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how I wish they would stop lying all the time
I can go better than the bill. I only need to point to history and point out the Welfare System. Once in, it is damned near impossible to escape. That is by liberal design.
As for Obamacare. Once it takes effect there are NO private insurance companies. They are puppets of the government that must offer exactly what the government tells them to offer i.e. abortion services and at the price they are commanded to offer those services at.
The insurance companies must meet strict guidelines in regards to what they offer... they are soon to be puppets of the U.S. Government.
And if you have no choice in whether or not you purchase insurance or what policies to buy, then you HAVE NO WAY OUT.
Immie
But you're purchasing insurance from private companies, not the government. Are you saying that because there are laws regulating those companies, that makes you a slave to the government? Immie, I've got news for you...theres no business in America that doesn't have some sort of law or regulation governing it. If that's what you consider being "enslaved by the government" then you've been a slave for your entire life and this law is nothing new. You need to take off your tinfoil hat.
No, I am saying that those companies are now owned by the U.S. Government. They are puppets being ALLOWED to offer government services. They are no longer free enterprises. This is not simply regulations. This is downright ownership to the point where they are told what products to offer and at what price.
Airlines, automobile manufacturers and oil companies are regulated. Under Obamacare Health Insurance is a government agency.
Immie
But you're purchasing insurance from private companies, not the government. Are you saying that because there are laws regulating those companies, that makes you a slave to the government? Immie, I've got news for you...theres no business in America that doesn't have some sort of law or regulation governing it. If that's what you consider being "enslaved by the government" then you've been a slave for your entire life and this law is nothing new. You need to take off your tinfoil hat.
No, I am saying that those companies are now owned by the U.S. Government. They are puppets being ALLOWED to offer government services. They are no longer free enterprises. This is not simply regulations. This is downright ownership to the point where they are told what products to offer and at what price.
Airlines, automobile manufacturers and oil companies are regulated. Under Obamacare Health Insurance is a government agency.
Immie
Immie, I hate to break it to you, but what you believe is just outright incorrect. If you want to point to anything in the legislation that says otherwise, then we can talk. But I know you wont because it's not there.
Neither.
Neither.
So just let it go and have the nanny state take over?
Liberty of the individual be damned.
Neither.
So just let it go and have the nanny state take over?
Liberty of the individual be damned.
That isn't going to happen. A lot more people will be banckrupted if we stay with the insurance company's plans. We cannot let corporate America take over, it will be chaos.
So just let it go and have the nanny state take over?
Liberty of the individual be damned.
That isn't going to happen. A lot more people will be banckrupted if we stay with the insurance company's plans. We cannot let corporate America take over, it will be chaos.
I honestly cannot believe with the history of the failures of the U.S. Government Social Programs that anyone with brains, and I put you in that category (partisan but by no means stupid) would support allowing the government further control of our lives.
I can understand TM taking part in this train wreck, but not you and RDD.
Immie
That isn't going to happen. A lot more people will be banckrupted if we stay with the insurance company's plans. We cannot let corporate America take over, it will be chaos.
I honestly cannot believe with the history of the failures of the U.S. Government Social Programs that anyone with brains, and I put you in that category (partisan but by no means stupid) would support allowing the government further control of our lives.
I can understand TM taking part in this train wreck, but not you and RDD.
Immie
Good thing I don't look for your opinion before I post anything.
I honestly cannot believe with the history of the failures of the U.S. Government Social Programs that anyone with brains, and I put you in that category (partisan but by no means stupid) would support allowing the government further control of our lives.
I can understand TM taking part in this train wreck, but not you and RDD.
Immie
Good thing I don't look for your opinion before I post anything.
What you disagree with what I think about you?
Immie
So Gubmint has to take over? The same Gubmint is so efficient that anything they tell you of cost has through history shown to be double or triple what they stated initially?Neither.
So just let it go and have the nanny state take over?
Liberty of the individual be damned.
That isn't going to happen. A lot more people will be banckrupted if we stay with the insurance company's plans. We cannot let corporate America take over, it will be chaos.
Good thing I don't look for your opinion before I post anything.
What you disagree with what I think about you?
Immie
No, that part is true.
So Gubmint has to take over? The same Gubmint is so efficient that anything they tell you of cost has through history shown to be double or triple what they stated initially?So just let it go and have the nanny state take over?
Liberty of the individual be damned.
That isn't going to happen. A lot more people will be banckrupted if we stay with the insurance company's plans. We cannot let corporate America take over, it will be chaos.
THAT Gubmint?
YOU went in the tank head first, didn't you?
From the arguments it sure looks like the mandate part of Obamacare is toast. The question was argued on the last day whether the entire bill or just that part of it should be struck down. Justice Ginsburg argued that striking the entire bill would be a radical exercise in judicial power. Justice Scalia argued that not striking the entire bill would be an exercise in judicial power.
I am inclined to agree with Scalia (surprise). Since so much of the bill hinges on the mandate leaving any part of it would mean essentially the justices deciding what should or shouldn't be the law. Which is really Congress' role. Better to nix the whole thing and let Congress start over.
bullshit , they can determine one part unconstitutional and strike jsut it.
They wont, they will strike it all and then the American people will have to face being dumped for getting sick, not being able to buy insurance because they are already sick and milllions of young people will have nothing but emergency rooms as medical care again.
We will go back to the worst care per capita in the western world again and the right will be soooooooo happy
bullshit , they can determine one part unconstitutional and strike jsut it.
They wont, they will strike it all and then the American people will have to face being dumped for getting sick, not being able to buy insurance because they are already sick and milllions of young people will have nothing but emergency rooms as medical care again.
We will go back to the worst care per capita in the western world again and the right will be soooooooo happy
That's not how it works according to the rules and precedent TM.
All of these people want it repealed all together but have no well thought out, real world viable alternate solutions. What we had before this legislation was much worse and going back to that would be outright idiotic.
If you want a system like they have in Socialist countrys, its not gonna happen. Too many freeloaders will bankrupt any health care program.
Healthcare in it's current forn will bankrupt the USA within 20 years.
It will be eating the majority of the GDP.
Immie, everything you believe just isn't true. Can you point to anything in the actual bill that supports what you say, that once you receive assistance you can never get away from it?
I can go better than the bill. I only need to point to history and point out the Welfare System. Once in, it is damned near impossible to escape. That is by liberal design.
As for Obamacare. Once it takes effect there are NO private insurance companies. They are puppets of the government that must offer exactly what the government tells them to offer i.e. abortion services and at the price they are commanded to offer those services at.
The insurance companies must meet strict guidelines in regards to what they offer... they are soon to be puppets of the U.S. Government.
And if you have no choice in whether or not you purchase insurance or what policies to buy, then you HAVE NO WAY OUT.
Immie
But you're purchasing insurance from private companies, not the government. Are you saying that because there are laws regulating those companies, that makes you a slave to the government? Immie, I've got news for you...theres no business in America that doesn't have some sort of law or regulation governing it. If that's what you consider being "enslaved by the government" then you've been a slave for your entire life and this law is nothing new. You need to take off your tinfoil hat.