Romney to Reid: Put up or Shut Up

[Claudette]

The tax returns, Bain, the dog on the roof and whatever else they throw Romneys way are nothing but deflections. Anything to keep the focus off the economy and UE.

Barry can't run on his record because it sucks the big one. Anything they can throw at Romney as a distraction is what they are gonna do. This tax return bs is just that.

Hell. Barry can't talk about tax returns not being released. His college transcripts are sealed. Nobody seals shit for no reason. Romney should throw that right back in his face. I would.

No. All this tax return bs is nothing but a big deflection from Barrys record as POTUS.

I'm giving it all the attention it deserves. NONE.

 

[editec]

Did Mitt pay ANY taxes during that decade?

Guess we'll never know.

So the RUMOR will never die.

 

[Article 15]

The tax returns, Bain, the dog on the roof and whatever else they throw Romneys way are nothing but deflections. Anything to keep the focus off the economy and UE.

Barry can't run on his record because it sucks the big one. Anything they can throw at Romney as a distraction is what they are gonna do. This tax return bs is just that.

Hell. Barry can't talk about tax returns not being released. His college transcripts are sealed. Nobody seals shit for no reason. Romney should throw that right back in his face. I would.

No. All this tax return bs is nothing but a big deflection from Barrys record as POTUS.

I'm giving it all the attention it deserves. NONE.

Actually, what he's doing at this point in the campaign is wisely defining Romney before Romney can define himself.

"Barry" is cleaning "Mitt's" clock.

 

[Claudette]

The tax returns, Bain, the dog on the roof and whatever else they throw Romneys way are nothing but deflections. Anything to keep the focus off the economy and UE.

Barry can't run on his record because it sucks the big one. Anything they can throw at Romney as a distraction is what they are gonna do. This tax return bs is just that.

Hell. Barry can't talk about tax returns not being released. His college transcripts are sealed. Nobody seals shit for no reason. Romney should throw that right back in his face. I would.

No. All this tax return bs is nothing but a big deflection from Barrys record as POTUS.

I'm giving it all the attention it deserves. NONE.

Actually, what he's doing at this point in the campaign is wisely defining Romney before Romney can define himself.

"Barry" is cleaning "Mitt's" clock.

LOL Guess we'll see in Nov there Arty.

 

[Ravi]

I think Reid is probably correct. The ultra rich can easily avoid paying taxes so it isn't a stretch to believe that Mitten went ten years without paying them.

How to Pay No Taxes: 10 Strategies Used by the Rich - Businessweek

 

[Neotrotsky]

I'm not sure why you quoted me, since I don't understand the connection between your statement and mine. I also don't understand the significance of your statement. Are you suggesting that Reid broke the law? If so, could you clarify which sections/subsections you are invoking? I haven't read the entire law of course, but it would seem to prevent Reid from repeating information he had obtained from federal sources such as the IRS or FBI, none of the sections I see say anything about whether he can repeat information he obtained from private sources.

I just did

shall disclose any return or return information obtained by him in any manner in connection with his service as such an officer or an employee or otherwise or under the provisions of this section. For purposes of this subsection, the term “officer or employee” includes a former officer or employee.
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As I said
A gov't employee releasing taxpayer information
of any type is usually a crime

Perhaps you can quote the law where a gov't
employee is allowed to release tax payer information
without permission

I'm having a horrible time parsing your incomplete sentence(s). In the interests of clarifying our communication I'm going to paraphrase what I understand you to be saying. Please correct me if I have misunderstood you:

Neotrotsky: I didn't have any particular reason for quoting your earlier statement. I am indeed suggesting that Reid broke the law. I cite the following passage as the relevant statute... I reiterate my claim that for a government employee to release taxpayer information without the permission of the taxpayer is usually a crime. As such, I challenge you to cite a federal statute that would supersede the one I offered.

And now my reply:

Let us look at the entire subsection (or section or whatever) as you quoted it:

(3) no other person (or officer or employee thereof) who has or had access to returns or return information under subsection (e)(1)(D)(iii), paragraph (6), (10), (12), (16), (19), (20), or (21) of subsection (l), paragraph (2) or (4)(B) of subsection (m), orsubsection (n),
shall disclose any return or return information obtained by him in any manner in connection with his service as such an officer or an employee or otherwise or under the provisions of this section. For purposes of this subsection, the term “officer or employee” includes a former officer or employee.

As I earlier alluded to, the subsection does not apply to a government official such as Reid who obtained tax information from a private party. If the anonymous source had truthfully said to Reid, "I saw Romney's return, and he listed zero tax liability" then Reid may indeed have broken the law. However, there is no evidence that Reid's source (assuming that it exists) cited Romney's return (why, after all, would a "Bain investor" be looking at Romney's personal tax returns?).

A review of what the law you cited defines as "return information" makes this distinction clear (26 USC § 6103 - Confidentiality and disclosure of returns and return information | LII / Legal Information Institute

(2) Return information
The term “return information” means—
(A) a taxpayer’s identity, the nature, source, or amount of his income, payments, receipts, deductions, exemptions, credits, assets, liabilities, net worth, tax liability, tax withheld, deficiencies, overassessments, or tax payments, whether the taxpayer’s return was, is being, or will be examined or subject to other investigation or processing, or any other data, received by, recorded by, prepared by, furnished to, or collected by the Secretary with respect to a return or with respect to the determination of the existence, or possible existence, of liability (or the amount thereof) of any person under this title for any tax, penalty, interest, fine, forfeiture, or other imposition, or offense,

By your logic, Romney's identity is just as confidential as his tax liabilities. No federal employee would be allowed to repeat Romney's name if they ever heard it as part of their official duties. In fact, of course, the law only prevents such employees from reading his name or anything else off of his tax return, not from obtaining it from other sources.

Given that I don't believe the law you cite applies to the case at hand, the need to cite a superseding law (which I doubt exists) is moot.

Assuming that an investigation opened up into whether Reid did break the law (which, for reasons stated above, I find very unlikely) Romney would have more to fear than Reid. After all, the investigation would have to demonstrate that Reid's claims were true to show that Reid disclosed information.

As an aside, I am moderately impressed by the actual IRS agents who are indeed abiding by the law and resolutely protecting Romney's privacy (and that of everyone else). This much-maligned institution is leak-proof to a degree that other federal branches (including the national security apparatus) can only hope to be.

EDIT: I have finished reviewing each of the 13 areas of the law cited in the part you cited (but which you did not provide as requested) and indeed they all deal with official sources rather than information passed through private third parties. For example, under paragraph (12) of subsection (l) if Romney had called up Reid and showed Reid his (Romney's) tax return to prove Romney's employment status for the purposes of determining Medicare eligibility [in this hypothetical let us ignore the fact that this is not the sort of request that would typically be made to a Senator, particularly one of a different state] then Reid would be barred from disclosing this information about Romney's employment status.

Interesting that after all these years in public life and different offices
this non issue is being pursed by the left

The law is pretty clear - reread it
no disclosure of any information

So lets set the record straight-
you firmly believe that disclosure of tax payer
information on the Senate floor by a Senator is perfectly legal?

So Reid could disclose your tax information tomorrow
on the Senate floor and that would be legal

 

[zeke]

So Reid could disclose your tax information tomorrow
on the Senate floor and that would be legal

So you think that just by saying that a person did or did not pay taxes is crime enough (under disclosure laws) to bring some sort of charges? I say get a lawyer and go for it. LMAO.

Mitt has a tax problem. He is damned if he does and damned if he dont. And I really appreciate ole Harry putting him in this box. Good job Harry.

 

[Warrior102]

YAY! Go for that old bastards throat Governor. Now that senile old prick is saying "the words out that Romney didn't pay his taxes". Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. He starts the rumour and then says the words out.

From an interview with Hannity:

But Romney forcefully denied Reid's allegations on Hannity's radio show Thursday.

"Harry’s going to have to describe who it is he spoke with, because, of course, that is totally and completely wrong," Romney said. "It’s untrue, dishonest and inaccurate. It’s wrong.



But here's the part I really love

"So, I’m looking forward to have Harry reveal his sources, and we will probably find out it’s the White House."

Read more: Romney to Reid: 'Put up or shut up' on source of 'untrue' tax claims | Fox News

That's the way to do it Mitt. Call these bastards on their bullshit claims right away...

 

[Article 15]

Thanks for the help keeping the story in the news cycle, Mitt!

 

[Neotrotsky]

So Reid could disclose your tax information tomorrow
on the Senate floor and that would be legal

So you think that just by saying that a person did or did not pay taxes is crime enough (under disclosure laws) to bring some sort of charges? I say get a lawyer and go for it. LMAO.

Mitt has a tax problem. He is damned if he does and damned if he dont. And I really appreciate ole Harry putting him in this box. Good job Harry.

Not at all
the attempt to release information would be the crime
The information being wrong would not be a factor that
would play a role in determining the sentence.



The "McCarthyism" from Reid on these issue shows how far the
left has fallen..

Jon Stewart ripped Reid on last night’s show for the original accusation

When the Left has lost Stewart on this, you
know it is over for the Left. Outside of the extreme left
who will hang on

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

YAY! Go for that old bastards throat Governor. Now that senile old prick is saying "the words out that Romney didn't pay his taxes". Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. He starts the rumour and then says the words out.

From an interview with Hannity:

But Romney forcefully denied Reid's allegations on Hannity's radio show Thursday.

"Harry’s going to have to describe who it is he spoke with, because, of course, that is totally and completely wrong," Romney said. "It’s untrue, dishonest and inaccurate. It’s wrong.



But here's the part I really love

"So, I’m looking forward to have Harry reveal his sources, and we will probably find out it’s the White House."

Read more: Romney to Reid: 'Put up or shut up' on source of 'untrue' tax claims | Fox News

just show us your returns Lord Romney and we'll all see he's wrong. what an easy opportunity for you to shame your opponents

 

[Warrior102]

So Reid could disclose your tax information tomorrow
on the Senate floor and that would be legal

So you think that just by saying that a person did or did not pay taxes is crime enough (under disclosure laws) to bring some sort of charges? I say get a lawyer and go for it. LMAO.

Mitt has a tax problem. He is damned if he does and damned if he dont. And I really appreciate ole Harry putting him in this box. Good job Harry.

Not at all
the attempt to release information would be the crime
The information being wrong would not be a factor

The "McCarthyism" from Reid on these issue shows how far the
left has fallen..

Jon Stewart ripped Reid on last night’s show for the original accusation

When the Left has lost Stewart on this, you
know it is over for the Left. Outside of the extreme left
who will hang on

Who?

 

[Warrior102]

just show us your returns Lord Romney and we'll all see he's wrong. what an easy opportunity for you to shame your opponents[/B][/SIZE]

Your avatar... Why is your mouth open, in the "receive" mode?

 

[Neotrotsky]

Like I said
extreme left

 

[Article 15]

just show us your returns Lord Romney and we'll all see he's wrong. what an easy opportunity for you to shame your opponents[/B][/SIZE]

Your avatar... Why is your mouth open, in the "receive" mode?

Does the thought turn you on?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

just show us your returns Lord Romney and we'll all see he's wrong. what an easy opportunity for you to shame your opponents[/B][/SIZE]

Your avatar... Why is your mouth open, in the "receive" mode?

there are clearly words coming out of the mouth in that picture you imbecile

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

just show us your returns Lord Romney and we'll all see he's wrong. what an easy opportunity for you to shame your opponents[/B][/SIZE]

Your avatar... Why is your mouth open, in the "receive" mode?

you should come out of your closet, btw

 

[Neotrotsky]

I just got that call, as well

I just talked with a former member of the Nevada Gaming Commission and he said Reid would give it up to some mafioso for poker chips!!!!!

Reid's mother called me and said she caught him giving Bawney Fwank a blow job.

Someone just called me:

Having only worked in the private sector for 2 years, Reid somehow became a millionaire on public pay.

 

[Warrior102]

Does the thought turn you on?

Not as much as it does you, faggot.

 

[Warrior102]

there are clearly words coming out of the mouth in that picture you imbecile

Looks to me like you could slide a dick in there.

Oh well.

Nevermind.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Don't like mine? Tough shit.