200 fellow soldiers disagree with you about Kerry's service. One man came out for Kerry's service, but was arrested for being a pedophile. Liberal heroes are losers.
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Right-Wing Bergdahl Flip Flop is All About Obama
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OP is a troll, most people wanted Bergdhal released before they found out what a low life POS deserting scumbag he is. When information came out about his deserting those same people felt betrayed.
The main problem with the situation is you can bet these gang of American hating criminals in this pathetic regime occupying the white house knew damn well he was a deserter. They still made the fucking deal with out congressional approval.
It is at a point where this fucking regime needs to be charged with high treason with several of them facing a firing squad.
Do not think this president is making mistakes. From his demented Alinsky point of view, he is here to destroy the foundation of a country that he sees as illegitimate.
That, is what we are dealing with folks.
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My issue is not with getting Bergdahl back bring him back and let him answer for what he did my problem is with what we gave up to get him back. The serious question here is why would the administration swap five senior Taliban commanders for one enlisted man when the circumstances of his disapperance and capture were highly suspect something the administration almost surely knew before making the swap.
Freewill
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200 fellow soldiers disagree with you about Kerry's service. One man came out for Kerry's service, but was arrested for being a pedophile. Liberal heroes are losers.Actually it is a good study in liberals love hate for the military.
Conservatives make heros out of our men and women in uniform, that is why when someone like Bergdahl comes around it makes the service look bad thus conservatives don't like it.
On the other hand liberals hate those who do what they would not and serve in the military. Thus when someone like Bergdahl comes around they say he severed with honor and distinction.
That is pretty much what Obama has done, which is separate from what Bergdahl did.
Oh, that's such bullshit.
Kerry served; Bush did not.
A President at the time with actual military service would have served us better than what we ended up with, which is America's biggest foreign policy fuck-up in Iraq by chickenhawks who didn't know shit.
Do you disagree that he only served 4 months in theater and then left without a significant wound?
Do you disagree he turned against his VN veterans?
Do you disagree he threw his medals over the wall, yet didn't.
What exactly did i say about Kerry you think wrong?
Freewill
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I think Obama used the whole thing to get a piece of white ass.Obama never had the sense of duty or courage to serve in the military. He said he was too busy hanging out with his communists friends.
He doesn't understand the military. He has sympathies towards the Muslim world because he was raised as a Muslim. He is not very competent in his job, especially foreign policy. Couple all that with his obsession with closing down Gitmo and we have a recipe for disaster that was the Bergdhal trade.
Bergdhal was always what is refereed to in the military as a "shitbird", a soldier that is more trouble than he is worth. Once he deserted then he should have been on his own. The US shouldn't have spent much energy trying to get him back. The evidence was pretty clear from the beginning that he had deserted. Almost immediately after the trade several of his fellow soldiers that served with him did an interview where they exposed him to be a scumbag. Obama either knew or didn't care or he was just incompetent and didn't check it out.
This whole deal was a clusterfvck from the beginning. That has become the trademark of the Obama administration.
What is pathetic is how the Left will go to unbelievable ends and stupidity to rationalize everything Obama does, even when it makes them look like fools.
What this administration does is take every situation and paints it in the best light for them. Truth be damned.
You mean:
True.See? It's all about hating Obama.
Most on the right will spin, distort, contrive, and lie about events in an effort to attack the president for some perceived partisan gain.
Freewill
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OK...See? It's all about hating Obama.
And now that you've hogged the entire first page of your thread, leaving no room for opposing opinion (hogging the limelight and controlling the message, are we?)...
For the sake of argument, let's pretend that you're right, for the moment, or, at least, somewhere in the neighborhood of being right...
Meaning that the present widespread support of the military's decision to charge Berghdal with Desertion, and that the present widespread outcry against the Administration for trading five Taliban operatives for an alleged Deserter, are all linked, at least in part, to hatred for Obama.
Conceding all that, for the moment...
So what?
What does it matter?
Is there sufficient evidence against Berghdahl, to warrant him being charged with Desertion?
Yes.
Did a President of the United States trade five (mortal enemy) Taliban operatives for an American soldier already strongly suspected at the time of Desertion?
Yes.
Would any other President be broadly and strongly criticized for doing what Obama did?
Yes.
All of that is sufficient to the day.
This supposed 'hatred of Obama' is merely another factor in the equation, and may have some bearing on the scope or scale (the volume) of the outcry, but is unlikely to have influenced the matter by an order of magnitude.
Hell, you can probably dig deep enough on the Internet and find considerable vicious criticism of Mother Theresa or Francis of Assisi or other much-beloved figures.
Mind you, it's convenient, when you wish to bash someone, and they so conveniently and thoughtfully provide you with such ammunition, but that doesn't invalidate the ammunition nor does it validate the Bad Decision-Making that went into the manufacture of such ammunition.
Don't want to be on the receiving end of such metaphorical rocks?
Don't make Bad Decisions related to Subject Matter (our dealings with the Islamic world) in which you are already 'suspect' or under extraordinarily close scrutiny, and don't make Bad Decisions related to Subject Matter (desertion from the military) in which the vast majority of Americans readily muster such a visceral and unforgiving reaction.
Simple.
Next slide, please.
I am not in any way defending Berghdahl but how do you charge him with desertion? I can see dereliction of duty or disobeying orders but just because he took a stupid ill advised walk in a war zone does that really constitute desertion? Did he go over to the other side and fight? Did he do propaganda for the other side? Did he go to the rear of the action? I say no to all of the above. I think you would have a hard time proving desertion.
Roadrunner
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200 fellow soldiers disagree with you about Kerry's service. One man came out for Kerry's service, but was arrested for being a pedophile. Liberal heroes are losers.Actually it is a good study in liberals love hate for the military.
Conservatives make heros out of our men and women in uniform, that is why when someone like Bergdahl comes around it makes the service look bad thus conservatives don't like it.
On the other hand liberals hate those who do what they would not and serve in the military. Thus when someone like Bergdahl comes around they say he severed with honor and distinction.
That is pretty much what Obama has done, which is separate from what Bergdahl did.
Oh, that's such bullshit.
Kerry served; Bush did not.
A President at the time with actual military service would have served us better than what we ended up with, which is America's biggest foreign policy fuck-up in Iraq by chickenhawks who didn't know shit.
Do you disagree that he only served 4 months in theater and then left without a significant wound?
Do you disagree he turned against his VN veterans?
Do you disagree he threw his medals over the wall, yet didn't.
What exactly did i say about Kerry you think wrong?
He was severely wounded by three cases of the dreaded Vietnamese Black Clap!!!
Obama infused himself into the issue by inviting Bergdahl's parents to the White House and making a public spectacle of what is a disgrace.True.See? It's all about hating Obama.
Most on the right will spin, distort, contrive, and lie about events in an effort to attack the president for some perceived partisan gain.
Obama didn't know?
Roadrunner
Roadrunner
He deserted his post.OK...See? It's all about hating Obama.
And now that you've hogged the entire first page of your thread, leaving no room for opposing opinion (hogging the limelight and controlling the message, are we?)...
For the sake of argument, let's pretend that you're right, for the moment, or, at least, somewhere in the neighborhood of being right...
Meaning that the present widespread support of the military's decision to charge Berghdal with Desertion, and that the present widespread outcry against the Administration for trading five Taliban operatives for an alleged Deserter, are all linked, at least in part, to hatred for Obama.
Conceding all that, for the moment...
So what?
What does it matter?
Is there sufficient evidence against Berghdahl, to warrant him being charged with Desertion?
Yes.
Did a President of the United States trade five (mortal enemy) Taliban operatives for an American soldier already strongly suspected at the time of Desertion?
Yes.
Would any other President be broadly and strongly criticized for doing what Obama did?
Yes.
All of that is sufficient to the day.
This supposed 'hatred of Obama' is merely another factor in the equation, and may have some bearing on the scope or scale (the volume) of the outcry, but is unlikely to have influenced the matter by an order of magnitude.
Hell, you can probably dig deep enough on the Internet and find considerable vicious criticism of Mother Theresa or Francis of Assisi or other much-beloved figures.
Mind you, it's convenient, when you wish to bash someone, and they so conveniently and thoughtfully provide you with such ammunition, but that doesn't invalidate the ammunition nor does it validate the Bad Decision-Making that went into the manufacture of such ammunition.
Don't want to be on the receiving end of such metaphorical rocks?
Don't make Bad Decisions related to Subject Matter (our dealings with the Islamic world) in which you are already 'suspect' or under extraordinarily close scrutiny, and don't make Bad Decisions related to Subject Matter (desertion from the military) in which the vast majority of Americans readily muster such a visceral and unforgiving reaction.
Simple.
Next slide, please.
I am not in any way defending Berghdahl but how do you charge him with desertion? I can see dereliction of duty or disobeying orders but just because he took a stupid ill advised walk in a war zone does that really constitute desertion? Did he go over to the other side and fight? Did he do propaganda for the other side? Did he go to the rear of the action? I say no to all of the above. I think you would have a hard time proving desertion.
He sought out the Taliban.
He appeared in their propaganda.
God knows what he told them, we may find that out.
When they found out what a flake he was, the beat his ass, out of contempt.
When they realized what a desperate fool Obama was, they traded him for FIVE fuckin' Taliban general officers.
Roadrunner
Roadrunner
God, I nearly puke every time they show Bergdahl's hottie mommy being pawed by Obama in front of Bergdahl's cuckolded Taliban-daddy.Obama infused himself into the issue by inviting Bergdahl's parents to the White House and making a public spectacle of what is a disgrace.True.See? It's all about hating Obama.
Most on the right will spin, distort, contrive, and lie about events in an effort to attack the president for some perceived partisan gain.
Obama didn't know?
What a fuckin' disgrace.
Freewill
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Obama infused himself into the issue by inviting Bergdahl's parents to the White House and making a public spectacle of what is a disgrace.True.See? It's all about hating Obama.
Most on the right will spin, distort, contrive, and lie about events in an effort to attack the president for some perceived partisan gain.
Obama didn't know?
Al Jazeera hadn't reported on it yet so how would you expect Obama to know?
Freewill
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200 fellow soldiers disagree with you about Kerry's service. One man came out for Kerry's service, but was arrested for being a pedophile. Liberal heroes are losers.Actually it is a good study in liberals love hate for the military.
Conservatives make heros out of our men and women in uniform, that is why when someone like Bergdahl comes around it makes the service look bad thus conservatives don't like it.
On the other hand liberals hate those who do what they would not and serve in the military. Thus when someone like Bergdahl comes around they say he severed with honor and distinction.
That is pretty much what Obama has done, which is separate from what Bergdahl did.
Oh, that's such bullshit.
Kerry served; Bush did not.
A President at the time with actual military service would have served us better than what we ended up with, which is America's biggest foreign policy fuck-up in Iraq by chickenhawks who didn't know shit.
Do you disagree that he only served 4 months in theater and then left without a significant wound?
Do you disagree he turned against his VN veterans?
Do you disagree he threw his medals over the wall, yet didn't.
What exactly did i say about Kerry you think wrong?
He was severely wounded by three cases of the dreaded Vietnamese Black Clap!!!
I seriously doubt King Kerry would have anything to do with Vietnamese peasants. Except maybe to shoot them in the back with a 50 cal.
The US Army Judge Advocate General's office sees this differently than you do, apparently.OK...See? It's all about hating Obama.
And now that you've hogged the entire first page of your thread, leaving no room for opposing opinion (hogging the limelight and controlling the message, are we?)...
For the sake of argument, let's pretend that you're right, for the moment, or, at least, somewhere in the neighborhood of being right...
Meaning that the present widespread support of the military's decision to charge Berghdal with Desertion, and that the present widespread outcry against the Administration for trading five Taliban operatives for an alleged Deserter, are all linked, at least in part, to hatred for Obama.
Conceding all that, for the moment...
So what?
What does it matter?
Is there sufficient evidence against Berghdahl, to warrant him being charged with Desertion?
Yes.
Did a President of the United States trade five (mortal enemy) Taliban operatives for an American soldier already strongly suspected at the time of Desertion?
Yes.
Would any other President be broadly and strongly criticized for doing what Obama did?
Yes.
All of that is sufficient to the day.
This supposed 'hatred of Obama' is merely another factor in the equation, and may have some bearing on the scope or scale (the volume) of the outcry, but is unlikely to have influenced the matter by an order of magnitude.
Hell, you can probably dig deep enough on the Internet and find considerable vicious criticism of Mother Theresa or Francis of Assisi or other much-beloved figures.
Mind you, it's convenient, when you wish to bash someone, and they so conveniently and thoughtfully provide you with such ammunition, but that doesn't invalidate the ammunition nor does it validate the Bad Decision-Making that went into the manufacture of such ammunition.
Don't want to be on the receiving end of such metaphorical rocks?
Don't make Bad Decisions related to Subject Matter (our dealings with the Islamic world) in which you are already 'suspect' or under extraordinarily close scrutiny, and don't make Bad Decisions related to Subject Matter (desertion from the military) in which the vast majority of Americans readily muster such a visceral and unforgiving reaction.
Simple.
Next slide, please.
I am not in any way defending Berghdahl but how do you charge him with desertion? I can see dereliction of duty or disobeying orders but just because he took a stupid ill advised walk in a war zone does that really constitute desertion? Did he go over to the other side and fight? Did he do propaganda for the other side? Did he go to the rear of the action? I say no to all of the above. I think you would have a hard time proving desertion.
Just as with civilian law, the JAG office has its own excellent checks-and-balances and control mechanisms and built-in protections and escalations and reviewing authorities.
They are apparently in possession of information, documentation, testimony and other evidence, that led them to believe that such charges were appropriate and necessary.
It is their job to do the right thing, subject to the appropriate control and review.
And, given what a political hot-potato this one is (and was known to be prior to the filing of charges), it's a good bet that this one was reviewed three or four times more intensely and frequently than your run-of-the-mill capital charge-filing in the military.
We need to let them do their job now.
The JAG office says he's charge-able?
Then he's charge-able.
Time to let the justice system sort this out.
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That was cold...Obama infused himself into the issue by inviting Bergdahl's parents to the White House and making a public spectacle of what is a disgrace.True.See? It's all about hating Obama.
Most on the right will spin, distort, contrive, and lie about events in an effort to attack the president for some perceived partisan gain.
Obama didn't know?
Al Jazeera hadn't reported on it yet so how would you expect Obama to know?
And funny...
I was agreeing with you.200 fellow soldiers disagree with you about Kerry's service. One man came out for Kerry's service, but was arrested for being a pedophile. Liberal heroes are losers.Actually it is a good study in liberals love hate for the military.
Conservatives make heros out of our men and women in uniform, that is why when someone like Bergdahl comes around it makes the service look bad thus conservatives don't like it.
On the other hand liberals hate those who do what they would not and serve in the military. Thus when someone like Bergdahl comes around they say he severed with honor and distinction.
That is pretty much what Obama has done, which is separate from what Bergdahl did.
Oh, that's such bullshit.
Kerry served; Bush did not.
A President at the time with actual military service would have served us better than what we ended up with, which is America's biggest foreign policy fuck-up in Iraq by chickenhawks who didn't know shit.
Do you disagree that he only served 4 months in theater and then left without a significant wound?
Do you disagree he turned against his VN veterans?
Do you disagree he threw his medals over the wall, yet didn't.
What exactly did i say about Kerry you think wrong?
Freewill
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I was agreeing with you.200 fellow soldiers disagree with you about Kerry's service. One man came out for Kerry's service, but was arrested for being a pedophile. Liberal heroes are losers.Actually it is a good study in liberals love hate for the military.
Conservatives make heros out of our men and women in uniform, that is why when someone like Bergdahl comes around it makes the service look bad thus conservatives don't like it.
On the other hand liberals hate those who do what they would not and serve in the military. Thus when someone like Bergdahl comes around they say he severed with honor and distinction.
That is pretty much what Obama has done, which is separate from what Bergdahl did.
Oh, that's such bullshit.
Kerry served; Bush did not.
A President at the time with actual military service would have served us better than what we ended up with, which is America's biggest foreign policy fuck-up in Iraq by chickenhawks who didn't know shit.
Do you disagree that he only served 4 months in theater and then left without a significant wound?
Do you disagree he turned against his VN veterans?
Do you disagree he threw his medals over the wall, yet didn't.
What exactly did i say about Kerry you think wrong?
Opps, read for comprehension, my, bad.
True.See? It's all about hating Obama.
Most on the right will spin, distort, contrive, and lie about events in an effort to attack the president for some perceived partisan gain.
Are you saying the left won't spin, distort, contrive and lie about events in an effort to make the President look good for some perceived partisan gain?
Stephanie
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True.See? It's all about hating Obama.
Most on the right will spin, distort, contrive, and lie about events in an effort to attack the president for some perceived partisan gain.
Are you saying the left won't spin, distort, contrive and lie about events in an effort to make the President look good for some perceived partisan gain?
that's all they do. The most corrupted, least transparent , feeds lie after lie I have ever lived under since Carter
Roadrunner
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Obama makes LBJ(the Democratic Party's non-person, whose name should not be uttered) look like George Fuckin' Washington!True.See? It's all about hating Obama.
Most on the right will spin, distort, contrive, and lie about events in an effort to attack the president for some perceived partisan gain.
Are you saying the left won't spin, distort, contrive and lie about events in an effort to make the President look good for some perceived partisan gain?
that's all they do. The most corrupted, least transparent , feeds lie after lie I have ever lived under since Carter
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