Senior Israeli diplomat: 'This land is ours'

[Phoenall]

And yet according to the God of Abraham, He is the one who gathered them home, to where they are, and where His Son will spend eternity in their midst.
Either God is the thief, or they are right where they belong....

The Palestinian's are the direct decendents of the ancient Israelites.

The Israeli's, are just a bunch of war-mongering wanna-be's, with no lineage to the ancient Hebrews.

60% of Israelis are from Arab countries and DO have connections to the ancient Hebrews, you dumb monkey.

The people who are war mongers are Israel's enemies, who have been attacking her since 1948. Your propaganda does not apply to real life.

Toast, the hostilities of 1948 have never ended, Islam in one form or another will not tolerate a Western Colonial fiat fostered on them...

Sure Israel is strong she can hold her occupied territories despite the peace calls of humanity...


She will never have peace as long as she occupies other's piece...In the end the Balance of Power always changes, especially in wars of rocketry, the future.

Let me explain hos occupation works Pbel. They do not end until hostilities end first. Unfortunately, many Palestinian do not want peace, they want victory.

ABBAS has made his policies clear: Peace Offerings....It is Israel that keeps stealing land and justifying hostilities and greed...

The UN and even the US has condemned both sides...

This war has gone beyond the Palestinians who are pawns in a wider war...The Islam of the common people against Western Imperialism is growing, a wider war is brewing!

What peace offerings, how about you spell them out so we can see exactly what he is offering. And by the way pre conditions are not valid peace offerings when backed up by the PLO/PA charter

 

[Hossfly]

And yet according to the God of Abraham, He is the one who gathered them home, to where they are, and where His Son will spend eternity in their midst.
Either God is the thief, or they are right where they belong....

The Palestinian's are the direct decendents of the ancient Israelites.

The Israeli's, are just a bunch of war-mongering wanna-be's, with no lineage to the ancient Hebrews.

60% of Israelis are from Arab countries and DO have connections to the ancient Hebrews, you dumb monkey.

The people who are war mongers are Israel's enemies, who have been attacking her since 1948. Your propaganda does not apply to real life.

it's actually "DO NOT" just thought I'd correct you.....fcuk me (then again maybe not Toastie, LOL) I'm starting to sound like a school teacher..steve

Perfesser theliq. Kewl.

OK Hossie...what do you mean by Kewl ????other than internet slang for Cool

 

[SAYIT]

Toast, the hostilities of 1948 have never ended, Islam in one form or another will not tolerate a Western Colonial fiat fostered on them....

Now that is your fancy name (Western Colonial fiat) for Israel but what Islamics (not Islam the religion) will not tolerate is Jooooz ... period. The only truth in your post is the simmering nature of the Arab's nearly 7 decade long siege of that ginormous Jewish Homeland (see map) and your mindless hate for it and its people..

 

[SAYIT]

Jews were creating banking systems in Germania after World War I, which stifled the German national economy.

Please explain and corroborate.

 

[SAYIT]

ABBAS has made his policies clear: Peace Offerings....

Camel crap. Abbas would not survive any sincere attempt to make peace with Israel ... his more virulent comrades would snip off his head.

This war has gone beyond the Palestinians who are pawns in a wider war...The Islam of the common people against Western Imperialism is growing, a wider war is brewing!

The conflict (it's hardly a war) has from its start been a regional one with the local Arabs as cannon fodder. Their Muslim "brethren" and global Nazi-types have kept those hapless "refugees" in squalid camps in order to foment the anger and desperation necessary to maintain the conflict. As that reality has become apparent to the locals and the international community, much of the support for their violence has quietly dissipated. During 2014's Operation Protective Edge the Arab World (even Hezbollah) was strangely quiet or even aligned with Israel in an entirely new dynamic:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/w...tates-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html

 

[montelatici]

Why do you deny fact:

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947​

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land.

"A 364 of 3 September 1947


And Phoney, don't try your semantics trick by trying to claim possession does not mean ownership. The Survey states ownership plainly for 1943 when it was over 95% Muslim and Christian ownership.

Yep 94.2% ottoman muslim and only 0.8% arab muslim. You really need to read your source for the details. Shows that the Jews owned more land than the arab muslims which everway you try and fiddle the figures. By the way you can possess a stolen car, but you will never own it, when you understand this you will realise that you have been posting false propaganda all this time.

Now why don't you post table one any more, is it because it destroys your propaganda.

It says the Arab population, you nitwit. You can't even lie well.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land."

 

[montelatici]

The usual fairy tales from Hasbara edited wiki, Now the facts:

"In 63 BC, Judaea became a protectorate of Rome. Coming under the administration of a governor, Judaea was allowed a king; the governor's business was to regulate trade and maximize tax revenue. While the Jews despised the Greeks, theRomans were a nightmare. Governorships were bought at high prices; the governors would attempt to squeeze as much revenue as possible from their regions and pocket as much as they could. Even with a Jewish king, the Judaeans revolted in 70 AD, a desperate revolt that ended tragically. In 73 AD, the last of the revolutionaries were holed up in a mountain fort called Masada; the Romans had besieged the fort for two years, and the 1,000 men, women, and children inside were beginning to starve. In desperation, the Jewish revolutionaries killed themselves rather than surrender to the Romans. The Romans then destroyed Jerusalem, annexed Judaea as a Roman province, and systematically drove the Jews from Palestine. After 73 AD, Hebrew history would only be the history of the Diaspora as the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe."

The Diaspora Jewish Virtual Library

DIASPORA, dumbass retard. Ha ha ha.

We are talking about Jewish history in the land of Israel, not in the DIASPORA. Fucking idiot.

Ottoman rule (1517–1917)

The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses. Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara andSolomon Alkabetz. The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan. A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrew printing press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.

You really should stop posting from Jew propaganda sites and read some historical fact.

"The Romans then destroyed Jerusalem, annexed Judaea as a Roman province, and systematically drove the Jews from Palestine. After 73 AD, Hebrew history would only be the history of the Diaspora as the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe."

The Diaspora Jewish Virtual Library

 

[pbel]

ABBAS has made his policies clear: Peace Offerings....

Camel crap. Abbas would not survive any sincere attempt to make peace with Israel ... his more virulent comrades would snip off his head.

This war has gone beyond the Palestinians who are pawns in a wider war...The Islam of the common people against Western Imperialism is growing, a wider war is brewing!

The conflict (it's hardly a war) has from its start been a regional one with the local Arabs as cannon fodder. Their Muslim "brethren" and global Nazi-types have kept those hapless "refugees" in squalid camps in order to foment the anger and desperation necessary to maintain the conflict. As that reality has become apparent to the locals and the international community, much of the support for their violence has quietly dissipated. During 2014's Operation Protective Edge the Arab World (even Hezbollah) was strangely quiet or even aligned with Israel in an entirely new dynamic:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/w...tates-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html

Poor Sniffer, still seeing Nazis everywhere she goes...Its not rational yet you think that discussion in this conflict is based on love or hate for Israel rather than the simple Land taking by Western Imperialism after WWll...


Now you on the other hand irrationally think that people are opposed to Israel on the basis of Religion and therefore land theft is justified like the Israeli government in this OP....

That's what the Arabs see, 500 million of them being joined by 1.5 billion Muslims because people like you have turned this conflict into a Religious war.

 

[Phoenall]

Why do you deny fact:

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947​

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land.

"A 364 of 3 September 1947


And Phoney, don't try your semantics trick by trying to claim possession does not mean ownership. The Survey states ownership plainly for 1943 when it was over 95% Muslim and Christian ownership.

Yep 94.2% ottoman muslim and only 0.8% arab muslim. You really need to read your source for the details. Shows that the Jews owned more land than the arab muslims which everway you try and fiddle the figures. By the way you can possess a stolen car, but you will never own it, when you understand this you will realise that you have been posting false propaganda all this time.

Now why don't you post table one any more, is it because it destroys your propaganda.

It says the Arab population, you nitwit. You can't even lie well.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land."

Possession and not ownership which is why INTERNATIONAL LAW granted ownership to the Jews in 1923

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why do you deny fact:

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947​

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land.

"A 364 of 3 September 1947


And Phoney, don't try your semantics trick by trying to claim possession does not mean ownership. The Survey states ownership plainly for 1943 when it was over 95% Muslim and Christian ownership.

Yep 94.2% ottoman muslim and only 0.8% arab muslim. You really need to read your source for the details. Shows that the Jews owned more land than the arab muslims which everway you try and fiddle the figures. By the way you can possess a stolen car, but you will never own it, when you understand this you will realise that you have been posting false propaganda all this time.

Now why don't you post table one any more, is it because it destroys your propaganda.

It says the Arab population, you nitwit. You can't even lie well.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land."

It says the Arab population, you nitwit.

And it fails to mention the Palestinian population.
That must mean the Palestinians own 0%.

 

[Roudy]

Why do you deny fact:

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947​

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land.

"A 364 of 3 September 1947


And Phoney, don't try your semantics trick by trying to claim possession does not mean ownership. The Survey states ownership plainly for 1943 when it was over 95% Muslim and Christian ownership.

Yep 94.2% ottoman muslim and only 0.8% arab muslim. You really need to read your source for the details. Shows that the Jews owned more land than the arab muslims which everway you try and fiddle the figures. By the way you can possess a stolen car, but you will never own it, when you understand this you will realise that you have been posting false propaganda all this time.

Now why don't you post table one any more, is it because it destroys your propaganda.

It says the Arab population, you nitwit. You can't even lie well.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land."

Yes, after the Arab invasion. Jerusalem had Jewish majority in the 1800's.

 

[Roudy]

The usual fairy tales from Hasbara edited wiki, Now the facts:

"In 63 BC, Judaea became a protectorate of Rome. Coming under the administration of a governor, Judaea was allowed a king; the governor's business was to regulate trade and maximize tax revenue. While the Jews despised the Greeks, theRomans were a nightmare. Governorships were bought at high prices; the governors would attempt to squeeze as much revenue as possible from their regions and pocket as much as they could. Even with a Jewish king, the Judaeans revolted in 70 AD, a desperate revolt that ended tragically. In 73 AD, the last of the revolutionaries were holed up in a mountain fort called Masada; the Romans had besieged the fort for two years, and the 1,000 men, women, and children inside were beginning to starve. In desperation, the Jewish revolutionaries killed themselves rather than surrender to the Romans. The Romans then destroyed Jerusalem, annexed Judaea as a Roman province, and systematically drove the Jews from Palestine. After 73 AD, Hebrew history would only be the history of the Diaspora as the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe."

The Diaspora Jewish Virtual Library

DIASPORA, dumbass retard. Ha ha ha.

We are talking about Jewish history in the land of Israel, not in the DIASPORA. Fucking idiot.

Ottoman rule (1517–1917)

The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses. Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara andSolomon Alkabetz. The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan. A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrew printing press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.

You really should stop posting from Jew propaganda sites and read some historical fact.

"The Romans then destroyed Jerusalem, annexed Judaea as a Roman province, and systematically drove the Jews from Palestine. After 73 AD, Hebrew history would only be the history of the Diaspora as the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe."

The Diaspora Jewish Virtual Library

You are obviously hanging on to straws. Yes, there is a history of Jews in the diaspora, and then there is a history of Jews in the land of Israel itself.

The Jews kept coming back, over, and over and over. The historical evidence is irrefutable:


History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Byzantine period (324–638)

Jews probably constituted the majority of the population of Palestine until the 4th-century, when Constantine converted to Christianity.

Jews lived in at least forty-three Jewish communities in Palestine: twelve towns on the coast, in the Negev, and east of the Jordan, and thirty-one villages in Galilee and in the Jordan valley. The persecuted Jews of Palestine revolted twice against their Christian rulers. In the 5th century, the Western Roman Empire collapsed leading to Christian migration into Palestine and development of a Christian majority. Jews numbered 10–15% of the population. Judaism was the only non-Christian religion tolerated, but there were bans on Jews building new places of worship, holding public office or owning slaves. There were also two Samaritan revolts in this period.[65]

In 438, The Empress Eudocia removed the ban on Jews' praying at the Temple site and the heads of the Community in Galilee issued a call "to the great and mighty people of the Jews": "Know that the end of the exile of our people has come"!

In about 450, the Jerusalem Talmud was completed.

According to Procopius, in 533 Byzantine general Belisarius took the treasures of the Jewish temple from Vandals who had taken them from Rome.

In 611, Sassanid Persia invaded the Byzantine Empire. In 613, a Jewish revolt against the Byzantine Empire joined forces with these Persian invaders to capture Jerusalem in 614. The Jews gained autonomy in Jerusalem, until in 617 when the Persians betrayed agreements and withdrew their forces from the region. With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias.
Middle Ages (636–1517)After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.
In the mid-8th-century, taking advantage of the warring Islamic factions in Palestine, a false messiah named Abu Isa Obadiah of Isfahan inspired and organised a group of 10,000 armed Jews who hoped to restore the Holy Land to the Jewish nation.

In 1039, part of the synagogue in Ramla was still in ruins, probably resulting from the earthquake of 1033. Jews also returned to Rafah and documents from 1015 and 1080 attest to a significant community there.

A large Jewish community existed in Ramle and smaller communities inhabited Hebron and the coastal cities of Acre, Caesarea, Jaffa, Ashkelon and Gaza.[citation needed]Al-Muqaddasi (985) wrote that "for the most part the assayers of corn, dyers, bankers, and tanners are Jews." Under the Islamic rule, the rights of Jews and Christians were curtailed and residence was permitted upon payment of the special tax.

Between the 7th and 11th centuries, Masoretes (Jewish scribes) in the Galilee and Jerusalem were active in compiling a system of pronunciation and grammatical guides of the Hebrew language. They authorised the division of the Jewish Tanakh, known as the Masoretic Text, which is regarded as authoritative till today.

Ottoman rule (1517–1917)

The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses. Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara andSolomon Alkabetz. The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan. A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrewprinting press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.
Old YishuvJewish life in the Land of Israel

Key events

• Aliya of Nachmanides (1267)
• Hebron and Safed massacres (1517)
• Revival of Tiberias (1563)
• Sack of Tiberias (1660)
• Hebron massacre (1834)
• Safed attack (1838)
• Jerusalem expansion
• Petach Tikva founded (1878)

Key figures

• Ishtori Haparchi (d. 1313)
• Joseph Saragossi (d. 1507)
• Obadiah MiBartenura (d. 1515)
• Levi ibn Habib (d. 1545)
• Jacob Berab (d. 1546)
• Joseph Nasi (d. 1579)
• Moses Galante (d. 1689)
• Moses ibn Habib (d. 1696)
• Yehuda he-Hasid (d. 1700)
• Haim Abulafia (d. 1744)
• Menachem Mendel (d. 1788)
• Haim Farhi (d. 1820)
• Jacob Saphir (d. 1886)
• Haim Aharon Valero (d. 1923)

• Ramban (1267)

• Abraham Avinu (1540)

• Johanan ben Zakai (1600s)

In around 1563, Joseph Nasi secured permission from Sultan Selim II to acquire Tiberias and seven surrounding villages to create a Jewish city-state. He hoped that large numbers of Jewish refugees and Marranos would settle there, free from fear and oppression; indeed, the persecuted Jews of Cori, Italy, numbering about 200 souls, decided to emigrate to Tiberias.Nasi had the walls of the town rebuilt by 1564 and attempted to turn it into a self-sufficient textile manufacturing center by planting mulberry trees for the cultivation of silk. Nevertheless, a number of factors during the following years contributed to the plan's ultimate failure. Nasi's aunt, Doña Gracia Mendes Nasi supported ayeshiva in the town for many years until her death in 1569.

In 1567, a Yemenite scholar and Rabbi, Zechariah Dhahiri, visited Safed and wrote of his experiences in a book entitled Sefer Ha-Musar. His vivid descriptions of the town Safed and of Rabbi Joseph Karo’s yeshiva are of primary importance to historians, seeing that they are a first-hand account of these places, and the only extant account which describes the yeshiva of the great Sephardic Rabbi, Joseph Karo.[127]

In 1576, the Jewish community of Safed faced an expulsion order: 1,000 prosperous families were to be deported to Cyprus, "for the good of the said island", with another 500 the following year.[128] The order was later rescinded due to the realisation of the financial gains of Jewish rental income.[129] In 1586, the Jews of Istanbul agreed to build a fortified khan to provide a refuge for Safed's Jews against "night bandits and armed thieves."[128]

In 1569, the Radbaz moved to Jerusalem, but soon moved to Safed to escape the high taxes imposed on Jews by the authorities.

In 1610, the Yochanan ben Zakai Synagogue in Jerusalem was completed.[130] It became the main synagogue of the Sephardic Jews, the place where their chief rabbi was invested. The adjacent study hall which had been added by 1625 later became the Synagogue of Elijah the Prophet.[130]
Installation of the Chacham Bashi at the Ben Zakai Synagogue, 1893. According to legend, the synagogue stands on the site of the study hall of 1st-century sage, RabbanYochanan ben Zakai. The current building was constructed in 1610.



The Near East earthquake of 1759 destroys much of Safed killing 2000 people with 190 Jews among the dead, and also destroys Tiberias.

The disciples of the Vilna Gaon settled in the land of Israel almost a decade after the arrival of two of his pupils, R. Hayim of Vilna and R. Israel ben Samuel of Shklov. In all there were three groups of the Gaon's students which emigrated to the land of Israel. They formed the basis of the Ashkenazi communities of Jerusalem and Safed, setting up what was known as the Kollel Perushim. Their arrival encouraged an Ashkenazi revival in Jerusalem, whose Jewish community until this time was mostly Sephardi. Many of the descendants of the disciples became leading figures in modern Israeli society. The Gaon himself also set forth with his pupils to the Land, but for an unknown reason he turned back and returned to Vilna where he died soon after.

During the Peasants' Revolt under Muhammad Ali of Egypt's occupation, Jews were targeted in the 1834 looting of Safed and the 1834 Hebron massacre. By 1844,some sources report that Jews had become the largest population group in Jerusalem and by 1890 an absolute majority in the city.

 

[SAYIT]

ABBAS has made his policies clear: Peace Offerings....

Camel crap. Abbas would not survive any sincere attempt to make peace with Israel ... his more virulent comrades would snip off his head.

This war has gone beyond the Palestinians who are pawns in a wider war...The Islam of the common people against Western Imperialism is growing, a wider war is brewing!

The conflict (it's hardly a war) has from its start been a regional one with the local Arabs as cannon fodder. Their Muslim "brethren" and global Nazi-types have kept those hapless "refugees" in squalid camps in order to foment the anger and desperation necessary to maintain the conflict. As that reality has become apparent to the locals and the international community, much of the support for their violence has quietly dissipated. During 2014's Operation Protective Edge the Arab World (even Hezbollah) was strangely quiet or even aligned with Israel in an entirely new dynamic:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/w...tates-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html

Poor Sniffer, still seeing Nazis everywhere she goes...Its not rational yet you think that discussion in this conflict is based on love or hate for Israel rather than the simple Land taking by Western Imperialism after WWll...
Now you on the other hand irrationally think that people are opposed to Israel on the basis of Religion and therefore land theft is justified like the Israeli government in this OP....
That's what the Arabs see, 500 million of them being joined by 1.5 billion Muslims because people like you have turned this conflict into a Religious war.

Evidently there are no pictures so you avoided the NY Times article. It says that what you believe to be 2 billion Muslims prepared to go all "Holy War" on Israel sat quietly on their hands (or supported Israel) while their Gaza "brethren" had their asses handed to 'em during Operation Protective Edge.
I realize it hurts you but try to think about exactly what that means.

From the Times article:
After the military ouster of the Islamist government in Cairo last year, Egypt has led a new coalition of Arab states — including Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates — that has effectively lined up with Israel in its fight against Hamas, the Islamist movement that controls the Gaza Strip...

“The Arab states’ loathing and fear of political Islam is so strong that it outweighs their allergy to Benjamin Netanyahu,” the prime minister of Israel, said Aaron David Miller, a scholar at the Wilson Center in Washington and a former Middle East negotiator under several presidents.

“I have never seen a situation like it, where you have so many Arab states acquiescing in the death and destruction in Gaza and the pummeling of Hamas,” he said. “The silence is deafening.”

 

[pbel]

ABBAS has made his policies clear: Peace Offerings....

Camel crap. Abbas would not survive any sincere attempt to make peace with Israel ... his more virulent comrades would snip off his head.

This war has gone beyond the Palestinians who are pawns in a wider war...The Islam of the common people against Western Imperialism is growing, a wider war is brewing!

The conflict (it's hardly a war) has from its start been a regional one with the local Arabs as cannon fodder. Their Muslim "brethren" and global Nazi-types have kept those hapless "refugees" in squalid camps in order to foment the anger and desperation necessary to maintain the conflict. As that reality has become apparent to the locals and the international community, much of the support for their violence has quietly dissipated. During 2014's Operation Protective Edge the Arab World (even Hezbollah) was strangely quiet or even aligned with Israel in an entirely new dynamic:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/w...tates-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html

Poor Sniffer, still seeing Nazis everywhere she goes...Its not rational yet you think that discussion in this conflict is based on love or hate for Israel rather than the simple Land taking by Western Imperialism after WWll...
Now you on the other hand irrationally think that people are opposed to Israel on the basis of Religion and therefore land theft is justified like the Israeli government in this OP....
That's what the Arabs see, 500 million of them being joined by 1.5 billion Muslims because people like you have turned this conflict into a Religious war.

Evidently there are no pictures so you avoided the NY Times article. It says that what you believe to be 2 billion Muslims prepared to go all "Holy War" on Israel sat quietly on their hands (or supported Israel) while their Gaza "brethren" had their asses handed to 'em during Operation Protective Edge.
I realize it hurts you but try to think about exactly what that means.

It means that the Arab Dictators, Sheiks and Kings fear their-own people than Israel who uses their partnership with AIPAC political money to project American Power to cower her opponents...

This arrangement will fall in due time as the Arab popular revolutions mature into Arab Democracies along with the growing realization on American Campuses for this Faustian deal...

Israel is on the wrong side of the human Dialectic for Liberty from foreign influence and freedom...

 

[SAYIT]

ABBAS has made his policies clear: Peace Offerings....

Camel crap. Abbas would not survive any sincere attempt to make peace with Israel ... his more virulent comrades would snip off his head.

This war has gone beyond the Palestinians who are pawns in a wider war...The Islam of the common people against Western Imperialism is growing, a wider war is brewing!

The conflict (it's hardly a war) has from its start been a regional one with the local Arabs as cannon fodder. Their Muslim "brethren" and global Nazi-types have kept those hapless "refugees" in squalid camps in order to foment the anger and desperation necessary to maintain the conflict. As that reality has become apparent to the locals and the international community, much of the support for their violence has quietly dissipated. During 2014's Operation Protective Edge the Arab World (even Hezbollah) was strangely quiet or even aligned with Israel in an entirely new dynamic:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/w...tates-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html

Poor Sniffer, still seeing Nazis everywhere she goes...Its not rational yet you think that discussion in this conflict is based on love or hate for Israel rather than the simple Land taking by Western Imperialism after WWll...
Now you on the other hand irrationally think that people are opposed to Israel on the basis of Religion and therefore land theft is justified like the Israeli government in this OP....
That's what the Arabs see, 500 million of them being joined by 1.5 billion Muslims because people like you have turned this conflict into a Religious war.

Evidently there are no pictures so you avoided the NY Times article. It says that what you believe to be 2 billion Muslims prepared to go all "Holy War" on Israel sat quietly on their hands (or supported Israel) while their Gaza "brethren" had their asses handed to 'em during Operation Protective Edge.
I realize it hurts you but try to think about exactly what that means.

It means that the Arab Dictators, Sheiks and Kings fear their-own people than Israel who uses their partnership with AIPAC political money to project American Power to cower her opponents...

This arrangement will fall in due time as the Arab popular revolutions mature into Arab Democracies along with the growing realization on American Campuses for this Faustian deal...

Israel is on the wrong side of the human Dialectic for Liberty from foreign influence and freedom...

Do you understand the concept of "wishful thinking?" You are once again whistling past the graveyard. Your "Arab Spring" has morphed in a cold, dark, Arab Winter with only the originator - Tunisia - enjoying any perceptible socio-political gains. The old saw about democracy and Arab-Islamism being incompatible has once again proven true.

 

[pbel]

ABBAS has made his policies clear: Peace Offerings....

Camel crap. Abbas would not survive any sincere attempt to make peace with Israel ... his more virulent comrades would snip off his head.

This war has gone beyond the Palestinians who are pawns in a wider war...The Islam of the common people against Western Imperialism is growing, a wider war is brewing!

The conflict (it's hardly a war) has from its start been a regional one with the local Arabs as cannon fodder. Their Muslim "brethren" and global Nazi-types have kept those hapless "refugees" in squalid camps in order to foment the anger and desperation necessary to maintain the conflict. As that reality has become apparent to the locals and the international community, much of the support for their violence has quietly dissipated. During 2014's Operation Protective Edge the Arab World (even Hezbollah) was strangely quiet or even aligned with Israel in an entirely new dynamic:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/w...tates-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html

Poor Sniffer, still seeing Nazis everywhere she goes...Its not rational yet you think that discussion in this conflict is based on love or hate for Israel rather than the simple Land taking by Western Imperialism after WWll...
Now you on the other hand irrationally think that people are opposed to Israel on the basis of Religion and therefore land theft is justified like the Israeli government in this OP....
That's what the Arabs see, 500 million of them being joined by 1.5 billion Muslims because people like you have turned this conflict into a Religious war.

Evidently there are no pictures so you avoided the NY Times article. It says that what you believe to be 2 billion Muslims prepared to go all "Holy War" on Israel sat quietly on their hands (or supported Israel) while their Gaza "brethren" had their asses handed to 'em during Operation Protective Edge.
I realize it hurts you but try to think about exactly what that means.

It means that the Arab Dictators, Sheiks and Kings fear their-own people than Israel who uses their partnership with AIPAC political money to project American Power to cower her opponents...

This arrangement will fall in due time as the Arab popular revolutions mature into Arab Democracies along with the growing realization on American Campuses for this Faustian deal...

Israel is on the wrong side of the human Dialectic for Liberty from foreign influence and freedom...

Do you understand the concept of "wishful thinking?" You are once again whistling past the graveyard. Your "Arab Spring" has morphed in a cold, dark, Arab Winter with only the originator - Tunisia - enjoying any perceptible socio-political gains. The old saw about democracy and Arab-Islamism being incompatible has once again proven true.

Proven true? Stop your wishful thinking and braying like a Jack-Ass in a circus and offer us your proof with a link from a non-Zionist source!

 

[member]

And yet according to the God of Abraham, He is the one who gathered them home, to where they are, and where His Son will spend eternity in their midst.
Either God is the thief, or they are right where they belong....

The Palestinian's are the direct decendents of the ancient Israelites.

The Israeli's, are just a bunch of war-mongering wanna-be's, with no lineage to the ancient Hebrews.[/QUOTE]


this is what's bothering you.....the core of it all.

"The Palestinian's are the direct decendents of the ancient Israelites."

Then, how come they're not all practicing..... jewish-palestinians ?

when did they start.... turning ?





besides: "ancient Hebrews." it was for always.

 

[Roudy]

"The Palestinians are the direct descendants of the ancient Israelites"

"The Palestinians are the direct descendants of the ancient Israelites"

"The Palestinians are the direct descendants of the ancient Israelites"

"The Palestinians are the direct descendants of the ancient Israelites"

"The Palestinians are the direct descendants of the ancient Israelites"

 

[montelatici]

So you have no problem with stealing land that others were living on and taking it for your own, even though it was never yours to begin with? So now say if Iran bombed Tel Aviv and moved Iranians in that would be just fine as well.

How about if an Indian comes to your home or apt and said my relatives lived here 2600 years ago, and I want it now, would you say OK, let me pack my stuff?

So you have no problem with stealing land

Which land was stolen?
Who was it stolen from?

Whoever was living there, they are called Palestinians.

So if I went to Palestine on holiday I would then be a Palestinian. You do realise that up until 1960 the only Palestinians in existence were the Jews.

Do you realize you are full of shit, as usual. Christian and Muslim Palestinians, formerly Ottoman subjects, acquired Palestinian nationality automatically upon the establishment of the Mandate.

You are confusing "naturalization" laws that applied to invading European Jews.

LEAGUE OF NATIONS


PERMANENT MANDATES COMMISSION


MINUTES
OF THE
FIFTEENTH SESSION

Held at Geneva from October 24th to November 11th, 1927.

including the
REPORT OF THE COMMISSION TO THE COUNCIL​

"................those Arabs who were ex-Ottoman subjects and acquired Palestinian citizenship automatically were not required, under the conditions of the law, to apply for such certificates."

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 12th session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 11 November 1927

Wrong as yu miss out the rider at the beginning of the report. The MANDATE OF PALESTINE hereinafter called Palestine. Followed by the mandatory power shall enact a citizenship law and make all subjects mandate of Palestine citizens

You are the biggest bullshitter around. It says no such thing.

 

[montelatici]

The usual fairy tales from Hasbara edited wiki, Now the facts:

"In 63 BC, Judaea became a protectorate of Rome. Coming under the administration of a governor, Judaea was allowed a king; the governor's business was to regulate trade and maximize tax revenue. While the Jews despised the Greeks, theRomans were a nightmare. Governorships were bought at high prices; the governors would attempt to squeeze as much revenue as possible from their regions and pocket as much as they could. Even with a Jewish king, the Judaeans revolted in 70 AD, a desperate revolt that ended tragically. In 73 AD, the last of the revolutionaries were holed up in a mountain fort called Masada; the Romans had besieged the fort for two years, and the 1,000 men, women, and children inside were beginning to starve. In desperation, the Jewish revolutionaries killed themselves rather than surrender to the Romans. The Romans then destroyed Jerusalem, annexed Judaea as a Roman province, and systematically drove the Jews from Palestine. After 73 AD, Hebrew history would only be the history of the Diaspora as the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe."

The Diaspora Jewish Virtual Library

DIASPORA, dumbass retard. Ha ha ha.

We are talking about Jewish history in the land of Israel, not in the DIASPORA. Fucking idiot.

Ottoman rule (1517–1917)

The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses. Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara andSolomon Alkabetz. The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan. A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrew printing press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.

You really should stop posting from Jew propaganda sites and read some historical fact.

"The Romans then destroyed Jerusalem, annexed Judaea as a Roman province, and systematically drove the Jews from Palestine. After 73 AD, Hebrew history would only be the history of the Diaspora as the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe."

The Diaspora Jewish Virtual Library

You are obviously hanging on to straws. Yes, there is a history of Jews in the diaspora, and then there is a history of Jews in the land of Israel itself.

The Jews kept coming back, over, and over and over. The historical evidence is irrefutable:


History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Byzantine period (324–638)

Jews probably constituted the majority of the population of Palestine until the 4th-century, when Constantine converted to Christianity.

Jews lived in at least forty-three Jewish communities in Palestine: twelve towns on the coast, in the Negev, and east of the Jordan, and thirty-one villages in Galilee and in the Jordan valley. The persecuted Jews of Palestine revolted twice against their Christian rulers. In the 5th century, the Western Roman Empire collapsed leading to Christian migration into Palestine and development of a Christian majority. Jews numbered 10–15% of the population. Judaism was the only non-Christian religion tolerated, but there were bans on Jews building new places of worship, holding public office or owning slaves. There were also two Samaritan revolts in this period.[65]

In 438, The Empress Eudocia removed the ban on Jews' praying at the Temple site and the heads of the Community in Galilee issued a call "to the great and mighty people of the Jews": "Know that the end of the exile of our people has come"!

In about 450, the Jerusalem Talmud was completed.

According to Procopius, in 533 Byzantine general Belisarius took the treasures of the Jewish temple from Vandals who had taken them from Rome.

In 611, Sassanid Persia invaded the Byzantine Empire. In 613, a Jewish revolt against the Byzantine Empire joined forces with these Persian invaders to capture Jerusalem in 614. The Jews gained autonomy in Jerusalem, until in 617 when the Persians betrayed agreements and withdrew their forces from the region. With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias.
Middle Ages (636–1517)After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.
In the mid-8th-century, taking advantage of the warring Islamic factions in Palestine, a false messiah named Abu Isa Obadiah of Isfahan inspired and organised a group of 10,000 armed Jews who hoped to restore the Holy Land to the Jewish nation.

In 1039, part of the synagogue in Ramla was still in ruins, probably resulting from the earthquake of 1033. Jews also returned to Rafah and documents from 1015 and 1080 attest to a significant community there.

A large Jewish community existed in Ramle and smaller communities inhabited Hebron and the coastal cities of Acre, Caesarea, Jaffa, Ashkelon and Gaza.[citation needed]Al-Muqaddasi (985) wrote that "for the most part the assayers of corn, dyers, bankers, and tanners are Jews." Under the Islamic rule, the rights of Jews and Christians were curtailed and residence was permitted upon payment of the special tax.

Between the 7th and 11th centuries, Masoretes (Jewish scribes) in the Galilee and Jerusalem were active in compiling a system of pronunciation and grammatical guides of the Hebrew language. They authorised the division of the Jewish Tanakh, known as the Masoretic Text, which is regarded as authoritative till today.

Ottoman rule (1517–1917)

The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses. Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara andSolomon Alkabetz. The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan. A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrewprinting press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.
Old YishuvJewish life in the Land of Israel

Key events

• Aliya of Nachmanides (1267)
• Hebron and Safed massacres (1517)
• Revival of Tiberias (1563)
• Sack of Tiberias (1660)
• Hebron massacre (1834)
• Safed attack (1838)
• Jerusalem expansion
• Petach Tikva founded (1878)

Key figures

• Ishtori Haparchi (d. 1313)
• Joseph Saragossi (d. 1507)
• Obadiah MiBartenura (d. 1515)
• Levi ibn Habib (d. 1545)
• Jacob Berab (d. 1546)
• Joseph Nasi (d. 1579)
• Moses Galante (d. 1689)
• Moses ibn Habib (d. 1696)
• Yehuda he-Hasid (d. 1700)
• Haim Abulafia (d. 1744)
• Menachem Mendel (d. 1788)
• Haim Farhi (d. 1820)
• Jacob Saphir (d. 1886)
• Haim Aharon Valero (d. 1923)

• Ramban (1267)

• Abraham Avinu (1540)

• Johanan ben Zakai (1600s)

In around 1563, Joseph Nasi secured permission from Sultan Selim II to acquire Tiberias and seven surrounding villages to create a Jewish city-state. He hoped that large numbers of Jewish refugees and Marranos would settle there, free from fear and oppression; indeed, the persecuted Jews of Cori, Italy, numbering about 200 souls, decided to emigrate to Tiberias.Nasi had the walls of the town rebuilt by 1564 and attempted to turn it into a self-sufficient textile manufacturing center by planting mulberry trees for the cultivation of silk. Nevertheless, a number of factors during the following years contributed to the plan's ultimate failure. Nasi's aunt, Doña Gracia Mendes Nasi supported ayeshiva in the town for many years until her death in 1569.

In 1567, a Yemenite scholar and Rabbi, Zechariah Dhahiri, visited Safed and wrote of his experiences in a book entitled Sefer Ha-Musar. His vivid descriptions of the town Safed and of Rabbi Joseph Karo’s yeshiva are of primary importance to historians, seeing that they are a first-hand account of these places, and the only extant account which describes the yeshiva of the great Sephardic Rabbi, Joseph Karo.[127]

In 1576, the Jewish community of Safed faced an expulsion order: 1,000 prosperous families were to be deported to Cyprus, "for the good of the said island", with another 500 the following year.[128] The order was later rescinded due to the realisation of the financial gains of Jewish rental income.[129] In 1586, the Jews of Istanbul agreed to build a fortified khan to provide a refuge for Safed's Jews against "night bandits and armed thieves."[128]

In 1569, the Radbaz moved to Jerusalem, but soon moved to Safed to escape the high taxes imposed on Jews by the authorities.

In 1610, the Yochanan ben Zakai Synagogue in Jerusalem was completed.[130] It became the main synagogue of the Sephardic Jews, the place where their chief rabbi was invested. The adjacent study hall which had been added by 1625 later became the Synagogue of Elijah the Prophet.[130]
Installation of the Chacham Bashi at the Ben Zakai Synagogue, 1893. According to legend, the synagogue stands on the site of the study hall of 1st-century sage, RabbanYochanan ben Zakai. The current building was constructed in 1610.



The Near East earthquake of 1759 destroys much of Safed killing 2000 people with 190 Jews among the dead, and also destroys Tiberias.

The disciples of the Vilna Gaon settled in the land of Israel almost a decade after the arrival of two of his pupils, R. Hayim of Vilna and R. Israel ben Samuel of Shklov. In all there were three groups of the Gaon's students which emigrated to the land of Israel. They formed the basis of the Ashkenazi communities of Jerusalem and Safed, setting up what was known as the Kollel Perushim. Their arrival encouraged an Ashkenazi revival in Jerusalem, whose Jewish community until this time was mostly Sephardi. Many of the descendants of the disciples became leading figures in modern Israeli society. The Gaon himself also set forth with his pupils to the Land, but for an unknown reason he turned back and returned to Vilna where he died soon after.

During the Peasants' Revolt under Muhammad Ali of Egypt's occupation, Jews were targeted in the 1834 looting of Safed and the 1834 Hebron massacre. By 1844,some sources report that Jews had become the largest population group in Jerusalem and by 1890 an absolute majority in the city.

Quoting Wiki which is edited by the Hasbara folks every day is only propagating Zionist propaganda. The facts are in the official documents.