Single-payer HC plan IS the answer......

[Mindful]

Now that even the slow-witted Trump has admitted that "who knew that health care reform would be so hard"........it is time for democrats to use the single-payer option as the benchmark of what we must enact have a BETTER and CHEAPER health care insurance plan to cover EVERYBODY (remember that it was Trump who listed those 3 factors that I've place in caps as the reason for voting for him.)

The rest of the civilized planet has long adopted the single-payer system.....and the option has proven cheaper with other countries' citizens having longer lives and less morbidity.

Who would LOSE under such a single payer system???
Insurance companies' CEOs and their board members.

Who would WIN under such a single payer system???
ALL of us.....

Single payer would be fine only if its 100% voluntary, an "opt in"...
no one should be forced into the cancer that is socialism.

One should bear in mind, in the UK it's mandatory. Automatically deducted from your salary when you get a job, so there's no choice. Even if you go down the private health insurance route, you still pay your contributions. No opting out.

And its like that because that is what people want. Nobody is ever going to get elected on an abolish the NHS platform.

Who said they would?

 

[Mindful]

One should bear in mind, in the UK it's mandatory. Automatically deducted from your salary when you get a job, so there's no choice. Even if you go down the private health insurance route, you still pay your contributions. No opting out.

And its like that because that is what people want.

Not all people. If that were the case, there be no need for it to be "mandatory".

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?

Why would you want an opt out?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

One should bear in mind, in the UK it's mandatory. Automatically deducted from your salary when you get a job, so there's no choice. Even if you go down the private health insurance route, you still pay your contributions. No opting out.

And its like that because that is what people want.

Not all people. If that were the case, there be no need for it to be "mandatory".

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?

Why would you want an opt out?

I dont like paying for bombs. Why would you want an opt out from the NHS ?

 

[Mindful]

One should bear in mind, in the UK it's mandatory. Automatically deducted from your salary when you get a job, so there's no choice. Even if you go down the private health insurance route, you still pay your contributions. No opting out.

And its like that because that is what people want.

Not all people. If that were the case, there be no need for it to be "mandatory".

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?

Why would you want an opt out?

I dont like paying for bombs. Why would you want an opt out from the NHS ?

Don't you start!

I didn't say I wanted to opt out.

And as I don't live in the country, your question is irrelevant.

 

[Markle]

And its like that because that is what people want

Simply because it is all they have ever known. NHS is a horrible system with inhumane waiting lists leading to the deaths of many and poor care and their well known death panels.

 

[Markle]

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?

Why do you wish to be under the control of Russia or China?

 

[Mindful]

Depending which way you look at it:

How the NHS was Founded – the Fight Against Private Medicine

The Real History of the NHS

 

[Mindful]

Interesting reading.

**There’s plenty of reason for free marketers to be skeptical of proposals, like the ones emanating from Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders and hinted at by Republican Donald Trump, that would create a single-payer healthcare coverage system in the United States.

But, if only because these proposals have resonance with the public, they’re certainly worth debating. A rational debate depends on getting the facts straight and there’s one fact that both left and right often get wrong: “single payer” healthcare of the sort Bernie Sanders proposes isn’t universal in the developed world and the US system isn’t particularly free-market by the standards of peer nations.**

No, the Rest of the World Doesn't Use "Single Payer" | Eli Lehrer

 

[Redfish]

the VA is single payer. Need I say more?

Of course you needn't say more bullshit......

First of all, the VA health system is NOT a single payer system...

Second, before you judge the VA.....READ and LEARN.....

3 Things To Know Before You Judge VA Health System

of course it is. the payer is the US government. No one else pays the VA. Do you understand what the words "single payer" mean, gnat?

Single-payer health care: A system of health care characterized by universal and comprehensive coverage. Single-payer health care is similar to the health services provided by Medicare in the US. The government pays for care that is delivered in the private (mostly not-for-profit) sector. Doctors are in private practice and are paid on a fee-for-service basis from government funds. The government does not own or manage their medical practices or hospitals.

Single-payer health care is distinct and different from socialized medicine in which health care facilities and workers receive payment as government employees.

wake up and smell reality, your definition of single payer will morph into socialized medicine very quickly. Give the government a taste of power and control and it will take more and more of it.

BTW, medicare by itself if not the wonderful program you claim it to be. under medicare alone you will be responsible for at least 20% of your medical bills. If you buy a supplement or a medicare advantage plan, more will be covered, but you are paying for that extra coverage.

 

[Johnbull92]

The problem with democrats and republicans alike is that they have limited ideas to fix healthcare in America. Republicans want Obamacare gone out of sheer hatred for it and to give the rich tax cuts. Democrats have no good ideas to fix it and some of them are pushing for single payer.

I read new book titled "On the principles of social gravity" by Tobore Tobore and i really recommend it for everyone. This book argues that all human systems are governed by nine rules. The author examined healthcare in chapter two and using those rules came up with the most interesting ideas i have read on healthcare. I am not sure why that book is not famous yet. Perhaps its because it was just released.

We need new ways of thinking to provide accessible and affordable healthcare for all Americans

 

[dblack]

One should bear in mind, in the UK it's mandatory. Automatically deducted from your salary when you get a job, so there's no choice. Even if you go down the private health insurance route, you still pay your contributions. No opting out.

And its like that because that is what people want.

Not all people. If that were the case, there be no need for it to be "mandatory".

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?

Why would you want an opt out?

I dont like paying for bombs. Why would you want an opt out from the NHS ?

Because I don't want Donald Trump calling the shots on my health care.

 

[Markle]

And its like that because that is what people want.

Not all people. If that were the case, there be no need for it to be "mandatory".

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?

Why would you want an opt out?

I dont like paying for bombs. Why would you want an opt out from the NHS ?

Because I don't want Donald Trump calling the shots on my health care.

That's good because he doesn't either.

 

[dblack]

Not all people. If that were the case, there be no need for it to be "mandatory".

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?

Why would you want an opt out?

I dont like paying for bombs. Why would you want an opt out from the NHS ?

Because I don't want Donald Trump calling the shots on my health care.

That's good because he doesn't either.

If we put government in charge of health care via single-payer, the Donald Trump's of this world will be controlling it.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Now that even the slow-witted Trump has admitted that "who knew that health care reform would be so hard"........it is time for democrats to use the single-payer option as the benchmark of what we must enact have a BETTER and CHEAPER health care insurance plan to cover EVERYBODY (remember that it was Trump who listed those 3 factors that I've place in caps as the reason for voting for him.)

The rest of the civilized planet has long adopted the single-payer system.....and the option has proven cheaper with other countries' citizens having longer lives and less morbidity.

Who would LOSE under such a single payer system???
Insurance companies' CEOs and their board members.

Who would WIN under such a single payer system???
ALL of us.....

Pure crap.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?

Why would you want an opt out?

I dont like paying for bombs. Why would you want an opt out from the NHS ?

Because I don't want Donald Trump calling the shots on my health care.

That's good because he doesn't either.

If we put government in charge of health care via single-payer, the Donald Trump's of this world will be controlling it.

Oh, the left wants that so bad.

They secretly love Trumpster.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?

Why would you want an opt out?

I dont like paying for bombs. Why would you want an opt out from the NHS ?

Because I don't want Donald Trump calling the shots on my health care.

That's good because he doesn't either.

If we put government in charge of health care via single-payer, the Donald Trump's of this world will be controlling it.

I would suggest that with all the current wrangling going on that is now the case anyway.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And its like that because that is what people want.

Not all people. If that were the case, there be no need for it to be "mandatory".

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?

Why would you want an opt out?

I dont like paying for bombs. Why would you want an opt out from the NHS ?

Because I don't want Donald Trump calling the shots on my health care.

The funny thing is that people like Donald Trump are the people who own insurance companies who are calling the shots on your healthcare.

Instead of having lots of Congressmen who you get to vote for, you end up with an insurance dude, anonymous.

Not only that the US federal govt spends MORE per capita on healthcare than the UK govt which has single pay, and that gets you NOTHING.

Not only that, in the UK you get the healthcare you pay for, with insurance companies they're like "you're getting older, you have to pay more" or "You have a preexisting condition, we don't like you, fuck off" or "You're too old, we won't bother with you any more".

Yes, you can wake up one day, after paying in loads for healthcare, and get NOTHING. Doesn't happen in the UK.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Not all people. If that were the case, there be no need for it to be "mandatory".

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?

Why would you want an opt out?

I dont like paying for bombs. Why would you want an opt out from the NHS ?

Because I don't want Donald Trump calling the shots on my health care.

The funny thing is that people like Donald Trump are the people who own insurance companies who are calling the shots on your healthcare.

Instead of having lots of Congressmen who you get to vote for, you end up with an insurance dude, anonymous.

Not only that the US federal govt spends MORE per capita on healthcare than the UK govt which has single pay, and that gets you NOTHING.

Not only that, in the UK you get the healthcare you pay for, with insurance companies they're like "you're getting older, you have to pay more" or "You have a preexisting condition, we don't like you, fuck off" or "You're too old, we won't bother with you any more".

Yes, you can wake up one day, after paying in loads for healthcare, and get NOTHING. Doesn't happen in the UK.

SIckness should not lead to bankruptcy.

As a wider issue society should care for its sick.There is a mutual benefit.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?

Why would you want an opt out?

I dont like paying for bombs. Why would you want an opt out from the NHS ?

Because I don't want Donald Trump calling the shots on my health care.

The funny thing is that people like Donald Trump are the people who own insurance companies who are calling the shots on your healthcare.

Instead of having lots of Congressmen who you get to vote for, you end up with an insurance dude, anonymous.

Not only that the US federal govt spends MORE per capita on healthcare than the UK govt which has single pay, and that gets you NOTHING.

Not only that, in the UK you get the healthcare you pay for, with insurance companies they're like "you're getting older, you have to pay more" or "You have a preexisting condition, we don't like you, fuck off" or "You're too old, we won't bother with you any more".

Yes, you can wake up one day, after paying in loads for healthcare, and get NOTHING. Doesn't happen in the UK.

SIckness should not lead to bankruptcy.

As a wider issue society should care for its sick.There is a mutual benefit.

No, and it happens.

The problem is that if you have car insurance, then you can choose whether you want a car, and can choose what kind of car, and if you can't afford the insurance, you don't get a car.

But you can't chose your body.

 

[dblack]

Because I don't want Donald Trump calling the shots on my health care.

The funny thing is that people like Donald Trump are the people who own insurance companies who are calling the shots on your healthcare.

The not so funny thing is, government can have you arrested or killed if you don't do what they say. A private company has no such power. If you don't like what they're selling, you can tell them fuck off.

This is something socialists can't bear to acknowledge, but it's the naked truth.