Zone1 Should men and women be considered completey and absolutey, by all measures, "equal"?

[Kruska]

no such thing as equal rights,,
just human rights,,

You must be soundly sleeping as to what is presently in progress in Congress and as to what this thread refers to.

Equal Rights Amendment​

Equal Rights Amendment

Three years after the ratification of the 19th amendment, the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) was initially proposed in Congress in 1923 in an effort to secure full equality for women. It seeks to end the legal distinctions between men and women in terms of divorce, property, employment, and other matters. It failed to achieve ratification, but women gradually achieved greater equality through legal victories that continued the effort to expand rights, including the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which ultimately codified the right to vote for all women.

Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) | Definition, History, Text, Pros and Cons, & Facts

Equal Rights Amendment (ERA), a proposed amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would invalidate many state and federal laws that discriminate against women; its central underlying principle is that sex should not determine the legal rights of men or women. Learn more about the ERA.

www.britannica.com

The text of the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) states that “equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex” and further that “the Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

 

[Coyote]

I'm talking about generalities, which is reality. There are exceptions to the rule, but in general women don't thrive in positions of leadership when they have to work 70-80 hours per week. There's a reason why there's such a large descrepency between selected professions between the sexes.

You do agree there's a large descrepency... don't you?

Umh…no. That’s wrong.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Men and women, when measured in mass, have extremely different bodily functions, thus different biological psychologies, and thus when left to their own choices... have significantly different outcomes.

Is it right to attempt to socially engineer those differences out of existance? And if those attempts create horrible results, is it moral to continue to push?

The data/polls seem to say that single, successful women are overall decreasing in happiness. The leftist view of women partaking in the male behavior of transactionally-sexual, and being used as a sex object appears to be un-fulfilling to women in the long run.

Yet, the feminist movement continues to push for women to follow their immediate urges to be rammed through while they have their youth, in their prime... which harms their value to quality value men, who seek chastity.

Unless you're ignorant of the mass data... men and women generally seek different things in partners. Women seek a provider, someone who can offer resources, security, and leadership. Men seek women who are agreeable, physically attractive, kind, and supportive. These have been established roles acrossed nearly all historical cultures throughout the globe... it's biological based on sex.

Modern third-wave feminism is trying to convince women to suppress this natural urge... to take on masculinity, and obsess about being providers... to be disagreeable and try to aggressively overcompensate to positions of leadership even if unnecessary.

This convinces women to actually become unattractive to men, as men aren't attracted to women who assume uber-masculine traits.

Then.. these women go on social media, or all media, and complain that there's no good men out there. No, there's plenty of good men, it's just that third-wave-feminists view men as antagonists rather than in a historical manner of trying to find a mate/partner they can support. Feminism is causing massive sorrow to women, who find out too late that the drive/career they were convinced by our society they wanted doesn't deliver the happiness they were promised. Behavioral psychology dictates that overall children/family make both males/females happier later in life, but espeically females.

Yet, major media/celebrities continue to convince youthful women to "not settle' and go out and F as many people as they please.. and to "Slay Queen!" (and if you have children, have the sacrament of abortion!). This acts completely against behavioral psychology, and sadly only accomadates the worst of men. While men are capable of restrictive emotion sex, women aren't nearly as able.. and it leads to depression and the feeling of being used.

But the drive for sex pushes onward on the left. They want to F now, and not worry about the results, because they feel judged. The truth is, Ms. "I feel judged" Feminist".. if you want to be whore, go ahead.. but don't try to convince young girls to follow you. It's not virtuous, and it will likely lead them to sorrow and despair. Please grow up and be an adult, Ms. angry feminist.

L

Completey and absolutey? What grade are you in? You do know, you are probably going to be working for a woman someday, if you aren't already, that is if you are old enough to work full time.

i was taking the verbal interview for a civil service job back in the seventies. One of the members of the interview was a woman. She asked me if I would have trouble working for a woman. I answered “not if she could do my job better than I could”. The four men on the panel all winced. Is it necessary to say I never heard back about the job? She never followed up, so I couldn’t explain that was my standard for any supervisor.

 

[Dragonlady]

I'm talking about generalities, which is reality. There are exceptions to the rule, but in general women don't thrive in positions of leadership when they have to work 70-80 hours per week. There's a reason why there's such a large descrepency between selected professions between the sexes.

You do agree there's a large descrepency... don't you?

BULLSHIT. You don’t know the first thing about what women are capable of.

 

[Dragonlady]

L

i was taking the verbal interview for a civil service job back in the seventies. One of the members of the interview was a woman. She asked me if I would have trouble working for a woman. I answered “not if she could do my job better than I could”. The four men on the panel all winced. Is it necessary to say I never heard back about the job? She never followed up, so I couldn’t explain that was my standard for any supervisor.

It was a stupid comment and you shouldn’t have made it. It’s hardly surprising you didn’t get the job.

 

[White 6]

L

i was taking the verbal interview for a civil service job back in the seventies. One of the members of the interview was a woman. She asked me if I would have trouble working for a woman. I answered “not if she could do my job better than I could”. The four men on the panel all winced. Is it necessary to say I never heard back about the job? She never followed up, so I couldn’t explain that was my standard for any supervisor.

I like your answer, but it is a little naive. It is not really related to men or women specifically, though. By now, you have worked for people who knew (or could do) your job better and worse, but know it is better to work for one or with one that has a clue. When hiring in, it is not unusual to work for somebody that knows your job better. Six months down the road is a different story. Then it becomes whether they are worth a crap at their job, managing people of different talents, disciplines, to get the most of an organization, to achieve related goals without being a pain in the ass, eat up with their own needs and actually destructive to organizational goals.

 

[Wiggle_Piggy]

BULLSHIT. You don’t know the first thing about what women are capable of.

The data sure does. Mass data says Men generally choose to work more hours than women overall, and most jobs that demand high hours are majority filled by men.

That’s why most top level CEO’s are men.. not because of some systemic sexism that feminism invented without any proof, but because being a top level CEO requires maddening hours, near obsession of work, and risky behaviour that pays off. Mass data shows that men are far more likely to do those things… while women tend to want to work less hours, focus more on people than work, and are less likely to take risks.

This data isn’t up to dispute BTW. You can be mad at it, but the behavioral differences between the sexes is ironclad documented.

And the things women tend to value aren’t bad, they’re good… as men and women are largely biologically/psychologically designed to compliment each other with these differences.

Feminism largely wants women to act like men, but no social engineering can overcome biological psychology. That’s why 30+ women are reporting higher rates of depression and antidepressant use.

Feminism is lying to women. Women should embrace feminine traits, not try to invade foreign territory and obsessively try to be Uber-masculine without the proper genetics/psychological tendencies. That’s why the stereotypical feminist these days is single, childless, and unhappy, with antagonistic views towards men. It’s no wonder they’re so single and unhappy..

 

[Dragonlady]

The data sure does. Mass data says Men generally choose to work more hours than women overall, and most jobs that demand high hours are majority filled by men.

That’s why most top level CEO’s are men.. not because of some systemic sexism that feminism invented without any proof, but because being a top level CEO requires maddening hours, near obsession of work, and risky behaviour that pays off. Mass data shows that men are far more likely to do those things… while women tend to want to work less hours, focus more on people than work, and are less likely to take risks.

This data isn’t up to dispute BTW. You can be mad at it, but the behavioral differences between the sexes is ironclad documented.

And the things women tend to value aren’t bad, they’re good… as men and women are largely biologically/psychologically designed to compliment each other with these differences.

Feminism largely wants women to act like men, but no social engineering can overcome biological psychology. That’s why 30+ women are reporting higher rates of depression and antidepressant use.

Feminism is lying to women. Women should embrace feminine traits, not try to invade foreign territory and obsessively try to be Uber-masculine without the proper genetics/psychological tendencies. That’s why the stereotypical feminist these days is single, childless, and unhappy, with antagonistic views towards men. It’s no wonder they’re so single and unhappy..

That's because women have that 2nd shift when they get home. Women with children need housekeepers, nannies, or stay-at-home husbands to work the hours. Or no children and a husband who can fend for himself. I had a divorced mother of grown children whose father had left her a nice trust fund. She came to my house in the morning and got my kids off to school and picked them up, cleaned my house, did my laundry and had dinner in the oven when I came home. I didn't work late, but I did bring files home to work on after my kids went to bed. And she didn't want much money, she just wanted to feel useful, and to rent a car to go to the country every weekend.

Every successful person needs a "wife at home" to free us up to work the hours.

 

[Wiggle_Piggy]

That's because women have that 2nd shift when they get home. Women with children need housekeepers, nannies, or stay-at-home husbands to work the hours. Or no children and a husband who can fend for himself. I had a divorced mother of grown children whose father had left her a nice trust fund. She came to my house in the morning and got my kids off to school and picked them up, cleaned my house, did my laundry and had dinner in the oven when I came home. I didn't work late, but I did bring files home to work on after my kids went to bed. And she didn't want much money, she just wanted to feel useful, and to rent a car to go to the country every weekend.

Every successful person needs a "wife at home" to free us up to work the hours.

No, even women without children choose to work less hours, it’s not about kids.

 

[Dragonlady]

No, even women without children choose to work less hours, it’s not about kids.

Are you a woman. Every woman I know, works long hours at high levels. 1/3 of the corporate leaders/directors in Canada, are women. Half of Trudeau's cabinet, are women. Women are equal under our Constitution, and under our laws. Abortion is a matter between a woman and her doctor in Canada - there are no abortion laws.

Women Lead Here: Corporate Canada female leadership ranked

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[Dogmaphobe]

The data sure does. Mass data says Men generally choose to work more hours than women overall, and most jobs that demand high hours are majority filled by men.

That’s why most top level CEO’s are men.. not because of some systemic sexism that feminism invented without any proof, but because being a top level CEO requires maddening hours, near obsession of work, and risky behaviour that pays off. Mass data shows that men are far more likely to do those things… while women tend to want to work less hours, focus more on people than work, and are less likely to take risks.

This data isn’t up to dispute BTW. You can be mad at it, but the behavioral differences between the sexes is ironclad documented.

And the things women tend to value aren’t bad, they’re good… as men and women are largely biologically/psychologically designed to compliment each other with these differences.

Feminism largely wants women to act like men, but no social engineering can overcome biological psychology. That’s why 30+ women are reporting higher rates of depression and antidepressant use.

Feminism is lying to women. Women should embrace feminine traits, not try to invade foreign territory and obsessively try to be Uber-masculine without the proper genetics/psychological tendencies. That’s why the stereotypical feminist these days is single, childless, and unhappy, with antagonistic views towards men. It’s no wonder they’re so single and unhappy..

There is a strong correlation between CEOs and various personality traits like Narcissism and Sociopathy.

There are more men than women with these traits.

 

[Dragonlady]

There is a strong correlation between CEOs and various personality traits like Narcissism and Sociopathy.

There are more men than women with these traits.

Moving the goal posts are we????

Women don’t use the same style of management as men do. Women use more cooperative and inclusive type of management than men. One where the personal characteristics of narcissism and sociopathy are of little to no value.

Women Leadership Styles

Female leaders have many of the same qualities as their male colleagues, especially an ability to set high goals and inspire others to fulfill them. But women are different in some particular ways that make them valuable additions to decision making teams.

www.forbes.com

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Moving the goal posts are we????

Women don’t use the same style of management as men do. Women use more cooperative and inclusive type of management than men. One where the personal characteristics of narcissism and sociopathy are of little to no value.

Women Leadership Styles

Female leaders have many of the same qualities as their male colleagues, especially an ability to set high goals and inspire others to fulfill them. But women are different in some particular ways that make them valuable additions to decision making teams.

www.forbes.com

I am not moving any goal posts, evil one.

 

[sparky]

Men see themselves as providers, protectors.

Women see themselves as nurturing , compassionate

This is a nature , and you'll excuse me to claim that this is something that is never going to change

~S~

 

[AZrailwhale]

It was a stupid comment and you shouldn’t have made it. It’s hardly surprising you didn’t get the job.

Why was it a stupid comment? That was and still is my requirement for a boss. If he or she can't do my job better than I can, I take their job.

 

[Dragonlady]

Men see themselves as providers, protectors.

Women see themselves as nurturing , compassionate

This is a nature , and you'll excuse me to claim that this is something that is never going to change

~S~

This isn't "nature", these are "gender roles" that our society assigns to men and women. These are the expected gender roles our society tells men and women they SHOULD have.

This is the difference between "sex" and "gender".

 

[sparky]

This isn't "nature", these are "gender roles" that our society assigns to men and women. These are the expected gender roles our society tells men and women they SHOULD have.

This is the difference between "sex" and "gender".

If 'society' hands down roles less than what is nature, then it will fail DL

~S~

 

[Zincwarrior]

Only if they can use correct spelling, unlike the OP.

 

[Wiggle_Piggy]

Are you a woman.

No, but I’m a human with a brain that can view data.

Every woman I know, works long hours at high levels.

That’s nice, anecdotal evidence holds no water when discussing large scale trends

1/3 of the corporate leaders/directors in Canada, are women.

Exactly.. thus 2/3 are men, even with the obvious social engineering that’s going on.

Half of Trudeau's cabinet, are women.

As a leftist, he likely does what Biden does.. hire/nominate based on race/sex, not competence. And politicians appear to not work a lot anyways, so I don’t think the job falls under what I’m talking about.

Women are equal under our Constitution, and under our laws.

Nobody said they weren’t. You must be thinking of another conversation

 

[Dragonlady]

No, but I’m a human with a brain that can view data.

That’s nice, anecdotal evidence holds no water when discussing large scale trends

Exactly.. thus 2/3 are men, even with the obvious social engineering that’s going on.

As a leftist, he likely does what Biden does.. hire/nominate based on race/sex, not competence. And politicians appear to not work a lot anyways, so I don’t think the job falls under what I’m talking about.

Nobody said they weren’t. You must be thinking of another conversation

The number was less than 5% thirty years ago. I was one of the first female bank managers in Canada, and things were very difficult for women breaking through the glass ceiling. I was harassed and insulted endless at every management meeting I ever attended. I was blocking a great training job that a man could use because I wouldn't take a transfer. Telling them I would take a transfer didn't deter the abuse.

Female run companies have proven that women are just as effective as managers as men. That's made it easier for women. In 1975, I could count on the fingers of one hand how many women I knew in branch banking management. Now, nearly half of the branch banking managers are women and 40% of senior bank staff are women. There were NO senior bank staff who were women in my day. As of 2021, women occupied 39.5 per cent of senior management positions and 48.6 per cent of all middle management positions at Canada's six largest banks.

Focus: Representation of Women at Banks in Canada

Banks are leaders in the representation of women at several levels, including executive and middle management and on their boards of directors.

cba.ca

Your comment that Biden and Trudeau hire on the basis of sex, not qualifications, is laughable. Trump hired 1 black man and 2 women for his cabinet. Other than press aides, all of his advisors were white men. And your assumption that the men were more capable or qualified is bullshit.

There are so many qualified and capable women/minorities/gays waiting for an opportunity, and working their way in through secretarial/administrative assistant jobs, and then slotting into management training when an opening presents itself, because the white men still get hired first.

Trump appointed Amy Coney Barrett - the least qualified SC candidate I've seen in my lifetime, in terms of experience. She was a law professor before Trump appointed her to the appeals court, and the ink was barely dry on that appointment when she was elevated to the SC. But she was Catholic, and rabidly anti-abortion, and those were the only two qualifications that mattered, if he had to appoint a woman.

Joe Biden's pick, your so-called "affirmative action hire", had a comparable educational record to ACB, but she had 12 years experience as a federal judge\ in Washington DC - one of the busiest federal courts in the country, and had been both a federal prosecutor, and a public defender before being elevated to the bench. She's the most qualified and experienced person appointed to the SC since RBG.

The year, I became a bank manager, I won an Award for being the top branch management employee in Ontario. I left the bank when they hired a man right off the street for a job I was both qualified and available for, and sent him to me to train telling him that I was "the best consumer lending specialist there is". Not only did they give this guy the job I had applied for, they were paying him 25% more than they were paying me.