Senate panel backs gay marriage ban

[007]

I'm not the one making the claim they are unstable. It is up to those making the accusation to prove their point...

It's not an "accusation". It's a fact. It's up to YOU to disprove it.

It isn't "natural" to dive into water with breathing apparatus, but we do it. It is not "natural" for us to fly in the air, but we have the means and we do it. It is not "natural" to nuke food in a microwave but we do it.

:scratch: :blah2: :talk2:

 

[dmp]

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers...

 

[MissileMan]

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers...

For what motive?

 

[MissileMan]

It's not an "accusation". It's a fact. It's up to YOU to disprove it.

It's not fact, it's opinion. As a matter of fact, it's prejudice. Until gays are given the right to marry, there's no way to know what effect there will be on divorce rates.

 

[dmp]

For what motive?

Ask yourselves. Why have you allowed yourselves to become blinded to very simple truths?

 

[MissileMan]

Ask yourselves. Why have you allowed yourselves to become blinded to very simple truths?

If your god is as powerful as you say, how can I see if he has blinded me as you allege?

 

[dmp]

If your god is as powerful as you say, how can I see if he has blinded me as you allege?

Not "God" - The god of this age. What is your god MM? Look to that as the source of blindness.

 

[MissileMan]

Not "God" - The god of this age. What is your god MM? Look to that as the source of blindness.

Working on the supposition that you're right and I'm wrong, wouldn't you have to say that your God is my god? As such, my questions still stand.

 

[dmp]

Working on the supposition that you're right and I'm wrong, wouldn't you have to say that your God is my god? As such, my questions still stand.

Of course I would not say my God is you God - why would I presume that? The god of the glutton is food. The god of the greedy is money/things. The god of the perverted is sex.

 

[MissileMan]

Of course I would not say my God is you God - why would I presume that? The god of the glutton is food. The god of the greedy is money/things. The god of the perverted is sex.

So your God is only the god of Christians?

 

[sitarro]

1) The tyranny of the majority is not always the best way.
2) You live in a federal republic, not a democracy...

What positive consequences would society see from the marriage of people who engage in sex the incorrect way?

 

[cslaughlin13]

Here is a question that I would like all of the people against gay marriage to answer:
How is having Gay people marry going to affect YOUR personal life? I would really like to know the answer.

 

[Dr Grump]

What positive consequences would society see from the marriage of people who engage in sex the incorrect way?

Why not put EVERYTHING anybody does under the microscope like that. I've asked exactly the same question cslaughlin has asked on many occasions and have yet to receive a satisfactory answer.

You know, the irony is not lost on me the conservatives - neocons in particular - are real big on people not interferring with their lives- especially the govt. Yet, when ti comes to homosexuality, they want control, even when it has no affect on their lives.

 

[dmp]

Here is a question that I would like all of the people against gay marriage to answer:
How is having Gay people marry going to affect YOUR personal life? I would really like to know the answer.

That really is an absurd question. I could probably cite dozens of behaviours which don't affect MY personal life; doesn't mean the behaviour should be sanctioned:

Off the top of my head:

1) Polygamy
2) Child Rape Laws
3) Music Piracy
4) Tax Fraud
5) Horse Thieves

 

[jillian]

That really is an absurd question. I could probably cite dozens of behaviours which don't affect MY personal life; doesn't mean the behaviour should be sanctioned:

Off the top of my head:

1) Polygamy
2) Child Rape Laws
3) Music Piracy
4) Tax Fraud
5) Horse Thieves

Theft, fraud, theft of intellectual property by virtue of music piracy are all theft and are a violation of the ownership rights of the property owner. Rape of a child is rape and is not consented to....nor is a child an adult who can consent to sex.

Your analogy is flawed.

 

[dmp]

Theft, fraud, theft of intellectual property by virtue of music piracy are all theft and are a violation of the ownership rights of the property owner. Rape of a child is rape and is not consented to....nor is a child an adult who can consent to sex.

Your analogy is flawed.

Except it's not. NONE Of those things affect my "PERSONAL" life.

(shrug).

www.hop.com - maybe that'll help?

 

[cslaughlin13]

Except it's not. NONE Of those things affect my "PERSONAL" life.

Here is what I don't get, if it doesn't affect your "personal" (what ever that is supposed to mean) life in any way then why do you care? Is it because some little black book called the bible says that you should try to make other people suffer for being different.


You also said that child rape and various sorts of theft don't affect your life at all, but they are still about stealing. Child rape mentally damages the child (because it is RAPE), in essence it is causing harm to others. How does homosexuality hurt two people when they consent to the sexual practice, nobody is dying, nothing is getting stolen, no one is getting raped.
I just wonder why you care if it really doesn't affect you like you say.

 

[Dr Grump]

Except it's not. NONE Of those things affect my "PERSONAL" life.

(shrug).

www.hop.com - maybe that'll help?

But they affect other peoples' personal lives. Being gay doesn't. Quite simple really (and a REAL bad analogy dmp) :dev1:

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Here is a question that I would like all of the people against gay marriage to answer:
How is having Gay people marry going to affect YOUR personal life? I would really like to know the answer.

If gay marriage is legalized that is essentially accepting the gay lifestyle.

That means wherever and whenever a gay person sticks his business in our faces we have to put up with it...in business, in public, in schools, in social events, the media, etc.... whether it be having to add his "wife" to business's medical plan or a social event or having children exposed to "double daddies" at school functions or in the Boy Scouts or in advertising or TV shows. Then they'll next probably start forcing themselves upon church congregations all in the name of "equality". Of course the next step will be to include the biological mothers or fathers into the equation which will result in "group marriages" or polyamory.

The powers that be who are pushing gay marriage are not really worried about the rights of gay people per se...what they really want is to destroy the social structure as we know it. Socialist and Communist types wish to bring down the strong family unit and religious moral values in order to establish their forms of social control.

If you think the "little black book" called the Bible is hard to live by in a free democracy, try living instead under the "little red book" of Communism.

 

[sitarro]

It won't effect my personal life if homosexuals pretend to marry just as it wouldn't if polygamist marry. It would probably effect my wallet and my and the overall health of the nation which I guess would effect me personally. It would also degrade the morales of this nation even more than it has been degraded already by the idiots involved in the music and film industry. By adding to the mockery that has been placed on the institution of marriage and the raising of kids this nation would head even further toward the abyss. It is all a part of a cummulative push to destroy everything that is decent with this country.

I don't think that anyone should have the right to have kids or marry, it should at least take the effort it takes to get a driver's license to have the privelidge of experiencing both. Obviously there is something extremely wrong with the way marriage is done today, it isn't working. Allowing something as silly as "gay marriage" would do nothing to strengthen the institution. I have known and been friends with many homosexuals, some who were together for a number of years, their lifestyle is not condusive to a successful marriage just as many straight couples that lead similar lifestyles aren't good candidates for marriage. The definition of the word marriage is "the state in which a MAN and a WOMAN a formally united for the purpose of living together(usually in order to procreate children)and with certain legal rights and obligations towards each other".....from the Oxford American Dictionary, I'm tired of having the language corrupted for the sake of one silly group or another. Marriage isn't suppose to be something taken so lightly, it isn't a fad or a joke, it isn't something for imature idiots that can't even figure out who they are. Homosexuals have already done enough to destroy marriage by marrying women or men and then after having children deciding they want to live a different lifestyle. These self absorbed assholes have done more to spread STDs among heterosexuals and destroy families than anything else.

My parents were married 57 years and even though my Father died 3 years ago, my Mother is still madly in love with him and will be until she dies, that is the definition of marriage I was raised with. They had 6 kids on a Air Force pilot's salary yet they worked as a team to do the best they could to fulfill their obligations to themselves as well as their children. There were disagreements and arguements but never any thoughts of breaking the vows that they entered years before. They fixed rather than threw away.

The clowns that want to argue in favor of bastardizing the word and institution of marriage will always be able to come up with examples of normal people that fail at marriage, that does nothing to justify multiplying the problems by adding people that identify themselves totally by who or what they have sex with.

Let's be truthful, homosexual leaders are pushing this for one reason, to legitamize their lifestyle and in turn make it easier to adopt children. This country has enough children being raised the wrong way. Although there are many single parents that do a great job of raising their children, it is far from the ideal way to raise children. A child gets knowledge from both the Mother and Father on how to get through life, without one or the other they miss out on that knowledge and it effects them for many years. Two men or two women don't cut it, if anything it would have to have an influence on the young mind and make the kid more susceptible to that foolish lifestyle just as kids raised by KKK asswipes.