Simple Question: Is Romney a RINO?

[asaratis]

Romney is not a conservative. Neither is Rick Santorum. I don't know which one of them flips the most. Bear in mind...they're just trying to get elected. To learn how they will perform if elected, please study their history. Santorum is off my list.

Ron Paul has conservatism down pat. He just cannot beat Obama. Paul is off my list.

Newt Gingrich is the most intelligent of the four.

That leaves Newt and Mitt. Of those two, I think both could beat Obama...but since Mitt is no conservative, I think I'll be voting for Newt in the primary.

Whoever gets the Republican nomination will get my vote...even if we end up with a write-in candidate that came from nowhere, was a community organizer throughout adulthood, was born in another country but has a reasonable looking birth certificate, speaks highly of communists, knows nothing of Washington, nothing of foreign affairs and nothing of being a professional politician. In other words, I would vote for ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!

 

[candycorn]

If he is, why would you vote for him if you're a Republican?

Did you type that with a straight face? He is the very embodiment of the social Darwinism of the right. He personifies the "greed is good" catechism that was put on steroids during Reagan's time in office, and is the very TRUEST standard bearer of Reagan's legacy.

Granted, he has a habit of being a bit more abrupt, or forthright about his "screw them" attitude, as his disconnect from ordinary Americans is way more loud and proud than it was back in the day, but the overall intent is totally on target.

You all can rest assured that you, too will be fucked over in a Romney administration the same way Reagan fucked you or your parents.

Hey Barb,

I have to get back to work. I'll look at your post later.

 

[Meister]

If he is, why would you vote for him if you're a Republican?

I'm not a republican....but "Anybody but Obama".

That's a very old school. but at least you and Willow are honest.

It may be old school....but it is honest and very sincere. In my opinion, Obama is a dangerous man with his ideology.

 

[asaratis]

I'm not a republican....but "Anybody but Obama".

That's a very old school. but at least you and Willow are honest.

It may be old school....but it is honest and very sincere. In my opinion, Obama is a dangerous man with his ideology.

If Obama gets a second chance, we are fucking DOOMED! We have today a President who throughout his entire life has expressed hatred for the American way of life. His current goal is to destroy capitalism and have us join the ranks of the European socialists.

Obama is a Marxist.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

[California Girl]

Romney is not a conservative. Neither is Rick Santorum. I don't know which one of them flips the most. Bear in mind...they're just trying to get elected. To learn how they will perform if elected, please study their history. Santorum is off my list.

Ron Paul has conservatism down pat. He just cannot beat Obama. Paul is off my list.

Newt Gingrich is the most intelligent of the four.

That leaves Newt and Mitt. Of those two, I think both could beat Obama...but since Mitt is no conservative, I think I'll be voting for Newt in the primary.

Whoever gets the Republican nomination will get my vote...even if we end up with a write-in candidate that came from nowhere, was a community organizer throughout adulthood, was born in another country but has a reasonable looking birth certificate, speaks highly of communists, knows nothing of Washington, nothing of foreign affairs and nothing of being a professional politician. In other words, I would vote for ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!

So you're going with the line that Gingrich is a conservative? With a straight face?

Why not vote for the one you think will make the better President.... that's Romney, hands down.

 

[California Girl]

Romney's biggest failing is RomneyCare. Entrenching reliability on the government for all your cares and concerns.

He may have SAID this and that about abortion. He may have SAID this or that about taxes. But what he DID about health care "reform" damns him forever.

There is a massive difference between a state program and a federal one. Fairly straightforward logic.

 

[Syphon]

Romney's biggest failing is RomneyCare. Entrenching reliability on the government for all your cares and concerns.

He may have SAID this and that about abortion. He may have SAID this or that about taxes. But what he DID about health care "reform" damns him forever.

There is a massive difference between a state program and a federal one. Fairly straightforward logic.

In 1974 Hawaii became the first state to require all employers to provide health insurance to their full-time workers. It now has the overall best health system among any state, according to the Fund.

doesnt this defy the logic that a government mandate can not have a net positive affect on health care?
But then there's West Virginia, where more than 24% of adults under age 65 don't have health insurance. In that state, employer-based insurance premiums account for nearly 20% of a person's paycheck, and nearly 20% of those surveyed in the state have said they couldn't see a doctor because it was too expensive to do so. The state ranks 44th out of 51 (including Washington, D.C.) in terms of overall health care, the Fund says.
The Best And Worst States For Health Care - Forbes.com

Overall, the Commonwealth Fund rates Hawaii, Iowa, New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine as the best, while Oklahoma, Mississippi, Texas, Arkansas and Nevada as the worst.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Republican Party has been overrun by retards, psychos, and power-hungry megolamaniacs with no morals.

They would call Ronald Reagan a RINO if he were around.

It is they who are not real Republicans.

The three major GOP candidates have all submitted budget plans that would grow the national debt by many more trillions.

That is a bullshit lie.

Santorum and Pauls budgets would not grow the debt as they both plan to cut a trillion USD from it each year they are in office.

Why do people like you just make shit up and expect everyone to believe it? Or are you just hoping some people are stupid enough to believe your bullshit?

 

[JimBowie1958]

No, he is a practical conservative... one that recognizes the need to work with the 'other side' to achieve what needs to be done.

Yeah, if working with the other side meant working FOR the other side I would agree with you. But it dont so I dont.

Signing more gun restrictions into law, promoting gay marriage through inaction and back room dealing, raising taxes, and putting the most pro-abortion libtards on the states court system is NOT conservative of any kind.

And the guy will lose in November because the ONLY advantage he has is the mountains of money his owners are dumping into the campaign.

Against Obama that shit wont fly as they will have just as much money if not lots more.

 

[Immanuel]

The Republican Party has been overrun by retards, psychos, and power-hungry megolamaniacs with no morals.

They would call Ronald Reagan a RINO if he were around.

It is they who are not real Republicans.

The three major GOP candidates have all submitted budget plans that would grow the national debt by many more trillions.

That is a bullshit lie.

Santorum and Pauls budgets would not grow the debt as they both plan to cut a trillion USD from it each year they are in office.

Why do people like you just make shit up and expect everyone to believe it? Or are you just hoping some people are stupid enough to believe your bullshit?

I have to admit that my response to these statements from both Santorum and Paul is really quite simple. Basically it goes like this... what you say on the campaign trail will more than likely not resemble what you do in office. Why should I believe either one of them?

Immie

 

[Peach]

I see libtards spend a lot of time here defining what a 'real' Republican or a 'real' conservative is.


LOL

It is easier for many, not all, conservatives, anybody to left of Mussolini is a SOCIALIST.

 

[BluePhantom]

Well I guess it depends on how you look at it. Understanding the difference between a "Republican" and a "conservative" is an important element. Republicans, like myself, tend to be far less black and white in our views than our conservative friends. We are a little more willing to compromise, especially on social issues, and are not quite as "militant" as the conservatives are. When viewed at that way, no Romney is not a RINO, he's just a Republican.

When you lump the "Republicans" and the "conservatives" into the same group under the Republican label, then he could certainly appear to be a RINO because he's not a great fit for the conservative segment of the party and they are the ones who generally get the press. So what I am getting at is that the perception in American society of what it means to be a "Republican" has become distorted by overwhelming media focus on the conservative branch of the party which in reality is the minority (albeit a growing segment) of the party.

I would say that the current trend is a bit concerning for Republicans because it threatens a party split. Moderates, again like myself, receive some pretty harsh treatment by the conservative branch (until they need our votes and then they welcome us into their bosom with open arms) and more frequently you are seeing those moderates and mainstream Republicans saying "fuck it, my party has left me" and becoming Independents. The same thing has happened with the Democrats BTW.

So I guess the short answer to the question is: he's a RINO if you are a conservative otherwise he is not.

Why vote for him? For mainstream Republicans it's pretty easy. We generally agree with his positions. For conservatives...well they agree with his positions more than they agree with Obama's. They may not be thrilled about it, but it's better than the alternative.

 

[candycorn]

Well I guess it depends on how you look at it. Understanding the difference between a "Republican" and a "conservative" is an important element. Republicans, like myself, tend to be far less black and white in our views than our conservative friends. We are a little more willing to compromise, especially on social issues, and are not quite as "militant" as the conservatives are. When viewed at that way, no Romney is not a RINO, he's just a Republican.

When you lump the "Republicans" and the "conservatives" into the same group under the Republican label, then he could certainly appear to be a RINO because he's not a great fit for the conservative segment of the party and they are the ones who generally get the press. So what I am getting at is that the perception in American society of what it means to be a "Republican" has become distorted by overwhelming media focus on the conservative branch of the party which in reality is the minority (albeit a growing segment) of the party.

I would say that the current trend is a bit concerning for Republicans because it threatens a party split. Moderates, again like myself, receive some pretty harsh treatment by the conservative branch (until they need our votes and then they welcome us into their bosom with open arms) and more frequently you are seeing those moderates and mainstream Republicans saying "fuck it, my party has left me" and becoming Independents. The same thing has happened with the Democrats BTW.

So I guess the short answer to the question is: he's a RINO if you are a conservative otherwise he is not.

Why vote for him? For mainstream Republicans it's pretty easy. We generally agree with his positions. For conservatives...well they agree with his positions more than they agree with Obama's. They may not be thrilled about it, but it's better than the alternative.

I understand and accept the "lesser of two evils" argument. What I'm really more interested in is this: If he is a RINO or, more correctly, if you see him as a RINO, that speaks to deception and betrayal. He's urging you to fight for him but he isn't in the foxhole with you. It seems as though there would be a backlash.

For example, we have a new university that sat up shop here where I live. The reason I'm aware of them is because they say that they focus on placing you in the medical fields. So now where I work; our hospitals are getting bombarded with applicants who graduated from this university. Some had no clinical experience whatsoever; all they ever received was theory from an on-line course believe it or not. We're rejecting almost all of these applicants who were, by the college, guaranteed job placement assistance. Apparently the assistance is tantamount to them telling their graduates that we are hiring. Had they not made this promise, the graduates shouldn't expect it. If you view Romney as not being on the level; why in the world would you vote for him? Wouldn't you prefer someone who is, at least, not a phony in your eyes?

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Republican Party has been overrun by retards, psychos, and power-hungry megolamaniacs with no morals.

They would call Ronald Reagan a RINO if he were around.

It is they who are not real Republicans.

The three major GOP candidates have all submitted budget plans that would grow the national debt by many more trillions.

That is a bullshit lie.

Santorum and Pauls budgets would not grow the debt as they both plan to cut a trillion USD from it each year they are in office.

Why do people like you just make shit up and expect everyone to believe it? Or are you just hoping some people are stupid enough to believe your bullshit?

I have to admit that my response to these statements from both Santorum and Paul is really quite simple. Basically it goes like this... what you say on the campaign trail will more than likely not resemble what you do in office. Why should I believe either one of them?

Immie

Now you lie again. You did not say you had no reason to believe them, you said that they submitted budgets that would grow the deficit. So you lied then and now you lie again trying to cover it up.

Lie, lie, and more fucking lies. I am so sick of these astro-turfing whores going around making shit up and clouding the real facts.

 

[AquaAthena]

No, he is a practical conservative... one that recognizes the need to work with the 'other side' to achieve what needs to be done. If only we had a Democrat in the White House with half of Romney's smarts and courage, we'd be doing much better than we are.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Well I guess it depends on how you look at it. Understanding the difference between a "Republican" and a "conservative" is an important element. Republicans, like myself, tend to be far less black and white in our views than our conservative friends. We are a little more willing to compromise, especially on social issues, and are not quite as "militant" as the conservatives are. When viewed at that way, no Romney is not a RINO, he's just a Republican.

No, Romney is not just a Republican. He has actively voted for Democrats and gave his support to them when running against Republicans. He has worked against every plank in the Republican Party platform, most of which have been in that platform for decades.

I would say that the current trend is a bit concerning for Republicans because it threatens a party split. Moderates, again like myself, receive some pretty harsh treatment by the conservative branch (until they need our votes and then they welcome us into their bosom with open arms) and more frequently you are seeing those moderates and mainstream Republicans saying "fuck it, my party has left me" and becoming Independents. The same thing has happened with the Democrats BTW.

I hope that we do see a split. I could go for a social conservative, economic progressive party that wants fair markets and not unregulated markets.

Why vote for him? For mainstream Republicans it's pretty easy. We generally agree with his positions.

His declared positions he has adopted since running for the Presidency? Well then you are far more conservative than I am because right now he is talking a talk far more conservative than every other candidate out there.

But its all a lie and you know it. Not only does his record of government action show him to be a liberal, but his staff he has selected, the advisors he has surrounded himself with are all liberals and frequently let the cat out of the bag with occasional slips of honesty. They have stated that the Obamacare law will not be removed, only 'fixed'. He will raise taxes with a value added tax that stack with current taxes and he will add an additional $2 tax per gallon of gas.

That is what he really stands for, what his actions indicate, and that is what you must like if you are not a conservative; a lying, two-faced, closet libtard that will raise our taxes, restrict our gun rights, consolidate gay marriage and impose it across the country, and appoint liberal Republicans as judges. He will put more David Souters on the SCOTUS and cement libtard control of that court for the next twenty years.

And conservatives are being fools to support this lying fraud.

 

[BluePhantom]

And with his own argument JB eloquently demonstrates my point.

No, Romney is not just a Republican. He has actively voted for Democrats and gave his support to them when running against Republicans. He has worked against every plank in the Republican Party platform, most of which have been in that platform for decades.

Such as Santorum's support for Arlen Specter against Toomey?

Not only does his record of government action show him to be a liberal, but his staff he has selected, the advisors he has surrounded himself with are all liberals and frequently let the cat out of the bag with occasional slips of honesty. They have stated that the Obamacare law will not be removed, only 'fixed'. He will raise taxes with a value added tax that stack with current taxes and he will add an additional $2 tax per gallon of gas.

As governor of Massachusetts he was dealing with a Democratic state legislature that held overwhelming power and could override his veto at will. He had two choices: a) Refuse to budge on any issue and watch as the state legislature did what they wanted anyhow resulting in far more liberal policy, or b) cooperate with the state legislature so he could at least minimize the damage. He opted for B and that was the smart call.

As far as repealing Obamacare: a) it will almost certainly be academic anyhow as the SCOTUS will most likely shoot it down before the elections, and b) Romney has stated over and over that he will repeal it. His advisers can have whatever opinions they want but they don't hold the big red pen.

Re a VAT: Uh not quite. He said he would consider it as a replacement for other taxes at the corporate level; something that the conservative sweetheart Paul Ryan endorses.

Re a $2 gas tax: What a complete crock of shit. An adviser suggested a gas tax that might hit $2 a gallon. Romney opposes that position and opposed an increase in federal gas taxes as governor. To suggest that Romney wants to raise taxes $2 a gallon is either the result of ignorance or willful deceit.

That is what he really stands for, what his actions indicate, and that is what you must like if you are not a conservative; a lying, two-faced, closet libtard that will raise our taxes, restrict our gun rights, consolidate gay marriage and impose it across the country, and appoint liberal Republicans as judges. He will put more David Souters on the SCOTUS and cement libtard control of that court for the next twenty years.

How interesting because he opposes gay marriage although I disagree with him and you on that point. Your own signature says that "the Constitution is a literal and absolute document". How then can you support denying 14th Amendment rights to a segment of society based upon a moral or religious belief which according to Lemon v. Kurtzman is not a legitimate argument as it violates the 1st Amendment? It seems your position is that "the Constitution is a literal and absolute document" unless you happen to disagree with the issue in question. If you were truly a defender of the constitution you would set aside your moral and/or religious biases and recognize the constitutional rights of the gay community to equal protection under the law and equal access to the law.

But see this is the whole point. Take this one, single issue as an example....the conservative branch opposes gay marriage. Fine, but because I look at it and say "my moral and/or religious beliefs are irrelevant and must be disregarded and therefore there is no legal argument to support discrimination against homosexuals. As such I must champion their rights"...because I hold that position (which is the position which respects the very Constitution the conservative branch claims they hold so dear) I will receive all manner of attacks from conservatives.

So as I said...conservatives are far more "my way or the highway" than your mainstream Republican and JB just did an excellent job of demonstrating that very thing.

 

[chikenwing]

if Romeny wins the nomination just to flip flop on many of the major issues such as spending, health care, the deficit, gay marriage and such. will the GOP establishment still vote for him in the general election or will they go third party or even worse not vote?

They will pull the lever,not voting speaks for itself,protest votes,are a vote for the guy you least want. Voter turn out will be high, I think it s 60/40 race right now, no third party from the repubs,hard telling what will be going on in Nov still could go ether way. The white house isn't the goal the real contests are for the house and senate.

 

[BluePhantom]

If you view Romney as not being on the level; why in the world would you vote for him? Wouldn't you prefer someone who is, at least, not a phony in your eyes?

Well again, I don't view Romney as a RINO so your question doesn't apply to me or those who don't. Those who think he is....well they might prefer someone that they believe is not a phony but who would that be? We know Obama is a disaster and full of shit. What's worse: voting for someone you know is full of shit or for someone you only hope isn't?

 

[candycorn]

If you view Romney as not being on the level; why in the world would you vote for him? Wouldn't you prefer someone who is, at least, not a phony in your eyes?

Well again, I don't view Romney as a RINO so your question doesn't apply to me or those who don't. Those who think he is....well they might prefer someone that they believe is not a phony but who would that be? We know Obama is a disaster and full of shit. What's worse: voting for someone you know is full of shit or for someone you only hope isn't?

If the guy who is full of shit is at least honest about it and you know what to expect; he is. Can you hang your hat on anything Romney has said?