Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Here we go again.

There is no requirement for Palestine to change or negotiate its borders.

I disagree. And so do you.

Peoples have a right to self-determination and sovereignty over territory. You are constantly arguing that. Remember? Inviolable human right. Remember?

The UN reaffirms the Palestinians sovereign rights over their territory.

I don't recall seeing anything similar for the Israelis.

(COMMENT)

Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other State. Everyone, including the Arab Palestinians, understands were the territorial control (territoial sovereignty to the exclusion of any other) of Israel is maintained.

THE QUESTION IS: Where are the boundaries of Palestinian exclusive territorial control? That would be the important piece of ground to the State of Palestine...

NOTE:

And don't come back with that lame response that sovereignty belongs to the people. Clearly that is not the case in many nations, to include a couple of Arab League States.​

Most Respectfully,
R

You are still confusing territorial control (military occupation)
with the right to sovereignty.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Here we go again.

There is no requirement for Palestine to change or negotiate its borders.

I disagree. And so do you.

Peoples have a right to self-determination and sovereignty over territory. You are constantly arguing that. Remember? Inviolable human right. Remember?

The UN reaffirms the Palestinians sovereign rights over their territory.

I don't recall seeing anything similar for the Israelis.

(COMMENT)

Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other State. Everyone, including the Arab Palestinians, understands were the territorial control (territoial sovereignty to the exclusion of any other) of Israel is maintained.

THE QUESTION IS: Where are the boundaries of Palestinian exclusive territorial control? That would be the important piece of ground to the State of Palestine...

NOTE:

And don't come back with that lame response that sovereignty belongs to the people. Clearly that is not the case in many nations, to include a couple of Arab League States.​

Most Respectfully,
R

You are still confusing territorial control (military occupation)
with the right to sovereignty.

Indeed, you are confused with terms and definitions.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Palestine, as a nation, did not become a quasi-nation without borders until 1988.

Why? There have been no treaties changing Palestine's international borders.

(COMMENT)

Here, we have you demonstrating the Ostrich Effect.

There are (obviously) two sets of conditions which you fail to take into account:

• You are mistaking Government in Palestine, subject to the provisions of the Mandate, as some Government under which the Arab Palestinian people had control. While the territory to which the Mandate applied had boundaries, they were not permanent. And the Government of Palestine was not everlasting.

• The initial partitioned Palestine into an Arab and a Jewish State [alla Resolution 181 (II)] was interrupted and mutated as a result of the external interference by armed forces elements of the Arab League. That confrontation did not alter any permanent boundaries, but artifically divided the territory, to which the Mandate once applied, into four elements (simplified thumbnail descriptions):

■ The original 181(II) partition of the Jewish State.
■ The portion of the territory that was under the occupation by the Israelis.
■ The Jordanian Occupation of the West Bank and Jerusalem.
■ The Egyptian Occupation of the Gaza Strip.​

The establishment of the State of Palestine (the State of Palestine shall be an Arab State) in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem in 1988 (three decades past), was ambiguous at best. At that time, there was no territory in which the Arab Palestinian people [represented by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO)] exercised its own authority and enforce territorial control, to the exclusion of either Isreal or one of the Arab League States. It is at this point, one has to ask, what territory was the PLO declared → through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereign?

(What territory was that?)

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

No, I don't think you know what the territorial sovereignty means.

You are still confusing territorial control (military occupation) with the right to sovereignty.

(COMMENT)

√ State Territory and Territorial Sovereignty:

• Sovereignty in regard to a territory is known as territorial sovereignty. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.

• A State exercises its territorial sovereignty within its boundary.

• Boundary is an imaginary line that delineates the territorial limit of a State.​

In order to exercise sovereignty over any given territory, there must be a certain measure of control; enough control to enforce the sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

• Sovereignty in regard to a territory is known as territorial sovereignty. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.

Where is Israel's "own territory?"

Do you have a map without those fake border armistice lines?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

No, I don't think you know what the territorial sovereignty means.

You are still confusing territorial control (military occupation) with the right to sovereignty.

(COMMENT)

√ State Territory and Territorial Sovereignty:

• Sovereignty in regard to a territory is known as territorial sovereignty. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.

• A State exercises its territorial sovereignty within its boundary.

• Boundary is an imaginary line that delineates the territorial limit of a State.​

In order to exercise sovereignty over any given territory, there must be a certain measure of control; enough control to enforce the sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

In order to exercise sovereignty over any given territory, there must be a certain measure of control; enough control to enforce the sovereignty.

Not!

ARTICLE 4
States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933​

You keep confusing rights with military power.

 

[Hollie]

• Sovereignty in regard to a territory is known as territorial sovereignty. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.

Where is Israel's "own territory?"

Do you have a map without those fake border armistice lines?

Did you not understand anything from the description of State Territory and Territorial Sovereignty?

 

[Hollie]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

No, I don't think you know what the territorial sovereignty means.

You are still confusing territorial control (military occupation) with the right to sovereignty.

(COMMENT)

√ State Territory and Territorial Sovereignty:

• Sovereignty in regard to a territory is known as territorial sovereignty. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.

• A State exercises its territorial sovereignty within its boundary.

• Boundary is an imaginary line that delineates the territorial limit of a State.​

In order to exercise sovereignty over any given territory, there must be a certain measure of control; enough control to enforce the sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

In order to exercise sovereignty over any given territory, there must be a certain measure of control; enough control to enforce the sovereignty.

Not!

ARTICLE 4
States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933​

You keep confusing rights with military power.

Indeed, you keep confusing the islamic terrorist mini-caliphates of Gaza and the West Bank with sovereign states, which they are not.

 

[P F Tinmore]

• Sovereignty in regard to a territory is known as territorial sovereignty. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.

Where is Israel's "own territory?"

Do you have a map without those fake border armistice lines?

Did you not understand anything from the description of State Territory and Territorial Sovereignty?

Nice duck.

 

[Hollie]

• Sovereignty in regard to a territory is known as territorial sovereignty. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.

Where is Israel's "own territory?"

Do you have a map without those fake border armistice lines?

Did you not understand anything from the description of State Territory and Territorial Sovereignty?

Nice duck.

You're typically waving the flag of retreat.

 

[danielpalos]

A Deylicate of Palestine could include Israeli input on the Dey.

 

[teddyearp]

You're the fuckers who moved here; they're the fuckers who were here.

Where's here for you Billo? South Street in North Town? LOL!

If you're talking about Long Beach, South Street is in North Town. Unless you consider North Town, north of Artesia. But no, I don't live there. But I do live in Long Beach. Or due to all the gang violence, we natives like to call it, Strong Beach.

Yeah, I used to live in North Town. 65th and Orange. Back when it was the '7' and not the '710'.

But, that's still not here nor there.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Sorry. I did not see this request until just now.

• Sovereignty in regard to a territory is known as territorial sovereignty. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.

Where is Israel's "own territory?"

Do you have a map without those fake border armistice lines?

(COMMENT)

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Sorry. I did not see this request until just now.

• Sovereignty in regard to a territory is known as territorial sovereignty. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.

Where is Israel's "own territory?"

Do you have a map without those fake border armistice lines?

(COMMENT)

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Most Respectfully,
R

So you post a map created by Israel.

 

[Slyhunter]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Sorry. I did not see this request until just now.

• Sovereignty in regard to a territory is known as territorial sovereignty. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.

Where is Israel's "own territory?"

Do you have a map without those fake border armistice lines?

(COMMENT)

View attachment 193194
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Most Respectfully,
R

So you post a map created by Israel.

It's a good map and it shows why the West bank shouldn't even exist.

 

[danielpalos]

Would the Israeli's object to a Deylicate of Palestine, being based in Jerusalem?

In my opinion, the situation in the region is delicate; a Deylicate is indicated.

Once accomplished, loyal subjects would have a Lord spiritual and temporal, upon whom to render all of their problems.

Field Marshals make natural candidates, literally.

Besides, a Dey, should be able to go to any delicate region, and establish Order over Chaos.

And, a Dey may, command economize, any economy within the Deylicate.

full employment of resources is a reasonable goal. along with unemployment compensation, simply for being unemployed; if Capitalism is subscribed to.

 

[rylah]

 

[danielpalos]

A lord spiritual and temporal, to take up all of their problems, that is what the People of Palestine, need.

 

[Sixties Fan]

A lord spiritual and temporal, to take up all of their problems, that is what the People of Palestine, need.

Do you mean Jesus?

 

[danielpalos]

A lord spiritual and temporal, to take up all of their problems, that is what the People of Palestine, need.

Do you mean Jesus?

No, I mean a Dey.

It is time for a new day, in Palestine.