I did not see lack of disipline and removing corporal punishment from schools on the poll list.
Its the third choice:
"Its the total lack of discipline, bring back old style discipline"
You were too lazy to read the list.
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I did not see lack of disipline and removing corporal punishment from schools on the poll list.
Its the third choice:
"Its the total lack of discipline, bring back old style discipline"
You were too lazy to read the list.
I do computer forensics for a job and while its also interesting you need a lot of training and computer understanding. I wish students who get more computer training b/c our field is begging for competent people.
government and unions are the problem. if you want your kid educated you either need the best private schools, but evne those are straddled by wasting time in order to meet state standards. if you can't home school then you need to spend an extra hour or two a day teaching your kid beyond what they learn in school.
you also need to make them read real books and not the watered down crap they push today. go on amazon and find the orginal versions not the "abridged, PC, don't offend anyone" crap. They also need to read daily
Oh yea. Home school will work. "Meeting standards" is "bad".
it sure will. american standards are a joke. my stepson attends regular school, but in math and science we work with him extra to teach him to india's and other international standards. america's are a joke.
we are considering homeschool any future kids. at least until 3rd or 4th grade. he/she would be equivalent to 8th graders in america academically if we did this.
I did not see lack of disipline and removing corporal punishment from schools on the poll list.
Its the third choice:
"Its the total lack of discipline, bring back old style discipline"
You were too lazy to read the list.
I do computer forensics for a job and while its also interesting you need a lot of training and computer understanding. I wish students who get more computer training b/c our field is begging for competent people.
Have you compared what you're paid, to what you'd get paid training?
Would YOU like to train people?
The US Department of Education needs to be complete vaporized.
We need a broad, diverse, comprehensive educational system that recognizes that students need the following:
Proficiency in Communication skills (reading, writing, computer)
Proficiency in basic math
Basic Finance (balancing a check book and studying how people get rich)
American Government (Basic understanding of why we're special and what separates us from the rest of the world and why people line up to come here even illegally)
After that the student should be exposed to a rich diverse Universe of educational opportunities in technology, arts, civil service, trades and crafts, sports, but with a serious emphasis on helping a high school age student understand what is involved in being an auto mechanic, police officer, or investment banker
Oh, that's funny. Especially considering how many Republicans say:
"I made my money the old-fashioned way, I inherited it."
I just sent seed money to a televangelist and god told me to buy gold.
The ROOT causes of the failures of American education are cultural and economic:
In a capitalist soceity, the motivation for education is capitalist gain - go to school so that you can get a 'good' job. In other societies education is a goal unto itself, and is respected in and of itself.
In America, the colleges themselves are capitalistic institutions - thereby promoting themselves as the only recognised means of education, while at the same time providing the poorest quality of education at the highest cost possible.
The result is a society that only educates to the minimum degree needed to hold a job. A society of narrow-minded specialists. Comprehensive thinking all but doesn't exist.
Self-education as a lifetime endevour, combined with formal education, is the only true way that a person can be fully an comprehensively educated. But comprehensive thinking is not rewarded by capitalism, and self-education is not recognised.
Schools should teach critical, analytical and comprehensive thinking. They should also teach continued self-education as a way of life.
For as long as we continue to be a society of narrow-minded specialists, with no respect for anything but the almighty dollar, we'll never even figure out, nor ever agree on, what our problem with education is, much less how to fix it.
It seems that we just aren't well-educated enough.
The US Department of Education needs to be complete vaporized.
We need a broad, diverse, comprehensive educational system that recognizes that students need the following:
Proficiency in Communication skills (reading, writing, computer)
Proficiency in basic math
Basic Finance (balancing a check book and studying how people get rich)
American Government (Basic understanding of why we're special and what separates us from the rest of the world and why people line up to come here even illegally)
After that the student should be exposed to a rich diverse Universe of educational opportunities in technology, arts, civil service, trades and crafts, sports, but with a serious emphasis on helping a high school age student understand what is involved in being an auto mechanic, police officer, or investment banker
parents were immigrants and i was mostly privately schooled. as a result, educational achievement crowded out many of these other values promoted in american culture and public education.
The US has for years assimilated immigrants, brought up those economically disadvantaged, with DOE. Since it's inception, it's been the model of Lilliputians and Gulliver.The US Department of Education needs to be complete vaporized.
We need a broad, diverse, comprehensive educational system that recognizes that students need the following:
Proficiency in Communication skills (reading, writing, computer)
Proficiency in basic math
Basic Finance (balancing a check book and studying how people get rich)
American Government (Basic understanding of why we're special and what separates us from the rest of the world and why people line up to come here even illegally)
After that the student should be exposed to a rich diverse Universe of educational opportunities in technology, arts, civil service, trades and crafts, sports, but with a serious emphasis on helping a high school age student understand what is involved in being an auto mechanic, police officer, or investment banker
let's take for granted that you've got the right formula for education. how will you affect 'a broad, diverse, comprehensive educational system' without the DoE or something just like it?
parents were immigrants and i was mostly privately schooled. as a result, educational achievement crowded out many of these other values promoted in american culture and public education.
Actually, I doubt the fact you were "privately schooled" had nearly as much to do with, "educational achievement crowded out many of these other values promoted in american culture," as the fact your parents were immigrants.
Often, people immigrate to the USA to become more affluent.
This means they come from somewhere that their opportunity to become more affluent is so unlikely that they must actually change citizenship, not a trivial task, and maybe even learn a new language, and a completely new environment, culture, etc.
These circumstances are exactly those which about which I'm speaking: They appreciated the opportunity that was being offered.
parents were immigrants and i was mostly privately schooled. as a result, educational achievement crowded out many of these other values promoted in american culture and public education.
Actually, I doubt the fact you were "privately schooled" had nearly as much to do with, "educational achievement crowded out many of these other values promoted in american culture," as the fact your parents were immigrants.
Often, people immigrate to the USA to become more affluent.
This means they come from somewhere that their opportunity to become more affluent is so unlikely that they must actually change citizenship, not a trivial task, and maybe even learn a new language, and a completely new environment, culture, etc.
These circumstances are exactly those which about which I'm speaking: They appreciated the opportunity that was being offered.
this could be true. i doesn't line up with my personal experience because i think my parents got better educations for free than they paid to get me... at least through high school. plus they retained their citizenship and i've adopted it along with my own. i think lots of asian and indian kids, to hurl out a stereotype, excel in education because of parents who value education for the reasons you point out, though. it's just different from my background. same pressure, same results, different reasoning perhaps.
i think private schools (those i attended, at least) pinch down on freedom in pursuit of discipline as a mode of operation. they tend toward traditional methodologies valuing making the grade over the creativity and hope-spawning tactics to which public schools are increasingly endeared. it is different in that one system is education through ass-kickin and the other is education through a back-rub.
Actually, I doubt the fact you were "privately schooled" had nearly as much to do with, "educational achievement crowded out many of these other values promoted in american culture," as the fact your parents were immigrants.
Often, people immigrate to the USA to become more affluent.
This means they come from somewhere that their opportunity to become more affluent is so unlikely that they must actually change citizenship, not a trivial task, and maybe even learn a new language, and a completely new environment, culture, etc.
These circumstances are exactly those which about which I'm speaking: They appreciated the opportunity that was being offered.
this could be true. i doesn't line up with my personal experience because i think my parents got better educations for free than they paid to get me... at least through high school. plus they retained their citizenship and i've adopted it along with my own. i think lots of asian and indian kids, to hurl out a stereotype, excel in education because of parents who value education for the reasons you point out, though. it's just different from my background. same pressure, same results, different reasoning perhaps.
i think private schools (those i attended, at least) pinch down on freedom in pursuit of discipline as a mode of operation. they tend toward traditional methodologies valuing making the grade over the creativity and hope-spawning tactics to which public schools are increasingly endeared. it is different in that one system is education through ass-kickin and the other is education through a back-rub.
I agree 100%. Those cultures/parents that put a high value on education tend to do what is necessary to insure their children make the maximum effort. They provide the parameters within their culture to maximize success. Funny thing, Asians and Jews tend towards instilling their children with expectations of high academic achievement. Often ignoring the responsibilities of work that I previously posted. They are a consistent exception to my 'rules'.
When I was studying sociology among all the statistics we read, Jews and Irish Catholic females basically beat out all other groups regarding higher education. Why? Expectations.