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I agree 100%. Those cultures/parents that put a high value on education tend to do what is necessary to insure their children make the maximum effort. They provide the parameters within their culture to maximize success. Funny thing, Asians and Jews tend towards instilling their children with expectations of high academic achievement. Often ignoring the responsibilities of work that I previously posted. They are a consistent exception to my 'rules'.
When I was studying sociology among all the statistics we read, Jews and Irish Catholic females basically beat out all other groups regarding higher education. Why? Expectations.
this could be true. i doesn't line up with my personal experience because i think my parents got better educations for free than they paid to get me... at least through high school. plus they retained their citizenship and i've adopted it along with my own. i think lots of asian and indian kids, to hurl out a stereotype, excel in education because of parents who value education for the reasons you point out, though. it's just different from my background. same pressure, same results, different reasoning perhaps.
i think private schools (those i attended, at least) pinch down on freedom in pursuit of discipline as a mode of operation. they tend toward traditional methodologies valuing making the grade over the creativity and hope-spawning tactics to which public schools are increasingly endeared. it is different in that one system is education through ass-kickin and the other is education through a back-rub.
I agree 100%. Those cultures/parents that put a high value on education tend to do what is necessary to insure their children make the maximum effort. They provide the parameters within their culture to maximize success. Funny thing, Asians and Jews tend towards instilling their children with expectations of high academic achievement. Often ignoring the responsibilities of work that I previously posted. They are a consistent exception to my 'rules'.
When I was studying sociology among all the statistics we read, Jews and Irish Catholic females basically beat out all other groups regarding higher education. Why? Expectations.
I would interpret it as the alternative being so consistantly, and as a result, culturally horrifying, that Jews, Asians, even Catholic Females, etc., would sacrifice anything to avoid being undereducated:
Undereducated Jew: How many goy are gonna put up with you on the loading dock?
Undereducated Asian: Yep, we need another guy to carry rocks from a quarry until he drops dead.
Undereducated Irish Catholic Female: Stay home, have babies, and get beat-up on a weekly basis.
spoiled and lazy.
Yep the American way.
The OP was too lazy to include this option in the poll.
just a victim...
Seems to me the way to help our children succeed, is stop being arrogant, and copy educational programs in the rest of the World, that work.
Seems to me the way to help our children succeed, is stop being arrogant, and copy educational programs in the rest of the World, that work.
Right, cut out opportunities to those that have problems at home before they are 15. Good plan.
Truth is, I'd like to see some marrying between European and US paradigms.
The US has for years assimilated immigrants, brought up those economically disadvantaged, with DOE. Since it's inception, it's been the model of Lilliputians and Gulliver.The US Department of Education needs to be complete vaporized.
We need a broad, diverse, comprehensive educational system that recognizes that students need the following:
Proficiency in Communication skills (reading, writing, computer)
Proficiency in basic math
Basic Finance (balancing a check book and studying how people get rich)
American Government (Basic understanding of why we're special and what separates us from the rest of the world and why people line up to come here even illegally)
After that the student should be exposed to a rich diverse Universe of educational opportunities in technology, arts, civil service, trades and crafts, sports, but with a serious emphasis on helping a high school age student understand what is involved in being an auto mechanic, police officer, or investment banker
let's take for granted that you've got the right formula for education. how will you affect 'a broad, diverse, comprehensive educational system' without the DoE or something just like it?
There's no argument that private education, usually parochial has out performed public sector over time, because of higher standards and emphasis on basics. However, immigrants that were not able to access parochial/private, often excelled after public school education.
The US has for years assimilated immigrants, brought up those economically disadvantaged, with DOE. Since it's inception, it's been the model of Lilliputians and Gulliver.let's take for granted that you've got the right formula for education. how will you affect 'a broad, diverse, comprehensive educational system' without the DoE or something just like it?
There's no argument that private education, usually parochial has out performed public sector over time, because of higher standards and emphasis on basics. However, immigrants that were not able to access parochial/private, often excelled after public school education.
Comparing private to public school education is like comparing apples and oranges. By the very fact that parents are paying to send their kid to private school shows that they give a shit about their kids education
Try sending kids from single parent households or from parents who are drug addicts to private schools and see how they compare
Seems to me the way to help our children succeed, is stop being arrogant, and copy educational programs in the rest of the World, that work.
Right, cut out opportunities to those that have problems at home before they are 15. Good plan.
Truth is, I'd like to see some marrying between European and US paradigms.
Seems to me the way to help our children succeed, is stop being arrogant, and copy educational programs in the rest of the World, that work.
Right, cut out opportunities to those that have problems at home before they are 15. Good plan.
Truth is, I'd like to see some marrying between European and US paradigms.
The "point" must have sailed over your head....some systems work and some systems don't. maybe "diversity" is more of a problem than a solution<as an example>?
Maybe the US "one size fits all" is a problem? Kids are not equally gifted with skills.
Look at the NY "Regents Exam" as an example.
Regents Examinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
High achievers need to be challenged. Middle munchers need time to develop. The kids who are not college material need to be taught life skills. IMHO we need to give those kids the same aptitude tests that the kids who enter the military get, not to force them into jobs, but to show them their strengths and weak areas.
Tell me that the liberals won't accept that all kids are not college material?! Then again, why should a kid learn bricklaying when he can sell drugs and become a millionaire?
Seems to me the way to help our children succeed, is stop being arrogant, and copy educational programs in the rest of the World, that work.
Right, cut out opportunities to those that have problems at home before they are 15. Good plan.
Truth is, I'd like to see some marrying between European and US paradigms.
The "point" must have sailed over your head....some systems work and some systems don't. maybe "diversity" is more of a problem than a solution<as an example>?
Maybe the US "one size fits all" is a problem? Kids are not equally gifted with skills.
Look at the NY "Regents Exam" as an example.
Regents Examinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
High achievers need to be challenged. Middle munchers need time to develop. The kids who are not college material need to be taught life skills. IMHO we need to give those kids the same aptitude tests that the kids who enter the military get, not to force them into jobs, but to show them their strengths and weak areas.
Tell me that the liberals won't accept that all kids are not college material?! Then again, why should a kid learn bricklaying when he can sell drugs and become a millionaire?
The US has for years assimilated immigrants, brought up those economically disadvantaged, with DOE. Since it's inception, it's been the model of Lilliputians and Gulliver.let's take for granted that you've got the right formula for education. how will you affect 'a broad, diverse, comprehensive educational system' without the DoE or something just like it?
There's no argument that private education, usually parochial has out performed public sector over time, because of higher standards and emphasis on basics. However, immigrants that were not able to access parochial/private, often excelled after public school education.
Comparing private to public school education is like comparing apples and oranges. By the very fact that parents are paying to send their kid to private school shows that they give a shit about their kids education
Try sending kids from single parent households or from parents who are drug addicts to private schools and see how they compare
Right, cut out opportunities to those that have problems at home before they are 15. Good plan.
Truth is, I'd like to see some marrying between European and US paradigms.
The "point" must have sailed over your head....some systems work and some systems don't. maybe "diversity" is more of a problem than a solution<as an example>?
Maybe the US "one size fits all" is a problem? Kids are not equally gifted with skills.
Look at the NY "Regents Exam" as an example.
Regents Examinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
High achievers need to be challenged. Middle munchers need time to develop. The kids who are not college material need to be taught life skills. IMHO we need to give those kids the same aptitude tests that the kids who enter the military get, not to force them into jobs, but to show them their strengths and weak areas.
Tell me that the liberals won't accept that all kids are not college material?! Then again, why should a kid learn bricklaying when he can sell drugs and become a millionaire?
Hardly. However you seem to have missed my perhaps 100 previous posts on education?
The "point" must have sailed over your head....some systems work and some systems don't. maybe "diversity" is more of a problem than a solution<as an example>?
Maybe the US "one size fits all" is a problem? Kids are not equally gifted with skills.
Look at the NY "Regents Exam" as an example.
Regents Examinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
High achievers need to be challenged. Middle munchers need time to develop. The kids who are not college material need to be taught life skills. IMHO we need to give those kids the same aptitude tests that the kids who enter the military get, not to force them into jobs, but to show them their strengths and weak areas.
Tell me that the liberals won't accept that all kids are not college material?! Then again, why should a kid learn bricklaying when he can sell drugs and become a millionaire?
Hardly. However you seem to have missed my perhaps 100 previous posts on education?
I read all posts on this thread. I just disagree with the ones that seem impractical. You dismissed the idea that the US education system should look at the ones that work "because of some 15 year old"........... who would be swept to the curb???
IMHO a more erudite response would have been to at least look at the top systems and see what you find too __________ .
I just sent seed money to a televangelist and god told me to buy gold.
You're clearly undisciplined.
Hardly. However you seem to have missed my perhaps 100 previous posts on education?
I read all posts on this thread. I just disagree with the ones that seem impractical. You dismissed the idea that the US education system should look at the ones that work "because of some 15 year old"........... who would be swept to the curb???
IMHO a more erudite response would have been to at least look at the top systems and see what you find too __________ .
The 'top systems' make no attempt to educate those that appear to have little academic abilities. Of course we know that much of what appears to be ability is really from the home in enrichment. Educated parents tend to enroll their children in better preschools, read to them, take them to libraries, museums, and other cultural outlets. Their vocabularies are better and they are much more likely to be familiar with items on standardized tests.
Where the US system lets down IMO has been in the jettison of tracking, where parents and kids can see the effects of not working at their highest level. We hold the best back, while not moving the lower kids along.
