Slut Or Not??

[Dragon]

That is true. But why contraceptives specifically? Is not food, potable water, shelter, necessary clothing, proper nutrition, etc. etc. etc. also essential for basic health care?

One could make that case, but it's not usual to consider those things as health care costs as we currently parse things around. To have a health-insurance policy cover food would be a tremendously radical change that would upset the entire balance of premiums to payouts. To have the policy cover contraceptives would not.

Look, this really comes down to two separate questions and those questions should not be confused.

1) Should health care costs (as conventionally defined) be covered collectively -- that is, through insurance, and/or an equivalent government program such as Medicare -- or should it be borne individually? (Note: paying one's own premiums does not qualify as "bearing the costs individually." Your premiums in that case are your personal contribution to the collective pool from which costs are paid.)

If not, then of course contraceptives shouldn't be covered by insurance because NO health care costs should be. But if so:

2) Should contraceptives be among the health-care costs that are covered collectively?

If you begin with the premise that health-care costs SHOULD be covered collectively, and then try to say that contraceptives shouldn't be, we may then reasonably ask: Why not?

The answer, all too often, amounts to "because contraceptives facilitate sexual behavior of which my religion disapproves." If one is honest, that is.

Actually, I can't think of any other reason at all.

EDIT: Except the even worse answer, "Because I'm a man and I don't want to pay for a woman's BC pills." But as you are not a man, I doubt that's your motivation.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Insurance will pay for hysterectomies and vasectomies why not contraception?

 

[Foxfyre]

That is true. But why contraceptives specifically? Is not food, potable water, shelter, necessary clothing, proper nutrition, etc. etc. etc. also essential for basic health care?

One could make that case, but it's not usual to consider those things as health care costs as we currently parse things around. To have a health-insurance policy cover food would be a tremendously radical change that would upset the entire balance of premiums to payouts. To have the policy cover contraceptives would not.

Look, this really comes down to two separate questions and those questions should not be confused.

1) Should health care costs (as conventionally defined) be covered collectively -- that is, through insurance, and/or an equivalent government program such as Medicare -- or should it be borne individually? (Note: paying one's own premiums does not qualify as "bearing the costs individually." Your premiums in that case are your personal contribution to the collective pool from which costs are paid.)

If not, then of course contraceptives shouldn't be covered by insurance because NO health care costs should be. But if so:

2) Should contraceptives be among the health-care costs that are covered collectively?

If you begin with the premise that health-care costs SHOULD be covered collectively, and then try to say that contraceptives shouldn't be, we may then reasonably ask: Why not?

The answer, all too often, amounts to "because contraceptives facilitate sexual behavior of which my religion disapproves." If one is honest, that is.

Actually, I can't think of any other reason at all.

EDIT: Except the even worse answer, "Because I'm a man and I don't want to pay for a woman's BC pills." But as you are not a man, I doubt that's your motivation.

But you see, I don't think healthcare costs should be shared collectiively EXCEPT when we CHOOSE to share in healthcare costs collectively. Yes, insurance companies have to spread the cost over a wide risk base in order to make a profit on insurance. The insurance company provides an important service to people who need it, but it gambles that the claims filed won't exceed the premiums collected and thereby allow the insurance company to make a profit. Otherwise there is absolutely no purpose in the insurance company offering coverage to anybody.

I need fire, wind, and hail insurance for instance. But I don't need earthquake or flood insurance. And because so many folks don't need flood or earthquake insurance, almost all Home Owner's insurance policies don't include it. That allow a very large number of Americans the ability to choose to buy a policy at a much lower cost than would be possible if insurance companies were required to include flood and earthquake coverage in a Homeowner's policy. And, I pay a much more modest premium for that insurance than do those who live in much more high value homes and the rates are also based on the experience factor for homes in our area. If that risk was spread equally across the land, a lot of folks would get a huge break and a lot of other folks would not be rewarded for their choices to assume less risk.

Nor am I required to buy an auto insurance policy that would replace a Cadillac or Lexus in case of loss but I negotiated a much lower premium for my much smaller, cheapter, Impreza Outback. And then when that car reached an age in which I thought the cost of collision and comprehesive insurance outweighed the risk, I was free to drop the insurance and take my chances. That's what freedom looks like.

Contraceptives are NOT a medical necessity for the vast number of people who can choose any number of other methods to avoid pregnancvy or STDS including abstinance and/or monogamy. It is an unreasonable requirement to include such in all medical insurance policies when necessities for our health, such as food, water, and shelter, are not included. It is foolish to include anything in any kind of insurance coverage that almost everybody can pay for out of pocket.

At the same time, any insurance company who wants to cover them should be absolutely free to do so. And people who would want to pay the additional premium for that should be absolutely free to buy it.

But the federal government should not be involved in it in any way, shape, or form other than in areas in which RICO or Anti Trust laws would apply. Leave it to the people to work it out with providers, and you'll see a far more efficient, effective, and affordable system as those providers are again required to compete for their customers.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Insurance pays for vasectomies and hysterectomies which are much more expensive birth control.

 

[MaryL]

Who’s a slut doesn’t matter. Rush is losing his sponsors. Freedom of speech or not, he stepped over the line with that level of hyperbole. His biggest foe is himself, not liberals. That big mouth of his alienated me long ago, that man has no integrity whatsoever.

 

[Unkotare]

Who’s a slut doesn’t matter. Rush is losing his sponsors. Freedom of speech or not, he stepped over the line with that level of hyperbole. His biggest foe is himself, not liberals. That big mouth of his alienated me long ago, that man has no integrity whatsoever.

And you feel even more strongly about Maher, right?

 

[MaryL]

Who’s a slut doesn’t matter. Rush is losing his sponsors. Freedom of speech or not, he stepped over the line with that level of hyperbole. His biggest foe is himself, not liberals. That big mouth of his alienated me long ago, that man has no integrity whatsoever.

And you feel even more strongly about Maher, right?

No. Not really. And what does that have to do with anything?

 

[Unkotare]

Who’s a slut doesn’t matter. Rush is losing his sponsors. Freedom of speech or not, he stepped over the line with that level of hyperbole. His biggest foe is himself, not liberals. That big mouth of his alienated me long ago, that man has no integrity whatsoever.

And you feel even more strongly about Maher, right?

No. Not really. And what does that have to do with anything?

Oh I see, you're a fucking hypocrite. I can disregard your views then. Thanks.

 

[daveman]

So then she DOES just want free shit paid for by other people.

An interesting hypothesis. I propose a way to test it: pay for her birth control pills yourself.

If that shuts her up, then it was all about her. If not, then maybe there's actually a principle or two involved here.

One of the left's default "solutions":

Make someone else pay for it.

Typical.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Who’s a slut doesn’t matter. Rush is losing his sponsors. Freedom of speech or not, he stepped over the line with that level of hyperbole. His biggest foe is himself, not liberals. That big mouth of his alienated me long ago, that man has no integrity whatsoever.

And you feel even more strongly about Maher, right?

Anything goes on HBO and that's the only one Maher has to answer to. He has no sponsors. Not only that HBO...anything goes. Two thirds of the movies or programs on there think the F word is a friendly greeting.

 

[daveman]

Insurance will pay for hysterectomies and vasectomies why not contraception?

You do know there is not just one single insurance plan, right?

 

[theliq]

You've been offering solid arguments, he has not. All he offered was a logical fallacy that should we not crack down on the harlots all girls will be sex slaves.



The Amsterdam article is interesting, and I'll do some research for other perspectives.

What a total idiot ...... The containment system in Perth, Australia has been a brilliant success...NOW I KNOW YOU ARE TALKING COMPLETE UNEDUCATED SHIT,moreover keep living in the dark ages.......Australia and Australians are just more progressive.......also legalization in the Netherlands too has been a great success.

Gee there are a few nutters on here.tl

As usual, you will completely ignore the mountain of facts that directly contradict your ignorant and hypocritical declarations.

Legal Prostitution in Australia a "Failure" | Change.org News

Human trafficking: Australia's sinister practice | Liberty Victoria

"In the Netherlands, Germany, and Australia, legalization has failed to protect the women in prostitution, control the enormous expansion of the sex industry, decrease child prostitution and trafficking from other countries, and prevent HIV/AIDS -- all arguments used for legalization. And it has transformed these countries into brothels."


HumanTrafficking.org | News & Updates: Debating Legalized Prostitution


Prostitution Research & Education Website


Sisyphe.org - The legalization of prostitution and its impact on trafficking in women and children

Well ya dickhead I was referring and only mentioned Western Australia other cities are different.

 

[theliq]

You've been offering solid arguments, he has not. All he offered was a logical fallacy that should we not crack down on the harlots all girls will be sex slaves.



The Amsterdam article is interesting, and I'll do some research for other perspectives.

What a total idiot ...... The containment system in Perth, Australia has been a brilliant success...NOW I KNOW YOU ARE TALKING COMPLETE UNEDUCATED SHIT,moreover keep living in the dark ages.......Australia and Australians are just more progressive.......also legalization in the Netherlands too has been a great success.

Gee there are a few nutters on here.tl

As usual, you will completely ignore the mountain of facts that directly contradict your ignorant and hypocritical declarations.

Legal Prostitution in Australia a "Failure" | Change.org News

Human trafficking: Australia's sinister practice | Liberty Victoria

"In the Netherlands, Germany, and Australia, legalization has failed to protect the women in prostitution, control the enormous expansion of the sex industry, decrease child prostitution and trafficking from other countries, and prevent HIV/AIDS -- all arguments used for legalization. And it has transformed these countries into brothels."


HumanTrafficking.org | News & Updates: Debating Legalized Prostitution


Prostitution Research & Education Website


Sisyphe.org - The legalization of prostitution and its impact on trafficking in women and children

Talking about Perth,and Western Australia......re-read

 

[theliq]

Who’s a slut doesn’t matter. Rush is losing his sponsors. Freedom of speech or not, he stepped over the line with that level of hyperbole. His biggest foe is himself, not liberals. That big mouth of his alienated me long ago, that man has no integrity whatsoever.

And you feel even more strongly about Maher, right?

and neither do those who advocate his views,integrity that is.

 

[Unkotare]

What a total idiot ...... The containment system in Perth, Australia has been a brilliant success...NOW I KNOW YOU ARE TALKING COMPLETE UNEDUCATED SHIT,moreover keep living in the dark ages.......Australia and Australians are just more progressive.......also legalization in the Netherlands too has been a great success.

Gee there are a few nutters on here.tl

As usual, you will completely ignore the mountain of facts that directly contradict your ignorant and hypocritical declarations.

Legal Prostitution in Australia a "Failure" | Change.org News

Human trafficking: Australia's sinister practice | Liberty Victoria

"In the Netherlands, Germany, and Australia, legalization has failed to protect the women in prostitution, control the enormous expansion of the sex industry, decrease child prostitution and trafficking from other countries, and prevent HIV/AIDS -- all arguments used for legalization. And it has transformed these countries into brothels."


HumanTrafficking.org | News & Updates: Debating Legalized Prostitution


Prostitution Research & Education Website


Sisyphe.org - The legalization of prostitution and its impact on trafficking in women and children

Well ya dickhead I was referring and only mentioned Western Australia other cities are different.

You never met a point you couldn't miss, did you?

 

[Unkotare]

Who’s a slut doesn’t matter. Rush is losing his sponsors. Freedom of speech or not, he stepped over the line with that level of hyperbole. His biggest foe is himself, not liberals. That big mouth of his alienated me long ago, that man has no integrity whatsoever.

And you feel even more strongly about Maher, right?

and neither do those who advocate his views,integrity that is.

Try again in English, asshole.

 

[Katzndogz]

What a total idiot ...... The containment system in Perth, Australia has been a brilliant success...NOW I KNOW YOU ARE TALKING COMPLETE UNEDUCATED SHIT,moreover keep living in the dark ages.......Australia and Australians are just more progressive.......also legalization in the Netherlands too has been a great success.

Gee there are a few nutters on here.tl

As usual, you will completely ignore the mountain of facts that directly contradict your ignorant and hypocritical declarations.

Legal Prostitution in Australia a "Failure" | Change.org News

Human trafficking: Australia's sinister practice | Liberty Victoria

"In the Netherlands, Germany, and Australia, legalization has failed to protect the women in prostitution, control the enormous expansion of the sex industry, decrease child prostitution and trafficking from other countries, and prevent HIV/AIDS -- all arguments used for legalization. And it has transformed these countries into brothels."


HumanTrafficking.org | News & Updates: Debating Legalized Prostitution


Prostitution Research & Education Website


Sisyphe.org - The legalization of prostitution and its impact on trafficking in women and children

Talking about Perth,and Western Australia......re-read

Ohhhhh, the whores in Perth are different from other parts of Australia. They are special. No they aren't.

Will new laws force prostitution underground? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Western Australia to legalise prostitution | Latest Business & Australian Stock market News | Perth Now
Prostitution to be banned from suburbs under tough new laws

 

[theliq]

As usual, you will completely ignore the mountain of facts that directly contradict your ignorant and hypocritical declarations.

Legal Prostitution in Australia a "Failure" | Change.org News

Human trafficking: Australia's sinister practice | Liberty Victoria

"In the Netherlands, Germany, and Australia, legalization has failed to protect the women in prostitution, control the enormous expansion of the sex industry, decrease child prostitution and trafficking from other countries, and prevent HIV/AIDS -- all arguments used for legalization. And it has transformed these countries into brothels."


HumanTrafficking.org | News & Updates: Debating Legalized Prostitution


Prostitution Research & Education Website


Sisyphe.org - The legalization of prostitution and its impact on trafficking in women and children

Talking about Perth,and Western Australia......re-read

Ohhhhh, the whores in Perth are different from other parts of Australia. They are special. No they aren't.

Will new laws force prostitution underground? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Western Australia to legalise prostitution | Latest Business & Australian Stock market News | Perth Now
Prostitution to be banned from suburbs under tough new laws

Sorry but you are out of touch,so sit down take your medicine and I will begin......Wheew this is hard work........as reiterated several times to you and your possee of foul mouth abusive and degrading larri

 

[Dragon]

So then she DOES just want free shit paid for by other people.

An interesting hypothesis. I propose a way to test it: pay for her birth control pills yourself.

If that shuts her up, then it was all about her. If not, then maybe there's actually a principle or two involved here.

One of the left's default "solutions":

Make someone else pay for it.

Typical.

LOL you're not that familiar with scientific method, are you?

The idea is only to conduct an experiment. After getting the answer, you can stop paying. Come on, isn't it worth fifty bucks or so to find out whether you're right that she has no principles and is just in it to get something free for yourself? Or do you even care whether you're right or not?

 

[Katzndogz]

Talking about Perth,and Western Australia......re-read

Ohhhhh, the whores in Perth are different from other parts of Australia. They are special. No they aren't.

Will new laws force prostitution underground? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Western Australia to legalise prostitution | Latest Business & Australian Stock market News | Perth Now
Prostitution to be banned from suburbs under tough new laws

Sorry but you are out of touch,so sit down take your medicine and I will begin......Wheew this is hard work........as reiterated several times to you and your possee of foul mouth abusive and degrading larri

If I'm so wrong, why can't you prove it? The facts just cannot be refuted. Legalizing prostitution does not help the very people it purports to help. The consensus is that with legalized prostitution, about 10% of whores operate legally. If it is worth it to you to have 10% of whores operating legally, then it's a good idea to make it legal. Otherwise, it's pointless because 90% of whores will still be operating illegally.

The difference is, liberals can go around patting themselves on the back about how helpful they have been to the downtrodden without actually doing anything about their plight.

After all, isn't that exactly the way it worked for the porn industry in Los Angeles? Not really, there isn't 10% of the porn industry that chose to operate legally.