Chic. To her, they are communist. What about Western Europe? Compared to the rest of the world, they are thriving.

France? Belgium? Nope. Failed states.

By what measure?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We see what SOCIALISM has done, and IS DOING to America.... dragging us down into the third world! Look to the Manchurian muslim's agenda's and policies!

I know, I rather suspect the idiot socialists are going to oversee their own destruction via criminal alien and violent muslim invasion. It's the only positive thing about them turning the us into a shithole.

The useful idiots are always the first ones rounded up and eliminated

 

[edthecynic]

Liberalism and economics, ...oil and water.

CON$ervatism and the WHOLE truth, ...oil and water.

Like all professional liars, you left out the part that immediately after Dan Price changed the pay scale, his brother Lucas sued him, which is what caused the financial problems in the company.

 

[edthecynic]

"From each according to his ability.....to each according to his need" .....seemed like a good idea at the time....

That's what Jesus thought and is why he put it in the Bible!

 

[Skylar]

Show us the Encyclopedia Britannica article saying as much.

And of course, Socialism doesn't advocate the abolishment of all private property, making a distinction between personal property (like clothing, personal affects, houses, etc) and means of production (factories, farms, etc).

While most democrats don't call for the public ownership of all means of production or the abolishment of all private property.

These are enormous differences. Yet you laughably insist that they are all the same. And with such a blunder demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what a communist is, you don't know what a socialist is, and you can't recognize the enormous disparity between both systems and that advocated by democrats.

Try again.

"Socialism doesn't advocate the abolishment of all private property,"
Of course it does....but uses taxation and regulation until it is either strong enough to use confiscation or revolution.

Save that it doesn't. There are still private homes, private personal affects, private cars, private clothes, private gardens, etc under socialism. Private property isn't abolished. The means of production are merely owned collectively.

Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You're merely cutting and pasting arguments you don't understand. As you always do.

And still, the fact that private property exists under socialism utterly confounds you. Still, the fact that most democrats don't call for the abolishment of private property or the collective ownership of all means of production confounds you.

As you can't reconcile your silly fallacies with these even simpler facts.

BTW....here is Cole's article.....the one you suggested didn't exist.

Take notes: "Google Books"id=7mgNAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA571&lpg=PA571&dq=Encyclopedia+Britannica,+Prof.+G.+D.+H.+Cole+%22socialism%22&source=bl&ots=2BSRNwEk3a&sig=cCQdMd_2v1RFQpf_2sP0dK62BlA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAmoVChMIqam9mfyPxwIVSDI-Ch0UNw0l#v=onepage&q=Encyclopedia%20Britannica%2C%20Prof.%20G.%20D.%20H.%20Cole%20%22socialism%22&f=false

Your link doesn't connect to anything. Try again.

No, you try again....it worked on my computer.

The Encyclop dia Britannica A Dictionary of Arts Sciences Literature and ... - Google Books

And where is this statement on the link you just offered us?

The distinction between socialism as distinguished by various Labor and Socialist parties of Europe and the New World, and communism, as represented by the Russians and minority parties in other countries is one of tactics-and-strategy rather than one of objective.

Given that all you're good for is cutting and pasting....I'd assumed you were better at it than you're revealing yourself to be. As your link doesn't include your quote.

As I said, you're just repeating what you were told to think. And you don't even know why.

Is this your apology for suggesting the link didn't exist?

I suggested you couldn't show us Encyclopedia Britannica saying what you claimed it did. As you had no source.

And you still haven't.

Is this your apology for saying the link didn't work?

The link didn't work. You posted gibberish. You fixed your link in later post. And shocker, it didn't match your supposed quote.

Now how was I able to predict that?

Try this: file:///C:/Users/Angel/Downloads/The%20Twenty-Year%20Revolution%20from%20Roosevelt%20to%20Eisenhower_3.pdf

Um, 'Angel', that's a URL for your own computer's download folder.

Sigh.....you're not very good at this, are you?

"....to socialist movements. In an article on socialism in the Encyclopedia Britannica, Prof. G. D. H. Cole, a leading theoretician and historian of the British Labor Party, declares: "The distinction between socialism, as represented by the various Socialist and Labor parties of Europe and the New World, and communism, as represented by the Russians and the minority groups in other countries, is one of tactics.-and·-strategy rather than of;..-()bjective. Communism is indeed only socialism pursued by revolutionary means and making its revolutionary method a canon of faith...."

And for the 5th time, show us the Encyclopedia Britannica saying this.

And of course, your argument still fails on Socialism's acceptance of all sorts of private property. While communism abolishes it. And the fact that most democrats aren't calling for abolishment of private property or the collective ownership of all means of production.

Yet laughably, you equate the three. Sorry 'Angel', but you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Regulation is not ownership.

Obama's fascist care isn't "regulation" or "oversight," it is direct control of the health care industry.

Regulation is the prohibition of potential tortuous behavior. Control is mandatory engagement of acts.

Fascist care doesn't simply prohibit dangerous acts, but in fact mandates what care will be provided and the manner in which it is provided.

You claims that fascist care doesn't meet the definition of socialism is laughable, and merely exposes your lack of education, ethics, or both.

Its as silly as claiming that the government owns your car because there are speed limits.

And if they were the same, you wouldn't have had to change the definition to suit your argument. Regulation is obviously different than ownership. Which is why you felt it necessary to creatively edit the definition.

Speed limits prohibit what is considered dangerous or anti-social behavior.

To be equivalent to Obamacare, the vehicle code would have to mandate that all drivers travel 31 miles at 26.3 MPH at least once per week or face penalties from the secret police (IRS)

 

[bedowin62]

Socialism bailed out Capitalism in 1929 and has been doing the hard work ever since.

^^^signs the meds need to be upped^^^^^

 

[bedowin62]

Socialism bailed out Capitalism in 1929 and has been doing the hard work ever since.

where did the money come from?




snicker

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's what Jesus thought and is why he put it in the Bible!

Oh? What book and verse is that in, edtheliar?

 

[bedowin62]

The commie idiots in China, who are just a couple of generations ahead of the lefty leaders here, proclaim their commie masters' wisdom and thank their abusive leaders when people from the outside world risk their lives come into the country to provide routine medical care that the rest of the world has access to. Brainwashing does work. Anybody who doubts it can take a look at the idiotic lefty posts in this thread. Or anything that Lakota, coyote or care4all post.

China has not been a communist country for years.

"China has transformed itself from a centrally plannedclosed economy in the 1970’s to a manufacturing and exporting hub over the years. The Chinese economy is propelled by an equal contribution from manufacturing and services (45 percent each, approximately) with a 10 percent contribution by the agricultural sector. The Chinese economy overtook the US economy in terms of GDP based on PPP. However, the difference between the economies in terms of nominal GDP remains large. China is currently a $10.35 trillion economy and has been growing at around seven percent in the recent years. (Related reading, see: Why China Is "The World's Factory.")"

Read more: The World s Top 10 Economies
Follow us: @Investopedia on Twitter

First you say China is socialist. Now you deny it. Make yp your tiny mind.
The truth is that countries succeed to the extent they adopt free market models. They fail to the extent they adopt socialist models. China was a failed state through the 1970s because of the socialist model. They became successful when they adopted the free market model.

There is a difference, you fucking moron, between a communist nation and a socialist one. There is a difference between communism, socialism and an economy with a mix of capitalism and socialism. There is no bright line. You think this country is socialist. By that measure, every successful nation in the world today is socialist. The reality is that such labels are for stupid people. Having social welfare programs does not make a nation socialist. Most of our GDP is from private economic activity.

tsk tsk tsk

left-wing nutjobs seem so angry these days!!!!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Socialism bailed out Capitalism in 1929 and has been doing the hard work ever since.

Have you ever considered going back for your GED?

Seriously,

 

[Uncensored2008]

There is a difference, you fucking moron, between a communist nation and a socialist one. There is a difference between communism, socialism and an economy with a mix of capitalism and socialism. There is no bright line. You think this country is socialist. By that measure, every successful nation in the world today is socialist. The reality is that such labels are for stupid people. Having social welfare programs does not make a nation socialist. Most of our GDP is from private economic activity.

Paddy, I've made no secret of my contempt for you - because you are quite stupid and mindlessly recite talking points from the hate sites.

Please explain what in your alleged mind, are the differentiating features between capitalism, socialism, and communism?

Have you ever heard of a 19th century book called "Capital?" Do you have any clue why it would be pertinent to this discussion?

 

[Skylar]

Regulation is not ownership.

Obama's fascist care isn't "regulation" or "oversight," it is direct control of the health care industry.

Obvious nonsense. Virtually every aspect of patient care is determined by the private healthcare provider. Simply destroying your 'direct control of the health care industry' nonsense. Obamacare barely regulates the actual care provided. Instead, it regulates the insurance that customers use to pay for said care. And provides subsidized private market place.

You've hysterically overstated the 'control' that Obamacare has on patient care decisions. Which is is virtually none. You've ignored the fact that all healthcare providers under Obamacare are private. And you've reimagined the meaning of 'socialism' to match your beliefs, rather than its actual meaning.

If your claims had actual merit, you wouldn't have had to do any of these things.

Regulation is the prohibition of potential tortuous behavior. Control is mandatory engagement of acts.

Your definition is more made up nonsense. Regulation includes mandatory engagement of acts as well. As reporting requirements or speed limits demonstrate. You don't know what you're talking about, and are literally making your claims up as you go along.

 

[Skylar]

Speed limits prohibit what is considered dangerous or anti-social behavior.

To be equivalent to Obamacare, the vehicle code would have to mandate that all drivers travel 31 miles at 26.3 MPH at least once per week or face penalties from the secret police (IRS)

Blithering nonsense. Obamcare mandates nothing more or less than everyone have health insurance. What you wish to buy, if its through work or the private marketplace, what level of care you wish to buy, is all up to you.

Obliterating your made up analogies yet again.

Regulation is not ownership. No matter how badly your failed argument needs it to be.

 

[Uncensored2008]

CON$ervatism and the WHOLE truth, ...oil and water.

That's hilarious coming from you, edtheliar. When have you even approached the same galaxy as "the truth?"

Like all professional liars, you left out the part that immediately after Dan Price changed the pay scale, his brother Lucas sued him, which is what caused the financial problems in the company.

Isn't a suit one of the expected outcomes for diverting commonly held resources? Price didn't fund his scheme with his salary as he promised, but instead diverted company funds. Under an LLC that gets you sued.

 

[The Rabbi]

The commie idiots in China, who are just a couple of generations ahead of the lefty leaders here, proclaim their commie masters' wisdom and thank their abusive leaders when people from the outside world risk their lives come into the country to provide routine medical care that the rest of the world has access to. Brainwashing does work. Anybody who doubts it can take a look at the idiotic lefty posts in this thread. Or anything that Lakota, coyote or care4all post.

China has not been a communist country for years.

"China has transformed itself from a centrally plannedclosed economy in the 1970’s to a manufacturing and exporting hub over the years. The Chinese economy is propelled by an equal contribution from manufacturing and services (45 percent each, approximately) with a 10 percent contribution by the agricultural sector. The Chinese economy overtook the US economy in terms of GDP based on PPP. However, the difference between the economies in terms of nominal GDP remains large. China is currently a $10.35 trillion economy and has been growing at around seven percent in the recent years. (Related reading, see: Why China Is "The World's Factory.")"

Read more: The World s Top 10 Economies
Follow us: @Investopedia on Twitter

First you say China is socialist. Now you deny it. Make yp your tiny mind.
The truth is that countries succeed to the extent they adopt free market models. They fail to the extent they adopt socialist models. China was a failed state through the 1970s because of the socialist model. They became successful when they adopted the free market model.

There is a difference, you fucking moron, between a communist nation and a socialist one. There is a difference between communism, socialism and an economy with a mix of capitalism and socialism. There is no bright line. You think this country is socialist. By that measure, every successful nation in the world today is socialist. The reality is that such labels are for stupid people. Having social welfare programs does not make a nation socialist. Most of our GDP is from private economic activity.

Effectively there is little difference. In all cases the state seeks to determine the outcome. In the free market the state does not seek to determine the outcome. That is the only effective difference here.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Socialism doesn't advocate the abolishment of all private property,"
Of course it does....but uses taxation and regulation until it is either strong enough to use confiscation or revolution.

Save that it doesn't. There are still private homes, private personal affects, private cars, private clothes, private gardens, etc under socialism. Private property isn't abolished. The means of production are merely owned collectively.

Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You're merely cutting and pasting arguments you don't understand. As you always do.

And still, the fact that private property exists under socialism utterly confounds you. Still, the fact that most democrats don't call for the abolishment of private property or the collective ownership of all means of production confounds you.

As you can't reconcile your silly fallacies with these even simpler facts.

BTW....here is Cole's article.....the one you suggested didn't exist.

Take notes: "Google Books"id=7mgNAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA571&lpg=PA571&dq=Encyclopedia+Britannica,+Prof.+G.+D.+H.+Cole+%22socialism%22&source=bl&ots=2BSRNwEk3a&sig=cCQdMd_2v1RFQpf_2sP0dK62BlA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAmoVChMIqam9mfyPxwIVSDI-Ch0UNw0l#v=onepage&q=Encyclopedia%20Britannica%2C%20Prof.%20G.%20D.%20H.%20Cole%20%22socialism%22&f=false

Your link doesn't connect to anything. Try again.

No, you try again....it worked on my computer.

The Encyclop dia Britannica A Dictionary of Arts Sciences Literature and ... - Google Books

And where is this statement on the link you just offered us?

The distinction between socialism as distinguished by various Labor and Socialist parties of Europe and the New World, and communism, as represented by the Russians and minority parties in other countries is one of tactics-and-strategy rather than one of objective.

Given that all you're good for is cutting and pasting....I'd assumed you were better at it than you're revealing yourself to be. As your link doesn't include your quote.

As I said, you're just repeating what you were told to think. And you don't even know why.

Is this your apology for suggesting the link didn't exist?

I suggested you couldn't show us Encyclopedia Britannica saying what you claimed it did. As you had no source.

And you still haven't.

Is this your apology for saying the link didn't work?

The link didn't work. You posted gibberish. You fixed your link in later post. And shocker, it didn't match your supposed quote.

Now how was I able to predict that?

Try this: file:///C:/Users/Angel/Downloads/The%20Twenty-Year%20Revolution%20from%20Roosevelt%20to%20Eisenhower_3.pdf

Um, 'Angel', that's a URL for your own computer's download folder.

Sigh.....you're not very good at this, are you?

"....to socialist movements. In an article on socialism in the Encyclopedia Britannica, Prof. G. D. H. Cole, a leading theoretician and historian of the British Labor Party, declares: "The distinction between socialism, as represented by the various Socialist and Labor parties of Europe and the New World, and communism, as represented by the Russians and the minority groups in other countries, is one of tactics.-and·-strategy rather than of;..-()bjective. Communism is indeed only socialism pursued by revolutionary means and making its revolutionary method a canon of faith...."

And for the 5th time, show us the Encyclopedia Britannica saying this.

And of course, your argument still fails on Socialism's acceptance of all sorts of private property. While communism abolishes it. And the fact that most democrats aren't calling for abolishment of private property or the collective ownership of all means of production.

Yet laughably, you equate the three. Sorry 'Angel', but you have no idea what you're talking about.

The Encyclopedia no longer put the entire project on line.
The Cole article on Socialism wasn't there....only the Capitalism was....

But I provided another link showing the exact quote.


Intuitively, everyone knows it is the truth about the correspondence of socialism and communism.

You tap dance in order to avoid admitting the truth.

And, in this thread alone, I showed you to lie in ...what...3
-4 instances.


And I'll do it every time.