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if you kill them or make them sicker, it is cruel and unusual punishment not part of the sentence...Lack of air conditioning is not cruel as many people do not have it. Neither is it unusual for the same reasons. According to the Constitution the punishment must be both cruel and unusual to be prohibited and lack of air conditioning is neither.
While it is a nice thing to provide air conditioning to the elderly, sick or disabled failure to do so is not a violation of rights.
I disagree.
They are in Prison and can be given water to hydrate with. Nowhere in the constitution does it require our government to offer A\C to prisoners.
Does it bother me they are forcing the State of Texas to do this?
No, but again it is not require by the constitution to do this.Cruel and unusual punishment.Nowhere in the constitution does it require our government to offer A\C to prisoners.
Look it up
So are you claiming before the invention of the A\C unit our State and Federal Governments were going against the Constitution?
Please tell me you are not claiming that because a Prison does not have A\C to cool prisoners down is consider cruel to You and if so then do you believe that it is also cruel to lock people away for doing any form of crime?
It is not cruel or unusual punishment seeing the A\C invention was long after the creation of the Constitution and Prisons were part of the nation for many years.
Depends on where they fall on the donor list.
if you kill them or make them sicker, it is cruel and unusual punishment not part of the sentence...Lack of air conditioning is not cruel as many people do not have it. Neither is it unusual for the same reasons. According to the Constitution the punishment must be both cruel and unusual to be prohibited and lack of air conditioning is neither.
While it is a nice thing to provide air conditioning to the elderly, sick or disabled failure to do so is not a violation of rights.
I disagree.
They are in Prison and can be given water to hydrate with. Nowhere in the constitution does it require our government to offer A\C to prisoners.
Does it bother me they are forcing the State of Texas to do this?
No, but again it is not require by the constitution to do this.Cruel and unusual punishment.Nowhere in the constitution does it require our government to offer A\C to prisoners.
Look it up
So are you claiming before the invention of the A\C unit our State and Federal Governments were going against the Constitution?
Please tell me you are not claiming that because a Prison does not have A\C to cool prisoners down is consider cruel to You and if so then do you believe that it is also cruel to lock people away for doing any form of crime?
It is not cruel or unusual punishment seeing the A\C invention was long after the creation of the Constitution and Prisons were part of the nation for many years.
"So are you claiming before the invention of the A\C unit our State and Federal Governments were going against the Constitution?"
No, I"m claiming that Cruel and Unusual punishment is illegal under the Constitution.
Read it sometime.
and stop making up stupid crap.
This fails as a strawman fallacy – no one is ‘arguing’ that air conditioning is a ‘right.’How is this in politics?
In answer to your question, NO!
I'm getting there, was hoping for a few people to chime in
To me, this is political, but I won't complain if it gets moved to current events:
Federal judge orders Texas prisons to provide A/C
quote:
In a searing 100-page rebuke of the Texas prison system, a federal judge Wednesday ordered state officials to provide air-conditioned living quarters for elderly, disabled and other heat-sensitive inmates at the Pack Unit northwest of Houston.
The judge's ruling — which chastises prison officials for "obstruction" and "deliberate indifference" to inmate suffering — gives the state 15 days to draft a plan to ensure that 475 vulnerable inmates have living units cooled to no more than 88 degrees and that 1,000 others have easy access to indoor respite areas. The prison must also develop a heat-wave policy to prevent further injuries and install insect-proof window screens.
Why stop at prisoners, shouldn't everyone have the same rights to free A/C?
This fails as a strawman fallacy – no one is ‘arguing’ that air conditioning is a ‘right.’
Most of our local nursing homes don't have it either. Of course, we're in Maine, but still, it gets pretty warm in July and August.if you kill them or make them sicker, it is cruel and unusual punishment not part of the sentence...
I disagree.
They are in Prison and can be given water to hydrate with. Nowhere in the constitution does it require our government to offer A\C to prisoners.
Does it bother me they are forcing the State of Texas to do this?
No, but again it is not require by the constitution to do this.Cruel and unusual punishment.Nowhere in the constitution does it require our government to offer A\C to prisoners.
Look it up
So are you claiming before the invention of the A\C unit our State and Federal Governments were going against the Constitution?
Please tell me you are not claiming that because a Prison does not have A\C to cool prisoners down is consider cruel to You and if so then do you believe that it is also cruel to lock people away for doing any form of crime?
It is not cruel or unusual punishment seeing the A\C invention was long after the creation of the Constitution and Prisons were part of the nation for many years.
"So are you claiming before the invention of the A\C unit our State and Federal Governments were going against the Constitution?"
No, I"m claiming that Cruel and Unusual punishment is illegal under the Constitution.
Read it sometime.
and stop making up stupid crap.
I ask you a question.
It is not cruel nor unusual punishment if a inmate is without A\C.
You can't be this stupid - I have read your other posts ITT, so I am surprised by this comment from youExcept, AC wasn't even mandated and this only pertains to one prison.
You can't be this stupid - I have read your other posts ITT, so I am surprised by this comment from youExcept, AC wasn't even mandated and this only pertains to one prison.
A ruling in federal court sets a precedent that must be followed unless there is a contradictory ruling in another federal court, or it is overruled on appeal or by SCOTUS
And the court did mandate that a certain temperature or cooler be maintained, which is impossible to do without AC
Most of our local nursing homes don't have it either. Of course, we're in Maine, but still, it gets pretty warm in July and August.I disagree.
They are in Prison and can be given water to hydrate with. Nowhere in the constitution does it require our government to offer A\C to prisoners.
Does it bother me they are forcing the State of Texas to do this?
No, but again it is not require by the constitution to do this.Cruel and unusual punishment.Nowhere in the constitution does it require our government to offer A\C to prisoners.
Look it up
So are you claiming before the invention of the A\C unit our State and Federal Governments were going against the Constitution?
Please tell me you are not claiming that because a Prison does not have A\C to cool prisoners down is consider cruel to You and if so then do you believe that it is also cruel to lock people away for doing any form of crime?
It is not cruel or unusual punishment seeing the A\C invention was long after the creation of the Constitution and Prisons were part of the nation for many years.
"So are you claiming before the invention of the A\C unit our State and Federal Governments were going against the Constitution?"
No, I"m claiming that Cruel and Unusual punishment is illegal under the Constitution.
Read it sometime.
and stop making up stupid crap.
I ask you a question.
It is not cruel nor unusual punishment if a inmate is without A\C.
OK - thanks for the well thought out responseYou can't be this stupid - I have read your other posts ITT, so I am surprised by this comment from youExcept, AC wasn't even mandated and this only pertains to one prison.
A ruling in federal court sets a precedent that must be followed unless there is a contradictory ruling in another federal court, or it is overruled on appeal or by SCOTUS
And the court did mandate that a certain temperature or cooler be maintained, which is impossible to do without AC
That was from your own link.
The prison has until August 8th to come up with a plan. X amount of people whose health was at issue had to be moved as it violated the 8th amendment. They weren't moved to an area with air conditioning. That decision will be appealed--from your own link.
Texas is one of those states that will do whatever it takes to circumvent rulings. Have you ever seen the commercial where the little boy in the back seat of a car has his finger a half inch from his sister's arm and repeats the phrase, "I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you" ? Yeah, that's Texas.
It makes sense, especially given detention center and prison riots, to add air conditioning. It would be the easiest route. It's simple. Doesn't mean Texas will do it. It will also open the door for other lawsuits. That will shift things.
I have a feeling it's going to take a Supreme Court decision to really move it.
Texas is in the middle of a lot of changes in their criminal justice system. A lot. It will be interesting to see what they come up with on the 8th. Keep in mind Texas is a state where a dad can catch a guy molesting his son and kill him. Even the most die hard liberals in Texas applaud. Hell, I applaud that.
far too often people get caught up in arguing the emotional aspects of a situation rather than the implication of the broader policyMost of our local nursing homes don't have it either. Of course, we're in Maine, but still, it gets pretty warm in July and August.Cruel and unusual punishment.
Look it up
So are you claiming before the invention of the A\C unit our State and Federal Governments were going against the Constitution?
Please tell me you are not claiming that because a Prison does not have A\C to cool prisoners down is consider cruel to You and if so then do you believe that it is also cruel to lock people away for doing any form of crime?
It is not cruel or unusual punishment seeing the A\C invention was long after the creation of the Constitution and Prisons were part of the nation for many years.
"So are you claiming before the invention of the A\C unit our State and Federal Governments were going against the Constitution?"
No, I"m claiming that Cruel and Unusual punishment is illegal under the Constitution.
Read it sometime.
and stop making up stupid crap.
I ask you a question.
It is not cruel nor unusual punishment if a inmate is without A\C.
I have no issue with cooling the inmates. My issue is with the claim it is cruel and unusual punishment if the prison system does not supply it.
It get hotter than hell here in Texas and the humidity is horrible, so I can be sway to cool those in prison.
How's it feel to a thief and a cheat? That's what you are when you use government to coerce those who have earned a living to surrender their living in order to provide luxuries to those who not only do not earn their keep, they have violated the laws laid down by the society they scorn. Wait, that means you collude with government to steal from and cheat decent people who have not committed crimes.BS. They gave up the ability to visit friends, go to the store, etc, when they decided to break the law. They made a choice. It sucks they can't access things others do, but that's tough shit. They made their choice, now they should live with the consequences of their choices.Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
If regular people live in said conditions, how in the blooming hell is it unusual?
"Cruel AND unusual", dude.
Because, unlike the people you refer to, the inmates dont' have the wherewithal to escape the heat and humidity.
They can visit friends, they can go to a store with a/c and soak up the cold, they can take turns sticking their heads in the fridge.
You lost this argument 50 posts ago, and you're too hard headed to admit it
and if they die, you don't give a shit, right?
they broke the law, so let them die.
the crime wasn't enough to warrant a death penalty verdict, but asking for some relief from the heat is?
how does it feel to be judge, jury and executioner?
Reasonable. I object not only to lack of AC being "cruel and unusual" punishment, but that AC is not, nor has it ever been, a human right.Most of our local nursing homes don't have it either. Of course, we're in Maine, but still, it gets pretty warm in July and August.Cruel and unusual punishment.
Look it up
So are you claiming before the invention of the A\C unit our State and Federal Governments were going against the Constitution?
Please tell me you are not claiming that because a Prison does not have A\C to cool prisoners down is consider cruel to You and if so then do you believe that it is also cruel to lock people away for doing any form of crime?
It is not cruel or unusual punishment seeing the A\C invention was long after the creation of the Constitution and Prisons were part of the nation for many years.
"So are you claiming before the invention of the A\C unit our State and Federal Governments were going against the Constitution?"
No, I"m claiming that Cruel and Unusual punishment is illegal under the Constitution.
Read it sometime.
and stop making up stupid crap.
I ask you a question.
It is not cruel nor unusual punishment if a inmate is without A\C.
I have no issue with cooling the inmates. My issue is with the claim it is cruel and unusual punishment if the prison system does not supply it.
It get hotter than hell here in Texas and the humidity is horrible, so I can be sway to cool those in prison.
How do s USMB feel about this?
Should the government have to provide cold air?
How's it feel to a thief and a cheat? That's what you are when you use government to coerce those who have earned a living to surrender their living in order to provide luxuries to those who not only do not earn their keep, they have violated the laws laid down by the society they scorn. Wait, that means you collude with government to steal from and cheat decent people who have not committed crimes.BS. They gave up the ability to visit friends, go to the store, etc, when they decided to break the law. They made a choice. It sucks they can't access things others do, but that's tough shit. They made their choice, now they should live with the consequences of their choices.Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
If regular people live in said conditions, how in the blooming hell is it unusual?
"Cruel AND unusual", dude.
Because, unlike the people you refer to, the inmates dont' have the wherewithal to escape the heat and humidity.
They can visit friends, they can go to a store with a/c and soak up the cold, they can take turns sticking their heads in the fridge.
You lost this argument 50 posts ago, and you're too hard headed to admit it
and if they die, you don't give a shit, right?
they broke the law, so let them die.
the crime wasn't enough to warrant a death penalty verdict, but asking for some relief from the heat is?
how does it feel to be judge, jury and executioner?
AC is definitely not a human right. It is a luxury and a comfort that costs money to provide. I've already allowed that AC might be provided in a prison infirmary. You should be satisfied with that.
Frankly, if prison were less comfortable, less "understanding", then maybe, just maybe some would avoid going there.
What else might you consider a human right?
How's it feel to a thief and a cheat? That's what you are when you use government to coerce those who have earned a living to surrender their living in order to provide luxuries to those who not only do not earn their keep, they have violated the laws laid down by the society they scorn. Wait, that means you collude with government to steal from and cheat decent people who have not committed crimes.BS. They gave up the ability to visit friends, go to the store, etc, when they decided to break the law. They made a choice. It sucks they can't access things others do, but that's tough shit. They made their choice, now they should live with the consequences of their choices.Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
If regular people live in said conditions, how in the blooming hell is it unusual?
"Cruel AND unusual", dude.
Because, unlike the people you refer to, the inmates dont' have the wherewithal to escape the heat and humidity.
They can visit friends, they can go to a store with a/c and soak up the cold, they can take turns sticking their heads in the fridge.
You lost this argument 50 posts ago, and you're too hard headed to admit it
and if they die, you don't give a shit, right?
they broke the law, so let them die.
the crime wasn't enough to warrant a death penalty verdict, but asking for some relief from the heat is?
how does it feel to be judge, jury and executioner?
AC is definitely not a human right. It is a luxury and a comfort that costs money to provide. I've already allowed that AC might be provided in a prison infirmary. You should be satisfied with that.
Frankly, if prison were less comfortable, less "understanding", then maybe, just maybe some would avoid going there.
What else might you consider a human right?
How do s USMB feel about this?
Should the government have to provide cold air?
The right of taxation has long been enjoyed by every human government that has ever existed for all practical purposes.Nobody has the right take what doesn't belong to them, even if a majority vote for theft.
What is done with the loot, be it air conditioners, healthcare, or beer, is inconsequential. The idea of wealth redistribution is fundamentally immoral.
