Right To Work...

[Political Junky]

What does "RIGHT TO WORK" mean... what a stupid name. Right to work is a clever way of chiseling away at the rights of workers. This is an anti worker nation. But there is the right to work for lower wages.

It means, Right to Work for Less, as pointed out in the OP.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I'm actually shocked so many support forcing others to join Unions. It's very Un-American. All States should be 'Right to Work' States. If Unions truly are so great, they shouldn't have to force people to join. People will do it willingly. But they should have the right to decide.

thats the way my union is.....not mandatory.....but yet you get the same benefits....what pissed me off is many of the grievances against management were filed by non members and the union had to represent them....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Can it be that so many of you are so young you don't remember how much better off the average worker was when we had strong unions?

I have it very well at my job and no union got this for me.

then you are one of the lucky ones who work for a good company.....

 

[Plasmaball]

"Union" is nothing more than a code word for extortion. What they do is illegal and they should be banned.

and thats not what they do. Had you people not gutted them so badly they would actually do good things. . You bought into the myth

 

[Darkwind]

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Right To Work...
...for less

Studies Show Right-To-Work States Have Lower Wages And Benefits

Baker: It "Is Not True" That "In The Absence Of Right-To-Work Laws Workers Can Be Forced To Join A Union." In a February post for the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR), economist Dean Baker wrote:
"Right to work" is a great name from the standpoint of proponents, just like the term "death tax" is effective for opponents of the estate tax, but it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. It is widely believed that in the absence of right-to-work laws workers can be forced to join a union. This is not true. Workers at any workplace always have the option as to whether or not to join a union. [CEPR, 2/28/11]

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...in addition to state-level economic conditions and cost-of-living differences across states. We find the following:
• Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic variables as well as state macroeconomic indicators. Using the average wage in non-RTW states as the base ($22.11), the average full-time, full-year worker in an RTW state makes about $1,500 less annually than a similar worker in a non-RTW state.

• The rate of employer-sponsored health insurance (ESI) is 2.6 percentage points lower in RTW states compared with non-RTW states, after controlling for individual, job, and state-level characteristics. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive ESI at this lower rate, 2 million fewer workers nationally would be covered.

• The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower in RTW states, using the full complement of control variables in our regression model. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive pensions at this lower rate, 3.8 million fewer workers nationally would have pensions. [EPI, 2/17/11]

How does your State's median income compare?
Find out here ☞ http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2015/03/13/personal-median-income-by-state-map/

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He's right, a person can always chose to work somewhere else.

Right to work is a subsection of the Taft-Hartly Act, specifically subsection 14(b) which gives states the right to deny agency shops if they so pass legislation.

An agency shop is one in which money is extorted from the non union members of the company in lieu of union dues.

Right to work simply means that no one can be forced to give up a job because they prefer liberty over extortion.

 

[Plasmaball]

"Union" is nothing more than a code word for extortion. What they do is illegal and they should be banned.

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The market will decide what a fair wage is, not some gangster in a pin striped suit who uses threats and coercion and other strong arm tactics to extort money from businesses, forcing prices higher for the consumer. Most union employees don't deserve half of what they make.

most non-union deserve more than they make and vacations, but they dont typically get that. not in my line of work. your "free market" isnt a workable solution. Its more along the lines said by people who are intellectually lazy.

 

[BluesLegend]

And much lower costs of living

Its hilarious libs think this stuff fools us.

 

[dblack]

"Union" is nothing more than a code word for extortion. What they do is illegal and they should be banned.

That's not really, or at least not originally, the case the case though. The right to unionize and conduct strikes was hard won and just. The problem is that that's been converted into more. Union's should have the right to organize work stoppages and strikes against employers that they disagree with. But they shouldn't have the right to force others to go along with them. If people want to cross the picket line and work for wages, or under conditions, that the unions don't like, they should be free to do that.

It's not unions that are wrong. It's overreaching labor law.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Can it be that so many of you are so young you don't remember how much better off the average worker was when we had strong unions?

I have it very well at my job and no union got this for me.

then you are one of the lucky ones who work for a good company.....

Luck had nothing to do with it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Can it be that so many of you are so young you don't remember how much better off the average worker was when we had strong unions?

I have it very well at my job and no union got this for me.

then you are one of the lucky ones who work for a good company.....

Luck had nothing to do with it.

sure it does....do you think every company takes care of their people?.....i delivered mail to many a successful company....some of them made lots of money but the workers did not get much.....and then there were the ones who actually took care of the workers.....you were one of the lucky ones who hooked up with a good company....

 

[jc456]

Can it be that so many of you are so young you don't remember how much better off the average worker was when we had strong unions?

I have it very well at my job and no union got this for me.

then you are one of the lucky ones who work for a good company.....

Luck had nothing to do with it.

sure it does....do you think every company takes care of their people?.....i delivered mail to many a successful company....some of them made lots of money but the workers did not get much.....and then there were the ones who actually took care of the workers.....you were one of the lucky ones who hooked up with a good company....

Who cares, that isn't the fight. The fight is the right of any person to deny paying Union dues or representation by them. This removes forced dues to those not wishing to belong to a union and still do the work. This is the US.

 

[regent]

Our history seems to point to one reason our problems return. We solve a problem, then with the passage of time, a new generation, and the use of money we forget what the problem was, why it was problem; and want to repeal the solutions.
Wonder why all those workers fought for so long to get unions? Will we now start the whole process again?

 

[Wyatt earp]

What does "RIGHT TO WORK" mean... what a stupid name. Right to work is a clever way of chiseling away at the rights of workers. This is an anti worker nation. But there is the right to work for lower wages.

It means, Right to Work for Less, as pointed out in the OP.

yea, it is well documented that the Union cotton pickers down south were making $50 bucks an hour and when those states went RTW the farmers lowered the pay to Minimum wage

 

[jc456]

I'm actually shocked so many support forcing others to join Unions. It's very Un-American. All States should be 'Right to Work' States. If Unions truly are so great, they shouldn't have to force people to join. People will do it willingly. But they should have the right to decide.

thats the way my union is.....not mandatory.....but yet you get the same benefits....what pissed me off is many of the grievances against management were filed by non members and the union had to represent them....

Wrong , those who removed themselves still had to pay the dues fool.

Btw, those who wish to stay in a union today fears his/her own abilities. Let's call a spade a spade

 

[BULLDOG]

"Union" is nothing more than a code word for extortion. What they do is illegal and they should be banned.

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The market will decide what a fair wage is, not some gangster in a pin striped suit who uses threats and coercion and other strong arm tactics to extort money from businesses, forcing prices higher for the consumer. Most union employees don't deserve half of what they make.

You didn't have to tell us you hate Americans, we already knew.

It makes perfect sense-----perfect sense for the Corpratacracy to take away workers protection to get a day of rest (even God had to rest). Right To Work laws could lower family income by over $5K/yr FORCING workers to accept no rest this week, then no rest next week, then no rest the week after that, then no rest... -- and that just to keep from drowning in debt.

Walker would have a case to make to GOP voters if these policies yielded higher job growth. They haven't. Bloomberg economic analyst Christopher Flavelle wrote recently that as measured by improvement in "the living standards of the people he represents... Walker's tenure falls somewhere between lackluster and a failure." ~ Michael Hiltzik​

Could Wisconsin's Scott Walker now abolish the weekend?
Michael Hiltzik
March 20, 2015

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a leading aspirant for the Republican nomination for president, made his state the 25th "right-to-work" state in the nation on March 9 when he signed a measure passed by the Republican-controlled legislature.

He may soon get another crack at a worker-unfriendly law: Legislators have introduced a bill to abolish employees' legal right to at least one day off per week.

State law currently allows factory or retail employees to work seven days or more in a row for a limited period, but they and their employer have to jointly petition the Department of Workforce Development for a waiver. These petitions apparently number a couple of hundred a year. The new proposal would allow workers to "voluntarily choose" to work without a day of rest. The state agency wouldn't have a say.

It can't be a secret what "voluntarily" really means in this context. As Marquette University law professor Paul Secunda told the Nation, the measure "completely ignores the power dynamic in the workplace, where workers often have a proverbial gun to the head." Workers will know that if the boss demands it, they'll be volunteering or else.

<snip>

Since Walker took office, Wisconsin's economic performance has ranked a dismal 35th in Bloomberg's economic index of states. Private sector job growth lags behind such neighboring states as Minnesota and Michigan -- not to mention California, where labor and fiscal policies are at the opposite pole from Walker's. Bloomberg's index of share values for Wisconsin-based public companies shows they lag well behind Iowa, Minnesota and the median state. (See accompanying graphics package for details.)

This week brought another dose of bad news for Walker: his state fell to 38th in the nation in job growth for the year ended Sept. 30, 2014, at 1.16%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. (For comparison, California ranked seventh, at 3.1%.)

Wisconsin's budget situation is dire, with state tax revenue increasing at a fraction of the rate of the median state--4% vs. 20%--in 2011-14. In February, the state announced it would delay a scheduled $108-million principal payment on its debt. Under Walker, Wisconsinites seem to be facing a double-whammy--lousy performance at the state level, and a continuing assault on their household income.


Myths And Facts About "Right-To-Work" Laws

Are workers in states without right-to-work laws forced to join unions?

Do right-to-work laws lead to higher wages and benefits?

Will right-to-work laws lead to lower unemployment in states that adopt them?

Do right-to-work laws protect workers from supporting political activities they disagree with?

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Anyone who disagrees with the union mentality hates America? Good luck with that, wacko.

In order to get fair wages for the workers...Yes, people have to strong arm and do things that in a perfect world we wouldn't need to do.

Joining together to negotiate a better agreement for everyone is not strong arming anyone. A single individual negotiating against a corporation has no power at all, but a group standing together can demand and receive fairness. That's why the right hates unions. Their corporate owners don't like it when the workers expect fairness.

 

[jc456]

Our history seems to point to one reason our problems return. We solve a problem, then with the passage of time, a new generation, and the use of money we forget what the problem was, why it was problem; and want to repeal the solutions.
Wonder why all those workers fought for so long to get unions? Will we now start the whole process again?

Keep telling yourself that fool

 

[jc456]

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The market will decide what a fair wage is, not some gangster in a pin striped suit who uses threats and coercion and other strong arm tactics to extort money from businesses, forcing prices higher for the consumer. Most union employees don't deserve half of what they make.

You didn't have to tell us you hate Americans, we already knew.

It makes perfect sense-----perfect sense for the Corpratacracy to take away workers protection to get a day of rest (even God had to rest). Right To Work laws could lower family income by over $5K/yr FORCING workers to accept no rest this week, then no rest next week, then no rest the week after that, then no rest... -- and that just to keep from drowning in debt.

Walker would have a case to make to GOP voters if these policies yielded higher job growth. They haven't. Bloomberg economic analyst Christopher Flavelle wrote recently that as measured by improvement in "the living standards of the people he represents... Walker's tenure falls somewhere between lackluster and a failure." ~ Michael Hiltzik​

Could Wisconsin's Scott Walker now abolish the weekend?
Michael Hiltzik
March 20, 2015

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a leading aspirant for the Republican nomination for president, made his state the 25th "right-to-work" state in the nation on March 9 when he signed a measure passed by the Republican-controlled legislature.

He may soon get another crack at a worker-unfriendly law: Legislators have introduced a bill to abolish employees' legal right to at least one day off per week.

State law currently allows factory or retail employees to work seven days or more in a row for a limited period, but they and their employer have to jointly petition the Department of Workforce Development for a waiver. These petitions apparently number a couple of hundred a year. The new proposal would allow workers to "voluntarily choose" to work without a day of rest. The state agency wouldn't have a say.

It can't be a secret what "voluntarily" really means in this context. As Marquette University law professor Paul Secunda told the Nation, the measure "completely ignores the power dynamic in the workplace, where workers often have a proverbial gun to the head." Workers will know that if the boss demands it, they'll be volunteering or else.

<snip>

Since Walker took office, Wisconsin's economic performance has ranked a dismal 35th in Bloomberg's economic index of states. Private sector job growth lags behind such neighboring states as Minnesota and Michigan -- not to mention California, where labor and fiscal policies are at the opposite pole from Walker's. Bloomberg's index of share values for Wisconsin-based public companies shows they lag well behind Iowa, Minnesota and the median state. (See accompanying graphics package for details.)

This week brought another dose of bad news for Walker: his state fell to 38th in the nation in job growth for the year ended Sept. 30, 2014, at 1.16%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. (For comparison, California ranked seventh, at 3.1%.)

Wisconsin's budget situation is dire, with state tax revenue increasing at a fraction of the rate of the median state--4% vs. 20%--in 2011-14. In February, the state announced it would delay a scheduled $108-million principal payment on its debt. Under Walker, Wisconsinites seem to be facing a double-whammy--lousy performance at the state level, and a continuing assault on their household income.


Myths And Facts About "Right-To-Work" Laws

Are workers in states without right-to-work laws forced to join unions?

Do right-to-work laws lead to higher wages and benefits?

Will right-to-work laws lead to lower unemployment in states that adopt them?

Do right-to-work laws protect workers from supporting political activities they disagree with?

.

Anyone who disagrees with the union mentality hates America? Good luck with that, wacko.

In order to get fair wages for the workers...Yes, people have to strong arm and do things that in a perfect world we wouldn't need to do.

Joining together to negotiate a better agreement for everyone is not strong arming anyone. A single individual negotiating against a corporation has no power at all, but a group standing together can demand and receive fairness. That's why the right hates unions. Their corporate owners don't like it when the workers expect fairness.

Holy crap you are dilusional today fool

 

[Wyatt earp]

What does "RIGHT TO WORK" mean... what a stupid name. Right to work is a clever way of chiseling away at the rights of workers. This is an anti worker nation. But there is the right to work for lower wages.

It means, Right to Work for Less, as pointed out in the OP.

You leftest fools love your propaganda and love to rewrite history that's one of the reasons why the new generation of rednecks started to vote Republican they didn't want to make crap wages in they fields, they wanted manufacturing jobs and they got it thanks to republican leadership.

 

[BULLDOG]

The market will decide what a fair wage is, not some gangster in a pin striped suit who uses threats and coercion and other strong arm tactics to extort money from businesses, forcing prices higher for the consumer. Most union employees don't deserve half of what they make.

You didn't have to tell us you hate Americans, we already knew.

It makes perfect sense-----perfect sense for the Corpratacracy to take away workers protection to get a day of rest (even God had to rest). Right To Work laws could lower family income by over $5K/yr FORCING workers to accept no rest this week, then no rest next week, then no rest the week after that, then no rest... -- and that just to keep from drowning in debt.

Walker would have a case to make to GOP voters if these policies yielded higher job growth. They haven't. Bloomberg economic analyst Christopher Flavelle wrote recently that as measured by improvement in "the living standards of the people he represents... Walker's tenure falls somewhere between lackluster and a failure." ~ Michael Hiltzik​

Could Wisconsin's Scott Walker now abolish the weekend?
Michael Hiltzik
March 20, 2015

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a leading aspirant for the Republican nomination for president, made his state the 25th "right-to-work" state in the nation on March 9 when he signed a measure passed by the Republican-controlled legislature.

He may soon get another crack at a worker-unfriendly law: Legislators have introduced a bill to abolish employees' legal right to at least one day off per week.

State law currently allows factory or retail employees to work seven days or more in a row for a limited period, but they and their employer have to jointly petition the Department of Workforce Development for a waiver. These petitions apparently number a couple of hundred a year. The new proposal would allow workers to "voluntarily choose" to work without a day of rest. The state agency wouldn't have a say.

It can't be a secret what "voluntarily" really means in this context. As Marquette University law professor Paul Secunda told the Nation, the measure "completely ignores the power dynamic in the workplace, where workers often have a proverbial gun to the head." Workers will know that if the boss demands it, they'll be volunteering or else.

<snip>

Since Walker took office, Wisconsin's economic performance has ranked a dismal 35th in Bloomberg's economic index of states. Private sector job growth lags behind such neighboring states as Minnesota and Michigan -- not to mention California, where labor and fiscal policies are at the opposite pole from Walker's. Bloomberg's index of share values for Wisconsin-based public companies shows they lag well behind Iowa, Minnesota and the median state. (See accompanying graphics package for details.)

This week brought another dose of bad news for Walker: his state fell to 38th in the nation in job growth for the year ended Sept. 30, 2014, at 1.16%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. (For comparison, California ranked seventh, at 3.1%.)

Wisconsin's budget situation is dire, with state tax revenue increasing at a fraction of the rate of the median state--4% vs. 20%--in 2011-14. In February, the state announced it would delay a scheduled $108-million principal payment on its debt. Under Walker, Wisconsinites seem to be facing a double-whammy--lousy performance at the state level, and a continuing assault on their household income.


Myths And Facts About "Right-To-Work" Laws

Are workers in states without right-to-work laws forced to join unions?

Do right-to-work laws lead to higher wages and benefits?

Will right-to-work laws lead to lower unemployment in states that adopt them?

Do right-to-work laws protect workers from supporting political activities they disagree with?

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Anyone who disagrees with the union mentality hates America? Good luck with that, wacko.

In order to get fair wages for the workers...Yes, people have to strong arm and do things that in a perfect world we wouldn't need to do.

Joining together to negotiate a better agreement for everyone is not strong arming anyone. A single individual negotiating against a corporation has no power at all, but a group standing together can demand and receive fairness. That's why the right hates unions. Their corporate owners don't like it when the workers expect fairness.

Holy crap you are dilution all today fool

I suppose one of is delusional all of today. It's not me.

 

[BULLDOG]

What does "RIGHT TO WORK" mean... what a stupid name. Right to work is a clever way of chiseling away at the rights of workers. This is an anti worker nation. But there is the right to work for lower wages.

It means, Right to Work for Less, as pointed out in the OP.

You leftest fools love your propaganda and love to rewrite history that's one of the reasons why the new generation of rednecks started to vote Republican they didn't want to make crap wages in they fields, they wanted manufacturing jobs and they got it thanks to republican leadership.

Most manufacturing jobs have been shipped over seas, thanks to greedy corporations, and republicans giving them tax breaks to do it.