Separation of State from Church

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    Without discussion of whether or not the United States Constitution contains the concept or words, “separation of church and state”, that concept is exactly what the Founding Fathers intended. Perhaps the concept would be better stated, though, “Separation of State from Church”.
    They came from a world where the Church and the State were essentially one; where the government supported the Church and vise versa. One was required to observe the faith of their King.
    When setting forth our Constitution, the Founders, when defining individual rights, set speech and religious practice first, as if it was the primary right given by God to his people.
    While virtually all at the Constitutional Convention were Christians, or at the very least, deists, they came from many denominations and all were worried that a central government could force Connecticut Congregationalists to observe Baptist tenet, or Virginia Episcopalians would outlaw Methodism in Massachusetts.
    To prevent that possibility, they included, first and foremost in their list of inalienable rights, the phrase “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”.
    They wanted religion to be free of government interference. They wanted every citizen to be free to worship, or not, without penalty or fear of reprisal or restriction. No where, does the Constitution or The Bill of Rights say anything about excluding religion from government, only the opposite.
    Nowhere is it written in those documents that Christians, Jews Muslims or Buddhists are prohibited from praying in a public place, as a matter of fact, it seems logical to say that the 1st Amendment specifically says that the government is forbidden to deny anyone that right.
     
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    Dear God in Heaven,
    Please direct a couple Liberals to this thread
    Amen
     
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    Personally, I am at a loss to explain why the liberal establishment - many of whom claim to follow a faith - are the very ones who are attempting to remove religion from any public display. I find that to be somewhat ridiculous. Don't tell me you are tolerant when you are not. If you seek to wipe religion out of the country.... say so. Own it. Have the courage of your convictions. But, know this, do not claim to be the 'tolerant' ideology when you demonstrate tolerance only towards those you feel inclined to.

    The 'separation' was never supposed to be used to destroy that which it was designed to protect. And that is what certain sections of our system are trying to do.
     
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    Don't leave me hangin' Ernie, please describe the incident when you were prohibited from praying in a public place?
     
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    Let's try schools, public meetings... Let's consider bans on Christmas displays, suits to remove "In God we trust" from our currency, the 10 Commandments from court houses. Hang on that for a while. Explain the justification based purely on the words of the first amendment.
     
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    So you've never experienced any such prohibition.

    Got it. :thup:
     
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    The proximate reason, CG, is the hope for success of Marxism, as reiterated by the Frankfurt School.

    In 1923 Georg Lukacs helped establish a Marxist research center at the University of Frankfurt under the sponsorship of Felix Weil. Like Marx’s benefactor, Friedrich Engels, Weil was the son of a wealthy capitalist and an ardent Marxist who had earned a Ph.D. in political science from Frankfurt University. These rich slackers used family money to fund the Institute for Social Research, best known as the institutional home of the Frankfurt School and critical theory. http://www.lust-for-life.org/Lust-F...turalMarxismAndPoliticalCorrectness-part2.pdf

    a. …the Institute attracted gifted scholars not only in economics but also in philosophy, history, psychology, sociology… convinced that the major impediment to the spread of Marxism was Western culture. In particular, they despised traditional Judeo/Christian ethics and morality, which they believed prevented the widespread acceptance of Marxism.

    b. The Frankfurt School propagated a revisionistic Neo-Marxist interpretation of Western culture called Critical Theory, an aggressive promotion of a radical left-wing socio/political agenda. In essence, Critical Theory was a comprehensive and unrelenting assault on the values and institutions of Western civilization.
     
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    I had faith someone would get it and knowledge that others wouldn't. (see the post following yours)
     

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