Romney only needs to bat .250 on election day

[Toro]

In February, the Pew Center on the States released a study called Inaccurate, Costly, and Inefficient showing that about 24 million U.S. voter registrations were no longer valid or had significant inaccuracies.

The research found: more than 1.8 million dead people listed as voters; about 2.75 million with voter registrations in more than one state; and about 12 million voter records with incorrect addresses, meaning either the voters moved or errors in the information make it unlikely any mailings can reach them.

The latter category is where you’ll find most of Ohio’s 1.6 million inactive voters.

1.6 million fake voters for Obama to play with in Ohio alone. He played that game in all the swing states. Again, it is Democrats who are opposing strict voting procedures b/c they are the ones cheating.

"Inactive" is not "ineligible" or "fake" FFS.

This meme is as pathetic as "Diebold stole the election for Bush in Ohio."

 

[Capstone]

What the article doesn't mention is the demographic breakdown of the ineligible voters.

Here's a clue for you: the fact that a "conservative" group sued Ohio's Secretary of State (Republican John Husted) so late in the game was clearly indicative of obfuscatory tactics. The GOP doesn't really want to clean up the voting rolls across the board in Ohio, because they know that doing so wouldn't necessarily benefit the party.

For the record: Ohio law requires voter ID, so the odds against pulling off voter fraud by using an ineligible voter's registration are very high, and the Ohio GOP knows it.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

What the article doesn't mention is the demographic breakdown of the ineligible voters.

Here's a clue for you: the fact that a "conservative" group sued Ohio's Secretary of State (Republican John Husted) so late in the game was clearly indicative of obfuscatory tactics. The GOP doesn't really want to clean up the voting rolls across the board in Ohio, because they know that doing so wouldn't necessarily benefit the party.

For the record: Ohio law requires voter ID, so the odds against pulling off voter fraud by using an ineligible voter's registration are very high, and the Ohio GOP knows it.

You keep telling yourself that. We all know who the cheaters are.

 

[konradv]

What the article doesn't mention is the demographic breakdown of the ineligible voters.

Here's a clue for you: the fact that a "conservative" group sued Ohio's Secretary of State (Republican John Husted) so late in the game was clearly indicative of obfuscatory tactics. The GOP doesn't really want to clean up the voting rolls across the board in Ohio, because they know that doing so wouldn't necessarily benefit the party.

For the record: Ohio law requires voter ID, so the odds against pulling off voter fraud by using an ineligible voter's registration are very high, and the Ohio GOP knows it.

You keep telling yourself that. We all know who the cheaters are.

There were instances of Republicans cheating, so since you say we "all know", it must be them, eh?

 

[Capstone]

Okay, so I did a little research of my own, and here's what I found: out of The Dirty Dozen Voter Rolls cited in the Columbus Dispatch article, only one of the twelve went for Obama.

Wood County went for Obama 51.21 to 46.37.

Lawrence for Romney 56.5 to 41.43.

Delaware for Romney 60.86 to 37.71.

Mercer for Romney 76.53 to 21.77.

Fairfield for Romney 56.82 to 41.39.

Van Wert for Romney 55.21% to 42.33.

Jackson for Romney 58.97 to 38.54.

Greene for Romney 59.37 to 38.57.

Medina for Romney 55.45 to 42.65.

Geauga for Romney 59.85 to 38.46.

Henry for Romney 57.92 to 39.69.

Morrow for Romney 60.83 to 36.59.

Do you see any reason to suspect voter fraud in favor of Obama there, GG?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

1. Those are counties which you've picked.
2. You can cheat by precinct. It doesn't have to be all of a county.
3. That link that you posted showed that 20 percent of Ohioans being illegally registered. 1.6 million
4. Obama illegally raised millions overseas to pay off election officials.
5. Eric Holder completely disregarded the fraud.
6. Plenty of counties out there that Obama did win which he cheated.
7. Plenty of precincts Obama winning with 90 plus percent turnout and getting shutouts. That's mother f'ing bs.
8. We've all seen the many machines which register votes as Obama.
9. We know who opposes the voter ID laws. Even UN observers were scoffing at the inherent fraud in our system.

Stop being ignorant of what's going on. The voting process is an f'ing joke now. It should be paper ballots with tough voter ID and registration laws across the board.

And when the president of the USA is an f'ing felon taking overseas money then that's just the icing on the fraud cake.

 

[Capstone]

1. Those are counties which you've picked.

No, I didn't. Take a look to the left of the article and click on the little image marked The Dirty Dozen Voter Rolls.

2. You can cheat by precinct. It doesn't have to be all of a county.

The County Boards of Election tally the results of all the precincts within the respective counties' borders. So, any reported results, fraudulent or otherwise, would be reflected at the county level.

3. That link that you posted showed that 20 percent of Ohioans being illegally registered. 1.6 million

As has already been pointed out to you, "inactive" and "illegally registered" aren't analytically synonymous phrases.

4. Obama illegally raised millions overseas to pay off election officials.

Source please.

5. Eric Holder completely disregarded the fraud.

What fraud?

6. Plenty of counties out there that Obama did win which he cheated.

For example?

7. Plenty of precincts Obama winning with 90 plus percent turnout and getting shutouts. That's mother f'ing bs.

It's not BS; it's demography.

8. We've all seen the many machines which register votes as Obama.

Not quite "all" -- I haven't.

9. We know who opposes the voter ID laws. Even UN observers were scoffing at the inherent fraud in our system.

Voter ID laws aren't the issue in Ohio. We have an ID law in full force here.

You're so full of your own shit ...it's mind-boggling.

 

[Greenbeard]

If this thread is any indication, you call things as you think they are, usually based on the misinformation you've bought into -- from the hilarious "analysis" in the original post, to the laughable claim about St. Lucie County (which you now know was wrong to begin with), to your bullheaded insistence that garnering 100% of the vote in 59 heavily African-American voting precincts was obviously indicative of fraud (never mind the facts, that the President got nearly 100% of the African-American vote nationwide ...and that, per The Philadelphia Inquirer, many of the inner city precincts in question didn't have a single registered Republican living in them).

If there's one thing that illustrates, it's how the thinking (using that term loosely) of the reality denialists works.

They hear something, generally false, in the rightwing blogosphere or on the radio or wherever. They don't bother to check it by looking up readily available facts in reputable sources, they don't bother to think about whether it makes sense (even, amazingly, when they admit their made-up assertion is "pretty remarkable"), and they certainly don't bother to critically examine it. Instead, they work this false 'fact' into the world view it validates and they shamelessly repeat it when asked to defend that view.

And in the rare instance where reality intrudes, they shrug it off and it's off to the next thing. There's no introspection, no reflection, no growth, no maturity. Just an endless stream of bullshit, flowing out of and sustaining the hermetically sealed alternate reality bubble.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

If this thread is any indication, you call things as you think they are, usually based on the misinformation you've bought into -- from the hilarious "analysis" in the original post, to the laughable claim about St. Lucie County (which you now know was wrong to begin with), to your bullheaded insistence that garnering 100% of the vote in 59 heavily African-American voting precincts was obviously indicative of fraud (never mind the facts, that the President got nearly 100% of the African-American vote nationwide ...and that, per The Philadelphia Inquirer, many of the inner city precincts in question didn't have a single registered Republican living in them).

If there's one thing that illustrates, it's how the thinking (using that term loosely) of the reality denialists works.

They hear something, generally false, in the rightwing blogosphere or on the radio or wherever. They don't bother to check it by looking up readily available facts in reputable sources, they don't bother to think about whether it makes sense (even, amazingly, when they admit their made-up assertion is "pretty remarkable"), and they certainly don't bother to critically examine it. Instead, they work this false 'fact' into the world view it validates and they shamelessly repeat it when asked to defend that view.

And in the rare instance where reality intrudes, they shrug it off and it's off to the next thing. There's no introspection, no reflection, no growth, no maturity. Just an endless stream of bullshit, flowing out of and sustaining the hermetically sealed alternate reality bubble.

Shaddup. This is a message board, not a journalism publication. Mistakes are gonna happen. Get over yourself. Speaking of denial though; you're full of it.

 

[rightwinger]

Okay, so I did a little research of my own, and here's what I found: out of The Dirty Dozen Voter Rolls cited in the Columbus Dispatch article, only one of the twelve went for Obama.

Wood County went for Obama 51.21 to 46.37.

Lawrence for Romney 56.5 to 41.43.

Delaware for Romney 60.86 to 37.71.

Mercer for Romney 76.53 to 21.77.

Fairfield for Romney 56.82 to 41.39.

Van Wert for Romney 55.21% to 42.33.

Jackson for Romney 58.97 to 38.54.

Greene for Romney 59.37 to 38.57.

Medina for Romney 55.45 to 42.65.

Geauga for Romney 59.85 to 38.46.

Henry for Romney 57.92 to 39.69.

Morrow for Romney 60.83 to 36.59.

Do you see any reason to suspect voter fraud in favor of Obama there, GG?

Unfortunately, counties don't vote....People do

You left out Cuyuhonga county where Cleveland is and Hamilton County, where Cincinatti is.

Obama won Ohio......Romney lost nearly every swing state

 

[Capstone]

Unfortunately, counties don't vote....People do

Too bad that's not the case where Congressional races are concerned.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If this thread is any indication, you call things as you think they are, usually based on the misinformation you've bought into -- from the hilarious "analysis" in the original post, to the laughable claim about St. Lucie County (which you now know was wrong to begin with), to your bullheaded insistence that garnering 100% of the vote in 59 heavily African-American voting precincts was obviously indicative of fraud (never mind the facts, that the President got nearly 100% of the African-American vote nationwide ...and that, per The Philadelphia Inquirer, many of the inner city precincts in question didn't have a single registered Republican living in them).

If there's one thing that illustrates, it's how the thinking (using that term loosely) of the reality denialists works.

They hear something, generally false, in the rightwing blogosphere or on the radio or wherever. They don't bother to check it by looking up readily available facts in reputable sources, they don't bother to think about whether it makes sense (even, amazingly, when they admit their made-up assertion is "pretty remarkable"), and they certainly don't bother to critically examine it. Instead, they work this false 'fact' into the world view it validates and they shamelessly repeat it when asked to defend that view.

And in the rare instance where reality intrudes, they shrug it off and it's off to the next thing. There's no introspection, no reflection, no growth, no maturity. Just an endless stream of bullshit, flowing out of and sustaining the hermetically sealed alternate reality bubble.

Shaddup. This is a message board, not a journalism publication. Mistakes are gonna happen. Get over yourself. Speaking of denial though; you're full of it.

Unsurprisingly you miss the point.

The issue isn’t ‘mistakes,’ it’s the fact that you and others on the right refuse to engage in critical, independent thinking, to research and learn the facts of an issue on your own, and accept those facts even if they conflict with rightist dogma.

 

[rightwinger]

Unfortunately, counties don't vote....People do

Too bad that's not the case where Congressional races are concerned.

Nice try, but Congressional districts aren't divided by county either

 

[Capstone]

You left out Cuyuhonga county where Cleveland is and Hamilton County, where Cincinatti is.

I didn't leave them out; the Dirty Dozen link from the Columbus Dispatch article did.

 

[Toro]

If there's one thing that illustrates, it's how the thinking (using that term loosely) of the reality denialists works.

They hear something, generally false, in the rightwing blogosphere or on the radio or wherever. They don't bother to check it by looking up readily available facts in reputable sources, they don't bother to think about whether it makes sense (even, amazingly, when they admit their made-up assertion is "pretty remarkable"), and they certainly don't bother to critically examine it. Instead, they work this false 'fact' into the world view it validates and they shamelessly repeat it when asked to defend that view.

And in the rare instance where reality intrudes, they shrug it off and it's off to the next thing. There's no introspection, no reflection, no growth, no maturity. Just an endless stream of bullshit, flowing out of and sustaining the hermetically sealed alternate reality bubble.

Shaddup. This is a message board, not a journalism publication. Mistakes are gonna happen. Get over yourself. Speaking of denial though; you're full of it.

Unsurprisingly you miss the point.

The issue isn’t ‘mistakes,’ it’s the fact that you and others on the right refuse to engage in critical, independent thinking, to research and learn the facts of an issue on your own, and accept those facts even if they conflict with rightist dogma.

Or that they even lost.

The nutters are living in utter denial that there is something wrong with them. Instead, it is easier to conjure up fantasies about cheating than to have a hard look at yourself and understand why you lost to "the worst President in history."

 

[Capstone]

Unfortunately, counties don't vote....People do

Too bad that's not the case where Congressional races are concerned.

Nice try, but Congressional districts aren't divided by county either

No shit. They're drawn up by partisan legislators for the purpose of avoiding a shift of power -- a tactic that backfired in Florida this year (right in Colonel West's face).

 

[rightwinger]

You left out Cuyuhonga county where Cleveland is and Hamilton County, where Cincinatti is.

I didn't leave them out; the Dirty Dozen link from the Columbus Dispatch article did.

Since they are the most populated counties in Ohio and Obama won them by a large margin.......kinda blows away your theory doesn't it?

 

[Capstone]

Uh oh, look at what I found, RW.

Be sure to compare and contrast the chart with the list of counties with bloated rolls reported by the Columbus Dispatch.

Note that the voting rolls in Cuyahoga, Franklin, and Hamilton counties (Ohio's 3 most populated, Democratic leaning counties) were all significantly pared back by Husted's Office, while all of the right-leaning counties mentioned on the Dispatch article's lists had significant increases.

What might that possibly imply?

 

[Capstone]

And strictly for posterity's sake:

Ohio voter registration list nearly 500,000 smaller than in 2008: Statistical Snapshot
Published: Monday, September 17, 2012, 9:00 AM Updated: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 9:54 AM

By Rich Exner, The Plain Dealer

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Voter registration rolls have shrunk by 490,000 statewide from the last presidential election, in part because of efforts to eliminate duplicated and outdated entries, as well as voters who had been inactive for more than four years.

Cuyahoga County accounts for 44 percent of the reduction statewide. Jane Platten, the county's election director, said there has been an intensive effort to cleanup the voting list over the last few years. For example, the county now gets regular updates of deaths from the state.

Voting registration lists totaled 900,135 in Cuyahoga County as of Sept. 2, down 19.3 percent from 1,114,740 on Election Day in 2008.

Statewide, the number has fallen 5.9 percent from 8,301,283 to 7,811,402.

Check with your board of election if you are uncertain whether you are registered.

UPDATE: See updated voter registration lists from election day and voter turnout by county.

Find more on voter registration rules and how to contact local election officials from The Plain Dealer's Grant Segall.


Here is a county-by-county breakdown:

County Registered
11/3/2008 Registered
9/2/2012 Change Pct. Change Voting age
population
Adams 17,988 18,159 171 1.0% 21,415
Allen 72,017 68,798 -3,219 -4.5% 80,886
Ashland 36,704 36,115 -589 -1.6% 40,463
Ashtabula 64,207 63,982 -225 -0.4% 77,490
Athens 49,041 45,330 -3,711 -7.6% 54,508
Auglaize 33,760 31,178 -2,582 -7.6% 34,283
Belmont 46,867 49,198 2,331 5.0% 56,545
Brown 28,434 28,244 -190 -0.7% 33,808
Butler 260,956 234,683 -26,273 -10.1% 275,526
Carroll 19,697 18,766 -931 -4.7% 22,199
Champaign 26,083 27,368 1,285 4.9% 30,057
Clark 92,971 89,965 -3,006 -3.2% 105,690
Clermont 135,673 130,433 -5,240 -3.9% 146,773
Clinton 26,955 26,354 -601 -2.2% 31,778
Columbiana 70,073 66,002 -4,071 -5.8% 84,257
Coshocton 22,232 22,052 -180 -0.8% 28,022
Crawford 29,748 29,222 -526 -1.8% 33,651
Cuyahoga 1,114,740 900,135 -214,605 -19.3% 989,860
Darke 34,245 36,131 1,886 5.5% 39,746
Defiance 26,443 25,501 -942 -3.6% 29,434
Delaware 119,614 122,711 3,097 2.6% 123,710
Erie 55,185 53,165 -2,020 -3.7% 59,934
Fairfield 105,844 104,965 -879 -0.8% 107,747
Fayette 16,354 16,047 -307 -1.9% 21,867
Franklin 844,993 778,324 -66,669 -7.9% 884,872
Fulton 29,610 28,988 -622 -2.1% 31,689
Gallia 23,713 22,236 -1,477 -6.2% 23,582
Geauga 70,331 65,722 -4,609 -6.6% 69,152
Greene 114,031 120,263 6,232 5.5% 126,440
Guernsey 25,087 24,396 -691 -2.8% 30,472
Hamilton 606,246 542,791 -63,455 -10.5% 612,734
Hancock 53,934 54,145 211 0.4% 57,154
Hardin 18,036 18,186 150 0.8% 24,498
Harrison 11,077 10,661 -416 -3.8% 12,392
Henry 20,122 20,136 14 0.1% 21,121
Highland 27,280 28,231 951 3.5% 32,497
Hocking 18,628 18,091 -537 -2.9% 22,375
Holmes 18,167 18,173 6 0.0% 27,855
Huron 37,035 36,550 -485 -1.3% 43,959
Jackson 22,976 24,050 1,074 4.7% 25,070
Jefferson 50,149 48,800 -1,349 -2.7% 55,655
Knox 38,842 41,434 2,592 6.7% 46,220
Lake 160,575 150,784 -9,791 -6.1% 179,015
Lawrence 45,687 49,433 3,746 8.2% 47,801
Licking 112,002 110,086 -1,916 -1.7% 125,367
Logan 30,609 30,255 -354 -1.2% 34,239
Lorain 204,397 208,436 4,039 2.0% 229,278
Lucas 317,057 301,862 -15,195 -4.8% 335,678
Madison 24,259 23,980 -279 -1.2% 33,628
Mahoning 178,254 167,884 -10,370 -5.8% 187,485
Marion 41,606 41,977 371 0.9% 51,772
Medina 128,491 122,660 -5,831 -4.5% 128,591
Meigs 15,874 16,572 698 4.4% 18,356
Mercer 27,584 29,412 1,828 6.6% 30,041
Miami 71,366 69,697 -1,669 -2.3% 77,738
Monroe 10,212 10,389 177 1.7% 11,495
Montgomery 390,315 375,992 -14,323 -3.7% 411,874
Morgan 9,176 8,851 -325 -3.5% 11,534
Morrow 25,568 24,548 -1,020 -4.0% 25,834
Muskingum 53,884 53,359 -525 -1.0% 65,423
Noble 8,894 8,943 49 0.6% 11,848
Ottawa 29,956 30,302 346 1.2% 32,833
Paulding 13,517 13,030 -487 -3.6% 14,676
Perry 22,783 24,180 1,397 6.1% 26,627
Pickaway 32,736 32,761 25 0.1% 42,541
Pike 19,042 18,570 -472 -2.5% 21,589
Portage 109,636 104,946 -4,690 -4.3% 127,741
Preble 28,802 28,579 -223 -0.8% 32,032
Putnam 24,278 23,761 -517 -2.1% 25,299
Richland 94,467 88,741 -5,726 -6.1% 96,456
Ross 44,320 46,330 2,010 4.5% 60,479
Sandusky 43,802 40,891 -2,911 -6.6% 46,076
Scioto 55,191 46,844 -8,347 -15.1% 61,409
Seneca 36,439 36,052 -387 -1.1% 43,377
Shelby 30,966 32,610 1,644 5.3% 35,921
Stark 270,610 254,141 -16,469 -6.1% 289,600
Summit 379,985 355,837 -24,148 -6.4% 418,206
Trumbull 148,118 149,671 1,553 1.0% 163,680
Tuscarawas 59,711 59,363 -348 -0.6% 70,618
Union 32,756 33,565 809 2.5% 38,050
Van Wert 20,295 20,747 452 2.2% 21,580
Vinton 9,019 8,616 -403 -4.5% 10,100
Warren 141,181 143,630 2,449 1.7% 154,218
Washington 41,661 42,320 659 1.6% 48,837
Wayne 73,244 76,149 2,905 4.0% 85,375
Williams 26,562 24,999 -1,563 -5.9% 28,723
Wood 102,224 106,258 4,034 3.9% 98,213
Wyandot 16,076 15,696 -380 -2.4% 17,216
Statewide 8,299,275 7,809,390 -489,885 -5.9% 8,805,855

Source: Plain Dealer analysis of Ohio Secretary of State and U.S. Census Bureau data.

Since I know that interesting web articles have a tendency to disappear.

 

[Capstone]

In case you missed the point of all that, RW, the reason Cuyahoga and Hamilton counties weren't mentioned explicitly by the Dispatch article is most likely because their bloated rolls had already been dealt with back in September.

That's how the GOP likes to operate -- in a blatantly partisan way, but almost always behind plenty of smoke and a whole bunch of mirrors...