Single-payer HC plan IS the answer......

[Hutch Starskey]

Maybe you should learn what it is rather than share what you think it is.

You miss my point... so far as I'm concerned the Government has no legitimate place in the health care industry. Therefore I will not participate in any medical care system thst the Government is a party to. Regardless of how good or bad the system may be.

IOW you'd die for your ignorant ideas?

 

[Anathema]

Tips hat...
A quick and quiet death for ya, then.

Quick, yes. Not so sure 230 grains of .45 ACP+P JHP going through my head would be considered "quiet".

 

[Anathema]

IOW you'd die for your ignorant ideas?

I will happily kill and die for the Morals and Ideals which I believe in. That's a far better life and death thsn having no proper morals or ideals to live by.

 

[Redfish]

of course it is. the payer is the US government. No one else pays the VA. Do you understand what the words "single payer" mean, gnat?

Mr. Tuna, you are an idiot......

Veterans HAVE already paid for the health care through sacrificing their limbs and often, their minds through their military service.

So, yes, the VA health care is strictly the responsibility of our government to spend the tax dollars to take care of them.

sure, our vets have "paid" with their service. But in the context of single payer (as all intelligent humans understand the meaning of those words) it means that the only (single) payer of money for vets medical care is the government.

your attempt at convoluted logic just confirms my nickname for you------------gnat.

IOW it hurts my head so shut up.

Single payer = the government pays your doctor, hospital, pharmacy, wheel chair maker, catheter maker, etc. The government has only one source or income from which to make these payments---------US, the taxpayers.

I understand why you who pay no taxes think free stuff is wonderful. But if you ever accomplish anything in life and actually have an income, you will think differently when the government takes half of what you earn before you even see it.

 

[Redfish]

In what way is single payer a "hand out"?

Do you have to do anything other thsn show up with valid citizenship to get it?... Nope.

That makes it either a Right or a handout. Since we all know the US Constitution never indicates and Right to healthcare and a basic history lesson shows thst healthcare was never considered a Right until very recently... It must be a handout.

You have to pay for it, fool. Who ever said it was free?

its what you libs assume--------------that it will be free for you because you don't work and pay no taxes. You assholes assume that only the evil rich will have to pay. But you assume that because you are too stupid to understand how it really works in places like Sweden. Everyone pays--------------there is no minimum income for paying taxes, and the taxes are around 65% of your gross income. Socialism does not work, never has, never will.

its what you libs assume

No, it's what you assume, retard.

then tell us what single payer means to you. anxiously awaiting.

 

[eflatminor]

Single payer = indentured servitude for those that work in the healthcare industry.

The left truly are an immoral people.

Plus there's the legality of the idea: There isn't a thing in the enumerated powers of the Constitution that grants the federal government the power to run healthcare. You'll need an amendment. Good luck with that.

So if you do get your amendment, can we all look forward to VA-like care?

Monumentally stupid idea.

Single payer = indentured servitude for those that work in the healthcare industry.

How so?

The only difference is who pays.

If you're a healthcare worker, you should be free to work for a wage or a fee you believe is adequate for the labor you're provide, just like any industry.

But with single payer, you all of a sudden have the right to demand that my sister, who is a nurse, care for you.

Using government-backed compulsion to force someone to labor on another's behalf....perhaps you're right, that's not indentured servitude, that's slavery.

And WHO pays is also a moral issue. Forcing me to fund your scheme is simple theft. You should have no more a right to take my money because you're sick anymore than I should be able to rob the grocery store because I'm hungry.

How do you reach that conclusion?
Do you know what single payer even means?

Of course I know what it means. If you disagree, it's your burden to counter my points.

 

[eflatminor]

You're, not your

You were saying something about dumb???

yes, my mistake.......I guess then that your argument "wins"...and my argument based on a spelling error "loses".......Correct?

No, my argument wins AND you got called out.

Deal.

 

[dblack]

Is the question, 'How most quickly to get the federal deficit to 20 Trillion?'

More importantly, is "How to bring 1/4 of our economy under Congressional control?"

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I find your healthcare systems beyond surreal. You will get a proper system one day. One that looks after everybody.

 

[Markle]

• Single-payer would reduce costs by 24%, saving $829 billion in the first year by cutting administrative waste and allowing negotiation of prescription drugs (Friedman, 2013); and

• Single-payer would create savings for 95% of the population. Only the top 5% would pay slightly more.

Total lie.

EVEN the far left Progressive state of California has looked seriously into Single Payer for their state and came to the conclusion it would DOUBLE their yearly spending. Totally out of any sort of affordable plan imaginable.

Petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama LIED to us repeatedly about the cost of Obamacare, telling us that each household would save $2,500 a year in health insurance, keep our doctor and our insurance plan if we liked the one we had.

You lied to us once and even your illustrious leader of the Democrats, Nancy Pelosi told us to TRUST THEM, we had to pass the plan in order to find out what was in it. Now we know and it is and it is like a bad illness we can't get rid of.

 

[Markle]

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! HEALTH IS A HUMAN RIGHT!

But not a Constitutional right.

 

[Markle]

the VA is single payer. Need I say more?

Of course you needn't say more bullshit......

First of all, the VA health system is NOT a single payer system...

Second, before you judge the VA.....READ and LEARN.....

3 Things To Know Before You Judge VA Health System

of course it is. the payer is the US government. No one else pays the VA. Do you understand what the words "single payer" mean, gnat?

Single-payer health care: A system of health care characterized by universal and comprehensive coverage. Single-payer health care is similar to the health services provided by Medicare in the US. The government pays for care that is delivered in the private (mostly not-for-profit) sector. Doctors are in private practice and are paid on a fee-for-service basis from government funds. The government does not own or manage their medical practices or hospitals.

Single-payer health care is distinct and different from socialized medicine in which health care facilities and workers receive payment as government employees.

 

[Markle]

Sure.....Let the ACA fail.......and with your fucked up elected ilk with their fingers up their asses.....and in COMPLETE control of government....they'll be "forgiven"....
Lets see what happens when...as you say......320 million Americans are without insurance.....
That should be interesting, don't you think, moron????....LOL

 

[Mindful]

Now that even the slow-witted Trump has admitted that "who knew that health care reform would be so hard"........it is time for democrats to use the single-payer option as the benchmark of what we must enact have a BETTER and CHEAPER health care insurance plan to cover EVERYBODY (remember that it was Trump who listed those 3 factors that I've place in caps as the reason for voting for him.)

The rest of the civilized planet has long adopted the single-payer system.....and the option has proven cheaper with other countries' citizens having longer lives and less morbidity.

Who would LOSE under such a single payer system???
Insurance companies' CEOs and their board members.

Who would WIN under such a single payer system???
ALL of us.....

Single payer would be fine only if its 100% voluntary, an "opt in"...
no one should be forced into the cancer that is socialism.

One should bear in mind, in the UK it's mandatory. Automatically deducted from your salary when you get a job, so there's no choice. Even if you go down the private health insurance route, you still pay your contributions. No opting out.

 

[Mindful]

I thought Germany was a single payer system. Seems it's not.

German health care is not single payer

 

[Rustic]

Now that even the slow-witted Trump has admitted that "who knew that health care reform would be so hard"........it is time for democrats to use the single-payer option as the benchmark of what we must enact have a BETTER and CHEAPER health care insurance plan to cover EVERYBODY (remember that it was Trump who listed those 3 factors that I've place in caps as the reason for voting for him.)

The rest of the civilized planet has long adopted the single-payer system.....and the option has proven cheaper with other countries' citizens having longer lives and less morbidity.

Who would LOSE under such a single payer system???
Insurance companies' CEOs and their board members.

Who would WIN under such a single payer system???
ALL of us.....

Single payer would be fine only if its 100% voluntary, an "opt in"...
no one should be forced into the cancer that is socialism.

One should bear in mind, in the UK it's mandatory. Automatically deducted from your salary when you get a job, so there's no choice. Even if you go down the private health insurance route, you still pay your contributions. No opting out.

Thats why socialism sucks...

 

[dblack]

Now that even the slow-witted Trump has admitted that "who knew that health care reform would be so hard"........it is time for democrats to use the single-payer option as the benchmark of what we must enact have a BETTER and CHEAPER health care insurance plan to cover EVERYBODY (remember that it was Trump who listed those 3 factors that I've place in caps as the reason for voting for him.)

The rest of the civilized planet has long adopted the single-payer system.....and the option has proven cheaper with other countries' citizens having longer lives and less morbidity.

Who would LOSE under such a single payer system???
Insurance companies' CEOs and their board members.

Who would WIN under such a single payer system???
ALL of us.....

Single payer would be fine only if its 100% voluntary, an "opt in"...
no one should be forced into the cancer that is socialism.

One should bear in mind, in the UK it's mandatory. Automatically deducted from your salary when you get a job, so there's no choice. Even if you go down the private health insurance route, you still pay your contributions. No opting out.

That's the nature of government. The reason laws exist is to enforce conformity. If participation in, and paying for, a government program is voluntary, there's no reason for it to be a law in the first place.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Now that even the slow-witted Trump has admitted that "who knew that health care reform would be so hard"........it is time for democrats to use the single-payer option as the benchmark of what we must enact have a BETTER and CHEAPER health care insurance plan to cover EVERYBODY (remember that it was Trump who listed those 3 factors that I've place in caps as the reason for voting for him.)

The rest of the civilized planet has long adopted the single-payer system.....and the option has proven cheaper with other countries' citizens having longer lives and less morbidity.

Who would LOSE under such a single payer system???
Insurance companies' CEOs and their board members.

Who would WIN under such a single payer system???
ALL of us.....

Single payer would be fine only if its 100% voluntary, an "opt in"...
no one should be forced into the cancer that is socialism.

One should bear in mind, in the UK it's mandatory. Automatically deducted from your salary when you get a job, so there's no choice. Even if you go down the private health insurance route, you still pay your contributions. No opting out.

And its like that because that is what people want. Nobody is ever going to get elected on an abolish the NHS platform.

 

[dblack]

One should bear in mind, in the UK it's mandatory. Automatically deducted from your salary when you get a job, so there's no choice. Even if you go down the private health insurance route, you still pay your contributions. No opting out.

And its like that because that is what people want.

Not all people. If that were the case, there be no need for it to be "mandatory".

 

[Tommy Tainant]

One should bear in mind, in the UK it's mandatory. Automatically deducted from your salary when you get a job, so there's no choice. Even if you go down the private health insurance route, you still pay your contributions. No opting out.

And its like that because that is what people want.

Not all people. If that were the case, there be no need for it to be "mandatory".

Which taxes are optional ? My tax money goes towards the NHS which I am happy about. They also go to build nulear bombs which I am not happy about. Where is my trident opt out ?