Right as usual Mr. Trump - NFL protesters should be canned

[The Professor]

At the very least, players who refuse to stand and respect this country should have to stay in the locker room until after the anthem is played.

Who said they dont respect the country? Its the anthem that they dont respect.

Why?

What about these lyrics is so offensive?

"
Lyrics
Oh, say can you see,
By the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed,
At the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars,
Through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched,
Were so gallantly streaming.
And the rocket's red glare,
The bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night,
That our flag was still there.
Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave,
For the land of the free, and the home of the brave."

You missed the racist part where he gloated about killing Blacks fighting for their freedom.

"And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave."

Not everyone agrees with your interpretation of the third verse of the Star Spangled Banner. Some believe the words “hireling and slave” refers to the British use of paid mercenaries and those who have been commandeered into military service. Here are a few links that explain this alternate interpretation:

The National Anthem Does Not 'Celebrate Slavery': The Meaning of Lyric Used to Defend Kaepernick

Star Spangled Banner Lyrics and Meaning ***

I believe the alternate interpretation to be correct because it is consistent with the tone of the entire verse which taunted the British and vowed they would never prevail against America. It is also important to remember the hireling and slave were to be subject to the same treatment: “No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave..” Now a hireling by definition is a working man or wage earner. There is no way that the Star Spangled Banner could be interpreted to brag about the death of American working men who volunteered for military service; therefore, it is reasonable to assume the disputed words applied to British mercenaries and those forced by the British into military service.

Having said all that, I never liked the song. It is too difficult for most people to sing, it glorifies war, it's language is archaic and it's meaning often unclear.

They dont have to agree with my interpretation. I think its a stretch to say that a guy that owned slaves, fought against abolition, represented slave owners trying to capture runaway slaves, and just got his ass kicked royally by Black British troops was giving the word "slave" an alternate meaning and was not referencing Blacks. That kind of mental gymnastics must be pretty tiring. In this case Occams Razor definitely applies. Yeah your link lacks a lot of credibility when it starts off like this.....

"the left has been playing really bad defense in justification of Colin Kaepernick's national anthem protest,"

and like I already pointed out they did indeed attempt some amazing feats of mental gymnastics trying to make their non point a point.

"the verse at hand doesn't necessarily even refer to runaway American slaves fleeing from their former masters. It may mean slaves who were fighting with the British against the United States during the War of 1812.":

Wow!! just wow!!

You missed the point. Let me try one last time.

The disputed words applied to both hirelings and slaves, not just to slaves; therefore, if – as you suggest - the words bragged about the death of American slaves, they must also brag about the death of working Americans who volunteered for military service. You cannot logically assert the words applied to slaves and not to hirelings when the words clearly apply to both classes of people.

I suggest you read the words again: “No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave.” Now, keeping in mind these words also apply to hirelings (working men who volunteered for military service, which hirelings do you believe the words applied to: British mercenaries or Americans servicemen? Once you realize the words could only apply to British mercenaries you will understand that the word slave did not apply to American slaves but to those who were forced into service by the British.

You have the last word. I've said everything I wanted to say and I'm outta here.

 

[Asclepias]

This is how you know most people are sheep. Kap plainly stated he was protesting the anthem but illiterates turned it into the military, god, mother theresa, and santa claus in their minds.

He's was/is dating one of those BLM traps, oh well, he's grown man and perfectly suited to ruining his good fortune for yet another Democratic Party race baiting poor me slut.

Not sure what who Kap is dating has to do with the point that the national anthem was written by a racist?

I just don't believe you can pick and choose which racist you like and don't and not be considered both dishonest or hypocritical. Times have changed but you can't change history. I'm thinking Democrats are pushing the race card, dividing the country yet again and have very few successes for the Black race, sheesh, even Obama diddy squat and only made conditions worse.

Its really none of my business what you believe. Its pretty much irrelevant to my convictions. I was just wondering what who Kap was dating had to do with the national anthem being written by a racist? How are those two points connected and I would love to see the logic you used to arrive there.

ummm, I'm sleepy

Pussy whipped Kap. disrespected America and her flag with the now afterthought that the national anthem was written by a racist way back in historical 1814 when America was slave country and all of us weren't there logically or physically ... just enjoy the sentiment and the historical significance of the many times the anthem has been heartfelt and embraced by Americans through her patriotic history... whew

Well, I tried, how did I do...

I'd have to say that was a pretty pathetic attempt to excuse the fact that the national anthem was written by a racist. There are a million songs one could use. It should be changed.

 

[Asclepias]

Who said they dont respect the country? Its the anthem that they dont respect.

Why?

What about these lyrics is so offensive?

"
Lyrics
Oh, say can you see,
By the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed,
At the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars,
Through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched,
Were so gallantly streaming.
And the rocket's red glare,
The bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night,
That our flag was still there.
Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave,
For the land of the free, and the home of the brave."

You missed the racist part where he gloated about killing Blacks fighting for their freedom.

"And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave."

Not everyone agrees with your interpretation of the third verse of the Star Spangled Banner. Some believe the words “hireling and slave” refers to the British use of paid mercenaries and those who have been commandeered into military service. Here are a few links that explain this alternate interpretation:

The National Anthem Does Not 'Celebrate Slavery': The Meaning of Lyric Used to Defend Kaepernick

Star Spangled Banner Lyrics and Meaning ***

I believe the alternate interpretation to be correct because it is consistent with the tone of the entire verse which taunted the British and vowed they would never prevail against America. It is also important to remember the hireling and slave were to be subject to the same treatment: “No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave..” Now a hireling by definition is a working man or wage earner. There is no way that the Star Spangled Banner could be interpreted to brag about the death of American working men who volunteered for military service; therefore, it is reasonable to assume the disputed words applied to British mercenaries and those forced by the British into military service.

Having said all that, I never liked the song. It is too difficult for most people to sing, it glorifies war, it's language is archaic and it's meaning often unclear.

They dont have to agree with my interpretation. I think its a stretch to say that a guy that owned slaves, fought against abolition, represented slave owners trying to capture runaway slaves, and just got his ass kicked royally by Black British troops was giving the word "slave" an alternate meaning and was not referencing Blacks. That kind of mental gymnastics must be pretty tiring. In this case Occams Razor definitely applies. Yeah your link lacks a lot of credibility when it starts off like this.....

"the left has been playing really bad defense in justification of Colin Kaepernick's national anthem protest,"

and like I already pointed out they did indeed attempt some amazing feats of mental gymnastics trying to make their non point a point.

"the verse at hand doesn't necessarily even refer to runaway American slaves fleeing from their former masters. It may mean slaves who were fighting with the British against the United States during the War of 1812.":

Wow!! just wow!!

You missed the point. Let me try one last time.

The disputed words applied to both hirelings and slaves, not just to slaves; therefore, if – as you suggest - the words bragged about the death of American slaves, they must also brag about the death of working Americans who volunteered for military service. You cannot logically assert the words applied to slaves and not to hirelings when the words clearly apply to both classes of people.

I suggest you read the words again: “No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave.” Now, keeping in mind these words also apply to hirelings (working men who volunteered for military service, which hirelings do you believe the words applied to: British mercenaries or Americans servicemen? Once you realize the words could only apply to British mercenaries you will understand that the word slave did not apply to American slaves but to those who were forced into service by the British.

You have the last word. I've said everything I wanted to say and I'm outta here.

That doesnt make any sense. Are you claiming he was happy that hirelings (that could have been free Blacks) defected to the British and helped kick his ass? Yes I missed your point I must admit.

I read the words again and nothing you or your link suggested changed the meaning in my mind as to the intent in his words. I dont understand why you believe Scott would be glorifiying what in his mind were Benedict Arnolds (assuming they were even white). More realistically he wouldnt have anything but disdain for the hirelings and the slaves when they were fighting with the British. Do you really expect me to even believe you believe that?

 

[monkrules]

You missed the point. Let me try one last time.

The disputed words applied to both hirelings and slaves, not just to slaves; therefore, if – as you suggest - the words bragged about the death of American slaves, they must also brag about the death of working Americans who volunteered for military service. You cannot logically assert the words applied to slaves and not to hirelings when the words clearly apply to both classes of people.

I suggest you read the words again: “No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave.” Now, keeping in mind these words also apply to hirelings (working men who volunteered for military service, which hirelings do you believe the words applied to: British mercenaries or Americans servicemen? Once you realize the words could only apply to British mercenaries you will understand that the word slave did not apply to American slaves but to those who were forced into service by the British.

You have the last word. I've said everything I wanted to say and I'm outta here.

I agree with you. But you're asking a lot of the protesters, probably far more than they're capable of.

It's easier to continue whining than to read, think, understand, and admit one's error.

 

[BULLDOG]

I agree with trump on this one. These brainless ingrates have every right to protest, BUT, they should not be doing it at the stadium (or anyplace else where they happen to be working). All these stupid asses are doing is alienating fans and costing their team owners money.

These people (yes, 'these people') will never run out of things to protest in America. That's the only thing they can actually produce: a great, noisy, never-ending WHINE.

So football teams are sacred now? You know they are nothing but multi million dollar businesses, don't you?

 

[Lumpy 1]

He's was/is dating one of those BLM traps, oh well, he's grown man and perfectly suited to ruining his good fortune for yet another Democratic Party race baiting poor me slut.

Not sure what who Kap is dating has to do with the point that the national anthem was written by a racist?

I just don't believe you can pick and choose which racist you like and don't and not be considered both dishonest or hypocritical. Times have changed but you can't change history. I'm thinking Democrats are pushing the race card, dividing the country yet again and have very few successes for the Black race, sheesh, even Obama diddy squat and only made conditions worse.

Its really none of my business what you believe. Its pretty much irrelevant to my convictions. I was just wondering what who Kap was dating had to do with the national anthem being written by a racist? How are those two points connected and I would love to see the logic you used to arrive there.

ummm, I'm sleepy

Pussy whipped Kap. disrespected America and her flag with the now afterthought that the national anthem was written by a racist way back in historical 1814 when America was slave country and all of us weren't there logically or physically ... just enjoy the sentiment and the historical significance of the many times the anthem has been heartfelt and embraced by Americans through her patriotic history... whew

Well, I tried, how did I do...

I'd have to say that was a pretty pathetic attempt to excuse the fact that the national anthem was written by a racist. There are a million songs one could use. It should be changed.

Okay, I'm spent and I think I need a beer or 2.... sheesh...

 

[Billy000]

Tell you what, I like our POUS. His blunt honesty is refreshing. I like most of his policies. And the way he tells PC to get fkd is even better.

Trump is right as usual here. These "protesters" are wrong & disrespectful attention whores. For too many reasons they should be fired. Jerry Jones laid down the law immediately too. Go figure they had a great season.

Trump says NFL should fire players who kneel during anthem

If they are such attention whores, then why do you give them attention? Lol

How about you and Trump stop being drama queen snowflakes and just ignore them? If you don't like their expression of FREE speech, ignore it and move on with your life. Their careers shouldn't be ruined because of your fascist view of the national anthem.

"I disapprove with what you say, but I will fight to death your right to say it."

- Book of Voltaire

 

[Lumpy 1]

Who said they dont respect the country? Its the anthem that they dont respect.

Why?

What about these lyrics is so offensive?

"
Lyrics
Oh, say can you see,
By the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed,
At the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars,
Through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched,
Were so gallantly streaming.
And the rocket's red glare,
The bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night,
That our flag was still there.
Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave,
For the land of the free, and the home of the brave."

You missed the racist part where he gloated about killing Blacks fighting for their freedom.

"And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave."

Not everyone agrees with your interpretation of the third verse of the Star Spangled Banner. Some believe the words “hireling and slave” refers to the British use of paid mercenaries and those who have been commandeered into military service. Here are a few links that explain this alternate interpretation:

The National Anthem Does Not 'Celebrate Slavery': The Meaning of Lyric Used to Defend Kaepernick

Star Spangled Banner Lyrics and Meaning ***

I believe the alternate interpretation to be correct because it is consistent with the tone of the entire verse which taunted the British and vowed they would never prevail against America. It is also important to remember the hireling and slave were to be subject to the same treatment: “No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave..” Now a hireling by definition is a working man or wage earner. There is no way that the Star Spangled Banner could be interpreted to brag about the death of American working men who volunteered for military service; therefore, it is reasonable to assume the disputed words applied to British mercenaries and those forced by the British into military service.

Having said all that, I never liked the song. It is too difficult for most people to sing, it glorifies war, it's language is archaic and it's meaning often unclear.

They dont have to agree with my interpretation. I think its a stretch to say that a guy that owned slaves, fought against abolition, represented slave owners trying to capture runaway slaves, and just got his ass kicked royally by Black British troops was giving the word "slave" an alternate meaning and was not referencing Blacks. That kind of mental gymnastics must be pretty tiring. In this case Occams Razor definitely applies. Yeah your link lacks a lot of credibility when it starts off like this.....

"the left has been playing really bad defense in justification of Colin Kaepernick's national anthem protest,"

and like I already pointed out they did indeed attempt some amazing feats of mental gymnastics trying to make their non point a point.

"the verse at hand doesn't necessarily even refer to runaway American slaves fleeing from their former masters. It may mean slaves who were fighting with the British against the United States during the War of 1812.":

Wow!! just wow!!

You missed the point. Let me try one last time.

The disputed words applied to both hirelings and slaves, not just to slaves; therefore, if – as you suggest - the words bragged about the death of American slaves, they must also brag about the death of working Americans who volunteered for military service. You cannot logically assert the words applied to slaves and not to hirelings when the words clearly apply to both classes of people.

I suggest you read the words again: “No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave.” Now, keeping in mind these words also apply to hirelings (working men who volunteered for military service, which hirelings do you believe the words applied to: British mercenaries or Americans servicemen? Once you realize the words could only apply to British mercenaries you will understand that the word slave did not apply to American slaves but to those who were forced into service by the British.

You have the last word. I've said everything I wanted to say and I'm outta here.

Hello Professor, great seeing you around my honored friend..

Damn .. all I got is Coors light...

well, at least it's real cold...

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Usually when folks protest, they are demanding something.


I would side with them, but now that kids in high school and junior high are taking the knee, I'm a bit confused, what are their demands exactly?

To stop playing the racist national anthem probably. i was so proud of a family friends daughter who refused to stand for the anthem. Her and my daughter both play volleyball and there was a shit storm. I actually had to challenge some of the crackas in the stand. I let them know if they said anything else they were going to have to deal with me.

Hmm. . .


That's an interesting solution.

So you think we should just be ashamed of the nation and dissolve it?

Nothing that drastic. Just stop playing the racist song.

I guess you will have to excuse my ignorance. . .

please spell out how it is racist.

Well he gloats about killing Blacks fighting to be free. What part of that is non racist to you?

It's not blacks. It's the English. You know the war of 1812 was against the English.

 

[Asclepias]

To stop playing the racist national anthem probably. i was so proud of a family friends daughter who refused to stand for the anthem. Her and my daughter both play volleyball and there was a shit storm. I actually had to challenge some of the crackas in the stand. I let them know if they said anything else they were going to have to deal with me.

Hmm. . .


That's an interesting solution.

So you think we should just be ashamed of the nation and dissolve it?

Nothing that drastic. Just stop playing the racist song.

I guess you will have to excuse my ignorance. . .

please spell out how it is racist.

Well he gloats about killing Blacks fighting to be free. What part of that is non racist to you?

It's not blacks. It's the English. You know the war of 1812 was against the English.

Yeah but there were Blacks freed slaves fighting with the English. How did you not know that?

Lookup the Colonial Marines so next time you wont be so clueless.

Corps of Colonial Marines - Wikipedia

 

[Issa]

So the Orangina man is mad because some of the people are standing to racism? good to know!!!

 

[frigidweirdo]

I'm trying to see both sides, it's difficult for me to.

On one hand, yes free speech and a man's right to earn a living. Take it from me, when the latter is taken from you, your dignity is gone and all you have is pursuit of justice and/or revenge. On the other hand, on your employers dime, you should not engage in political theatre.

If they want to stand outside a news network or police station wearing a sign around their neck or a shirt for the cause, that's their business as it is their time. At least in my humble opinion.

Bringing it to work and using the media coverage as your platform and thus associating your opinions with the team and league? Not right. It is costing the league big time and it may not recover for some time. It's not as if the new breed of Snowflake, non-violent, politically correct progressives are going to be looking at following the NFL. So where will the growth come from?

Like any business, if you don't like your employee doing certain things, there is recourse to this. You can put things in the contracts to make them not do it, you fine them, fire them etc.

But the problem is that the team wants the best players. The biggest problem with the NFL is it is massive Communism. In Soccer each player in Europe is sought after or not based on a Capitalistic system, the NFL is just one big monopoly of nonsense and they could sort it out if they wanted to.

 

[debbiedowner]

I dont like the orange monkey. The NFL players should tell him to go suck a dick.

Usually when folks protest, they are demanding something.


I would side with them, but now that kids in high school and junior high are taking the knee, I'm a bit confused, what are their demands exactly?

1st amendment maybe? Freedom of expression? Many of us vets served so people could exercise their rights but now many vets and others want to take that away. Go figure.

It's their right if they don't want to stand or want to kneel.

 

[Geaux4it]

I dont like the orange monkey. The NFL players should tell him to go suck a dick.

Usually when folks protest, they are demanding something.


I would side with them, but now that kids in high school and junior high are taking the knee, I'm a bit confused, what are their demands exactly?

To stop playing the racist national anthem probably. i was so proud of a family friends daughter who refused to stand for the anthem. Her and my daughter both play volleyball and there was a shit storm. I actually had to challenge some of the crackas in the stand. I let them know if they said anything else they were going to have to deal with me.

Why don't you move to Venezaula or something

-Geaux

 

[LoneLaugher]

I dont like the orange monkey. The NFL players should tell him to go suck a dick.

Usually when folks protest, they are demanding something.


I would side with them, but now that kids in high school and junior high are taking the knee, I'm a bit confused, what are their demands exactly?

Nutbags are in a perpetual state of confusion. It's how we got Trump.

Gee whiz, Cletus, I can't figure out why them ball players are kneeling down. Can't understand in no ways.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I dont like the orange monkey. The NFL players should tell him to go suck a dick.

Sucking Dick, that's the first thing you thought of? ...

Suck a dick. But no that wasn the first thing I thought of. The first thing I thought of was too vile to type out.

Thank you for the education on this issue.

I think a possible solution, which I had always heard people talk about since I was a kid around the bicentennial, is a change in the national anthem.

Perhaps to "America," or Woody Guthrie's "This Land." Or something else.

Colin Kaepernick Is Righter Than You Know: The National Anthem Is a Celebration of Slavery
Colin Kaepernick Is Righter Than You Know: The National Anthem Is a Celebration of Slavery
It's too bad the protest is becoming more problematic than what the protest is about. I was listening to several talk shows today, and honestly, most folks don't even know what this guy wanted. They think he is against them, unpatriotic, and unAmerican, I don't think they really understand how close everyone is on this issue.

It really is a matter of opening communication, furthering dialog. But that's not good for the elites, nor is it good for ratings. The rulers want conflict.

Refreshing. You actually accepted information.

When we are close, and the POTUS is highlighting the gap, what's the appropriate response?

 

[Lumpy 1]

So the Orangina man is mad because some of the people are standing to racism? good to know!!!

Yup, 500+ murdered in Chicago's Democrat ghettos so far this year and Democrats do nothing about it
but deny they're racists...

 

[Mac1958]

I'm guessing he's sensing political opportunity with this. He didn't just blurt this out, as blurty as he can be.

 

[Geaux4it]

Man, this is the kind of POTUS we've needed in America.

-Geaux

 

[Penelope]

Man, this is the kind of POTUS we've needed in America.

-Geaux

Really rather like a dictator don't you think, he fires at a whim, everyone should worry about job security.