Republicans and Poverty

[Theowl32]

Here we go again. Obviously there is a disconnect with respect to definitions. "Name calling" is not "exposing." See now, that's how you logically argue. This lesson is free but the next ones gonna cost you.

Coming from someone who lacks the basic comprehension to understand that taxation is not "stealing" that is amusing.

Are all Libertarians this childlike in their feeble grasp of reality or is it only confined to USMB members?

Taxation is a means to secure funds to support serveries that benefit us all. The military, for example, benefits us all. There may be discussion on how the military benefits us at any given time but it is there for us all nonetheless. Voting money away from one group so as to unduly grant a privilege to another is simply the tyranny of the majority. It's not the general welfare that benefits from such a transaction but the specific welfare of one group or another (Clear distinction). That's exactly what the U.S. Constitution was designed to forbid at the federal level. Now this is not to say that the states can't come up with their own scheme. They have the power to and ought to. But when there is little to no return on our money in the form of people clawing their way out of poverty and becoming productive taxpaying citizens then I think I am justified in asserting that I am not greedy for realizing that paying for the poor is increasing poverty. Besides, there is no such thing as "poor" in the United States. Oh you may have a standard to which you judge is "poor," but I don't see starving people in the streets urinating on the sidewalk as I have in so many other countries. The "poor" of the United States is the worlds middle class. We no longer have debates, for example, about feeding the poor. We only have debates about feeding the poor in a healthy manner. So excuse me if I reject your notions of poverty and entitlement. Everyone can't be winners but if you can't make it here then you are a loser who made too many bad decisions and the taxpayer owes you nothing for your chosen lifestyle.

Yet another Libertarian screed of selfishness.

What is the alternative to providing support to those less fortunate than you are?

Abject poverty?

Rampant crime?

Diseases and dead people lying in the streets?

Urchins begging on corners?

The poor selling their children?

That is the alternative to your selfish greed. By eliminating what they receive today you will be turning this country into a 3rd world nation.

All because you have a fallacious sense of entitlement that you don't have to pay taxes to live in this civilized society.

Carry on being a selfish Libertarian because you obviously lack the cognitive skills necessary to make the connection as to what will happen here when you cut off all welfare of the less fortunate. You will just blame the victims of your greed because you cannot make the obvious mental leaps.

The OP started by pointing out that he was raised with a sound work ethic and yet, through no fault of his own, he finds himself in poverty. He didn't make a "poor choice" to be afflicted with OCD. That is what happens to some people.

You lack the basic human empathy to put yourself in the OP's shoes and wonder what it would be like to be him.

That is why you are a greedy and selfish Libertarian who doesn't know how to "play nicely with others". You cannot comprehend that for millions of your fellow Americans they never made the "poor choice" to be born into poverty. But you blame them for their circumstances even though they are probably better human beings than you will ever be.

There you go again. Making a point on empathy is completely separate from making a point on logic. In the end your argument rests on feelings, and that makes it a poor argument. Essentially, you're beef is that I don't "feel" the way you do. And, of course, those that err on the side of logic instead of your feelings should be what? Condemned? Ridiculed?

A selfish and/or greedy act is an act that takes without compensation at the expense of another. I advocate for none of that whilst you demand it. Who's selfish again?

Now with that out of the way might I push you into a realm in which your argument becomes logical? How does "everyone" benefit from making the poor comfortable in their poverty?

Yet another deflection because you cannot address your Libertarian selfishness and greed.

Answer the question.

What is your viable and feasible alternative to eliminating support for the less fortunate?

Provide them with choices and opportunity. Not hand outs better known as pay offs and convincing them they are perpetual fucking victims of white right wingers with built in excuses.

You are a fucking miserable hack who pushes this fucking utopia and pretend to actually believe there is some system that is "fair" for everyone.

Either that, or you are too stupid to see how you are used a pawn by perpetuating the myth.

Your arguments are childish and plays on the EMOTIONS of the ignorant who seem to make more decisions based on emotion.

You fucking people are pathetic.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Eliminating burdensome regulations is NOT equal to wanting to pollute the whole world. It is a lie and a tactic used by people to silence discussion on practical job creation.

It is nonsense, liberally packaged and hence, nonsensical rhetoric.

These are YOUR own words;

"eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses"

Look at what happened when republicans deregulated the Wall Street Casino. They went wild and caused the largest economic collapse since the great depression out of sheer greed and avarice.

Now you want to repeat that abysmal failure of deregulation clear across every single industry and expect there to be a different result?

Look at what happened when republicans deregulated the Wall Street Casino.

When was Wall Street deregulated?
What happened when the supposed regulation was removed?
Be specific.

Bush s polices of Wall Street deregulation and allowing Frannie Freddie to expand with another 440 Billion American Dream act caused the Crash of 2008.

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated, controls set in place by FDR to prevent another Great Depression were removed. Speculation increased 400%(leveraging at 20:1), with WS holding 80% of the futures, speculating oil, food prices up as much as 400%. Health insurance increased 300%. Increases not seen over decades!

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated,

That's an interesting claim, but I didn't see any specifics in your link.

Speculation increased 400%

That's awful, but speculation was allowed, even under FDR.

As expected you never bothered to read the linked article and by failing to do so you disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation since you have nothing of any value to add. Have a nice day.

I read the "article". It didn't explain the so called 2001 deregulation of speculation.
It's okay if you can't prove your claim, I understand.

I agree about Fannie and Freddie, Bush should have killed those lib corps, instead of expanding them.

 

[rdean]

Hey, I'm new. One of the things that confuses me the most about the Republican Party is its stance on poverty. I want to start out by saying that I am an Indiana Republican and I grew up middle class. We lived by two common rules. Work Hard, Believe in God. These two things were not a bad thing to grow up on. I had early success in school, and I got a college degree, but my OCD became increasingly worse. I am now disabled and I am well versed in poverty.

I admit that I like watching Fox News, but people like O'Reily and Hannity seem completely clueless when discussing the poor. They think that if you have two parents and a good attitude that everyone can be successful. This is both naive and quite untrue. I think the biggest misconception is that minimum wage jobs are just for teenagers. The idea of working yourself up some kind of ladder is nice, but it is not reality for millions of people. I know many adults who would be grateful for any kind of work, not just some dream job. I want to focus on the mentally ill and those who have various forms of low IQ. If you have never been before a judge for a disability hearing, then you don't know that getting help for a mental disability is nearly impossible. For every person who cheats, there is at least another person who can't get help.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage. I'm not talking raising a family on one income, I'm talking food, gas, and health care for one person. I don't believe in "bad jobs" or meaningless jobs. I think the first step is to get everyone back to 40 hours a week. It is ridiculous that people have to work three part time jobs. I also think that wages can go up without the world coming to an end. I'm sick of hearing about the 100$ cheeseburger and half of all jobs as we know it will disappear. Instead of clinging so tightly to current wages, I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect. Bye the way, It is not just Fox, I have yet to see any Republican candidate or political expert view minimum wage jobs as anything other than high school kids who don't really matter.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage.

Lots of young people believe a lot of silly things.
Hopefully, you'll mature, learn and join us who live in reality.

I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect.

Obama treats them with respect. So much respect he wants to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens who compete with them to hold down their wages.

Not just Obama, but business wants those immigrants here. Republicans are too old, to fat and they have no skills. Republicans are having the problem of being pro business and anti immigrant when business is pro immigrant.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hey, I'm new. One of the things that confuses me the most about the Republican Party is its stance on poverty. I want to start out by saying that I am an Indiana Republican and I grew up middle class. We lived by two common rules. Work Hard, Believe in God. These two things were not a bad thing to grow up on. I had early success in school, and I got a college degree, but my OCD became increasingly worse. I am now disabled and I am well versed in poverty.

I admit that I like watching Fox News, but people like O'Reily and Hannity seem completely clueless when discussing the poor. They think that if you have two parents and a good attitude that everyone can be successful. This is both naive and quite untrue. I think the biggest misconception is that minimum wage jobs are just for teenagers. The idea of working yourself up some kind of ladder is nice, but it is not reality for millions of people. I know many adults who would be grateful for any kind of work, not just some dream job. I want to focus on the mentally ill and those who have various forms of low IQ. If you have never been before a judge for a disability hearing, then you don't know that getting help for a mental disability is nearly impossible. For every person who cheats, there is at least another person who can't get help.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage. I'm not talking raising a family on one income, I'm talking food, gas, and health care for one person. I don't believe in "bad jobs" or meaningless jobs. I think the first step is to get everyone back to 40 hours a week. It is ridiculous that people have to work three part time jobs. I also think that wages can go up without the world coming to an end. I'm sick of hearing about the 100$ cheeseburger and half of all jobs as we know it will disappear. Instead of clinging so tightly to current wages, I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect. Bye the way, It is not just Fox, I have yet to see any Republican candidate or political expert view minimum wage jobs as anything other than high school kids who don't really matter.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage.

Lots of young people believe a lot of silly things.
Hopefully, you'll mature, learn and join us who live in reality.

I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect.

Obama treats them with respect. So much respect he wants to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens who compete with them to hold down their wages.

Not just Obama, but business wants those immigrants here. Republicans are too old, to fat and they have no skills. Republicans are having the problem of being pro business and anti immigrant when business is pro immigrant.

Not just Obama, but business wants those immigrants here.

Obama is siding with business, against American low skilled workers? That's awful!

 

[rdean]

These are YOUR own words;

"eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses"

Look at what happened when republicans deregulated the Wall Street Casino. They went wild and caused the largest economic collapse since the great depression out of sheer greed and avarice.

Now you want to repeat that abysmal failure of deregulation clear across every single industry and expect there to be a different result?

Look at what happened when republicans deregulated the Wall Street Casino.

When was Wall Street deregulated?
What happened when the supposed regulation was removed?
Be specific.

Bush s polices of Wall Street deregulation and allowing Frannie Freddie to expand with another 440 Billion American Dream act caused the Crash of 2008.

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated, controls set in place by FDR to prevent another Great Depression were removed. Speculation increased 400%(leveraging at 20:1), with WS holding 80% of the futures, speculating oil, food prices up as much as 400%. Health insurance increased 300%. Increases not seen over decades!

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated,

That's an interesting claim, but I didn't see any specifics in your link.

Speculation increased 400%

That's awful, but speculation was allowed, even under FDR.

As expected you never bothered to read the linked article and by failing to do so you disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation since you have nothing of any value to add. Have a nice day.

I read the "article". It didn't explain the so called 2001 deregulation of speculation.
It's okay if you can't prove your claim, I understand.

I agree about Fannie and Freddie, Bush should have killed those lib corps, instead of expanding them.

Bush? Republicans held all three branches of government. They used reconciliation three times. Do you remember what for? Freddie and Fannie were not the problems behind the economic meltdown. The problem was derivatives. But once again, ignorant Republicans have fallen to the old GOP shell game of hide the truth be cause truth makes it our fault and they fall for it again and again.

 

[Derideo_Te]

These are YOUR own words;

"eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses"

Look at what happened when republicans deregulated the Wall Street Casino. They went wild and caused the largest economic collapse since the great depression out of sheer greed and avarice.

Now you want to repeat that abysmal failure of deregulation clear across every single industry and expect there to be a different result?

Look at what happened when republicans deregulated the Wall Street Casino.

When was Wall Street deregulated?
What happened when the supposed regulation was removed?
Be specific.

Bush s polices of Wall Street deregulation and allowing Frannie Freddie to expand with another 440 Billion American Dream act caused the Crash of 2008.

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated, controls set in place by FDR to prevent another Great Depression were removed. Speculation increased 400%(leveraging at 20:1), with WS holding 80% of the futures, speculating oil, food prices up as much as 400%. Health insurance increased 300%. Increases not seen over decades!

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated,

That's an interesting claim, but I didn't see any specifics in your link.

Speculation increased 400%

That's awful, but speculation was allowed, even under FDR.

As expected you never bothered to read the linked article and by failing to do so you disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation since you have nothing of any value to add. Have a nice day.

I read the "article". It didn't explain the so called 2001 deregulation of speculation.
It's okay if you can't prove your claim, I understand.

I agree about Fannie and Freddie, Bush should have killed those lib corps, instead of expanding them.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

 

[rdean]

Hey, I'm new. One of the things that confuses me the most about the Republican Party is its stance on poverty. I want to start out by saying that I am an Indiana Republican and I grew up middle class. We lived by two common rules. Work Hard, Believe in God. These two things were not a bad thing to grow up on. I had early success in school, and I got a college degree, but my OCD became increasingly worse. I am now disabled and I am well versed in poverty.

I admit that I like watching Fox News, but people like O'Reily and Hannity seem completely clueless when discussing the poor. They think that if you have two parents and a good attitude that everyone can be successful. This is both naive and quite untrue. I think the biggest misconception is that minimum wage jobs are just for teenagers. The idea of working yourself up some kind of ladder is nice, but it is not reality for millions of people. I know many adults who would be grateful for any kind of work, not just some dream job. I want to focus on the mentally ill and those who have various forms of low IQ. If you have never been before a judge for a disability hearing, then you don't know that getting help for a mental disability is nearly impossible. For every person who cheats, there is at least another person who can't get help.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage. I'm not talking raising a family on one income, I'm talking food, gas, and health care for one person. I don't believe in "bad jobs" or meaningless jobs. I think the first step is to get everyone back to 40 hours a week. It is ridiculous that people have to work three part time jobs. I also think that wages can go up without the world coming to an end. I'm sick of hearing about the 100$ cheeseburger and half of all jobs as we know it will disappear. Instead of clinging so tightly to current wages, I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect. Bye the way, It is not just Fox, I have yet to see any Republican candidate or political expert view minimum wage jobs as anything other than high school kids who don't really matter.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage.

Lots of young people believe a lot of silly things.
Hopefully, you'll mature, learn and join us who live in reality.

I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect.

Obama treats them with respect. So much respect he wants to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens who compete with them to hold down their wages.

Not just Obama, but business wants those immigrants here. Republicans are too old, to fat and they have no skills. Republicans are having the problem of being pro business and anti immigrant when business is pro immigrant.

Not just Obama, but business wants those immigrants here.

Obama is siding with business, against American low skilled workers? That's awful!

No he's not. Obama wants Jr. College and Technical Schools to be free so Americans can compete. Then the low skilled worker immigrant can pick cotton or what ever. Americans would be over qualified for that and get better jobs. But the educated tend to vote Democrat. This is what Republicans fear. There's a reason they want the GOP base to be ignorant.

 

[rdean]

Look at what happened when republicans deregulated the Wall Street Casino.

When was Wall Street deregulated?
What happened when the supposed regulation was removed?
Be specific.

Bush s polices of Wall Street deregulation and allowing Frannie Freddie to expand with another 440 Billion American Dream act caused the Crash of 2008.

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated, controls set in place by FDR to prevent another Great Depression were removed. Speculation increased 400%(leveraging at 20:1), with WS holding 80% of the futures, speculating oil, food prices up as much as 400%. Health insurance increased 300%. Increases not seen over decades!

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated,

That's an interesting claim, but I didn't see any specifics in your link.

Speculation increased 400%

That's awful, but speculation was allowed, even under FDR.

As expected you never bothered to read the linked article and by failing to do so you disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation since you have nothing of any value to add. Have a nice day.

I read the "article". It didn't explain the so called 2001 deregulation of speculation.
It's okay if you can't prove your claim, I understand.

I agree about Fannie and Freddie, Bush should have killed those lib corps, instead of expanding them.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

I know, right?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Look at what happened when republicans deregulated the Wall Street Casino.

When was Wall Street deregulated?
What happened when the supposed regulation was removed?
Be specific.

Bush s polices of Wall Street deregulation and allowing Frannie Freddie to expand with another 440 Billion American Dream act caused the Crash of 2008.

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated, controls set in place by FDR to prevent another Great Depression were removed. Speculation increased 400%(leveraging at 20:1), with WS holding 80% of the futures, speculating oil, food prices up as much as 400%. Health insurance increased 300%. Increases not seen over decades!

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated,

That's an interesting claim, but I didn't see any specifics in your link.

Speculation increased 400%

That's awful, but speculation was allowed, even under FDR.

As expected you never bothered to read the linked article and by failing to do so you disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation since you have nothing of any value to add. Have a nice day.

I read the "article". It didn't explain the so called 2001 deregulation of speculation.
It's okay if you can't prove your claim, I understand.

I agree about Fannie and Freddie, Bush should have killed those lib corps, instead of expanding them.

Bush? Republicans held all three branches of government. They used reconciliation three times. Do you remember what for? Freddie and Fannie were not the problems behind the economic meltdown. The problem was derivatives. But once again, ignorant Republicans have fallen to the old GOP shell game of hide the truth be cause truth makes it our fault and they fall for it again and again.

Freddie and Fannie were not the problems behind the economic meltdown. The problem was derivatives.

How were derivatives the problem?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When was Wall Street deregulated?
What happened when the supposed regulation was removed?
Be specific.

Bush s polices of Wall Street deregulation and allowing Frannie Freddie to expand with another 440 Billion American Dream act caused the Crash of 2008.

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated, controls set in place by FDR to prevent another Great Depression were removed. Speculation increased 400%(leveraging at 20:1), with WS holding 80% of the futures, speculating oil, food prices up as much as 400%. Health insurance increased 300%. Increases not seen over decades!

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated,

That's an interesting claim, but I didn't see any specifics in your link.

Speculation increased 400%

That's awful, but speculation was allowed, even under FDR.

As expected you never bothered to read the linked article and by failing to do so you disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation since you have nothing of any value to add. Have a nice day.

I read the "article". It didn't explain the so called 2001 deregulation of speculation.
It's okay if you can't prove your claim, I understand.

I agree about Fannie and Freddie, Bush should have killed those lib corps, instead of expanding them.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Well gosh, based on your failure to prove your claim, you sure haven't helped anyone reduce their ignorance.
Perhaps you could try again?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Bush s polices of Wall Street deregulation and allowing Frannie Freddie to expand with another 440 Billion American Dream act caused the Crash of 2008.

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated, controls set in place by FDR to prevent another Great Depression were removed. Speculation increased 400%(leveraging at 20:1), with WS holding 80% of the futures, speculating oil, food prices up as much as 400%. Health insurance increased 300%. Increases not seen over decades!

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated,

That's an interesting claim, but I didn't see any specifics in your link.

Speculation increased 400%

That's awful, but speculation was allowed, even under FDR.

As expected you never bothered to read the linked article and by failing to do so you disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation since you have nothing of any value to add. Have a nice day.

I read the "article". It didn't explain the so called 2001 deregulation of speculation.
It's okay if you can't prove your claim, I understand.

I agree about Fannie and Freddie, Bush should have killed those lib corps, instead of expanding them.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Well gosh, based on your failure to prove your claim, you sure haven't helped anyone reduce their ignorance.
Perhaps you could try again?

I am not being paid to provide you with an education. You have the benefit of the internet at your fingertips. Nothing stopping you from googling the role that the Republican deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives played in destroying the economy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hey, I'm new. One of the things that confuses me the most about the Republican Party is its stance on poverty. I want to start out by saying that I am an Indiana Republican and I grew up middle class. We lived by two common rules. Work Hard, Believe in God. These two things were not a bad thing to grow up on. I had early success in school, and I got a college degree, but my OCD became increasingly worse. I am now disabled and I am well versed in poverty.

I admit that I like watching Fox News, but people like O'Reily and Hannity seem completely clueless when discussing the poor. They think that if you have two parents and a good attitude that everyone can be successful. This is both naive and quite untrue. I think the biggest misconception is that minimum wage jobs are just for teenagers. The idea of working yourself up some kind of ladder is nice, but it is not reality for millions of people. I know many adults who would be grateful for any kind of work, not just some dream job. I want to focus on the mentally ill and those who have various forms of low IQ. If you have never been before a judge for a disability hearing, then you don't know that getting help for a mental disability is nearly impossible. For every person who cheats, there is at least another person who can't get help.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage. I'm not talking raising a family on one income, I'm talking food, gas, and health care for one person. I don't believe in "bad jobs" or meaningless jobs. I think the first step is to get everyone back to 40 hours a week. It is ridiculous that people have to work three part time jobs. I also think that wages can go up without the world coming to an end. I'm sick of hearing about the 100$ cheeseburger and half of all jobs as we know it will disappear. Instead of clinging so tightly to current wages, I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect. Bye the way, It is not just Fox, I have yet to see any Republican candidate or political expert view minimum wage jobs as anything other than high school kids who don't really matter.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage.

Lots of young people believe a lot of silly things.
Hopefully, you'll mature, learn and join us who live in reality.

I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect.

Obama treats them with respect. So much respect he wants to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens who compete with them to hold down their wages.

Not just Obama, but business wants those immigrants here. Republicans are too old, to fat and they have no skills. Republicans are having the problem of being pro business and anti immigrant when business is pro immigrant.

Not just Obama, but business wants those immigrants here.

Obama is siding with business, against American low skilled workers? That's awful!

No he's not. Obama wants Jr. College and Technical Schools to be free so Americans can compete. Then the low skilled worker immigrant can pick cotton or what ever. Americans would be over qualified for that and get better jobs. But the educated tend to vote Democrat. This is what Republicans fear. There's a reason they want the GOP base to be ignorant.

No he's not. Obama wants Jr. College and Technical Schools to be free so Americans can compete.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In 2001, Speculation was deregulated,

That's an interesting claim, but I didn't see any specifics in your link.

Speculation increased 400%

That's awful, but speculation was allowed, even under FDR.

As expected you never bothered to read the linked article and by failing to do so you disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation since you have nothing of any value to add. Have a nice day.

I read the "article". It didn't explain the so called 2001 deregulation of speculation.
It's okay if you can't prove your claim, I understand.

I agree about Fannie and Freddie, Bush should have killed those lib corps, instead of expanding them.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Well gosh, based on your failure to prove your claim, you sure haven't helped anyone reduce their ignorance.
Perhaps you could try again?

I am not being paid to provide you with an education. You have the benefit of the internet at your fingertips. Nothing stopping you from googling the role that the Republican deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives played in destroying the economy.

I am not being paid to provide you with an education.

Or to prove your own claim.
I understand that you can't, that's okay.

Nothing stopping you from googling the role that the Republican deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives played in destroying the economy

Not to mention the Democratic deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives.

 

[Derideo_Te]

As expected you never bothered to read the linked article and by failing to do so you disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation since you have nothing of any value to add. Have a nice day.

I read the "article". It didn't explain the so called 2001 deregulation of speculation.
It's okay if you can't prove your claim, I understand.

I agree about Fannie and Freddie, Bush should have killed those lib corps, instead of expanding them.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Well gosh, based on your failure to prove your claim, you sure haven't helped anyone reduce their ignorance.
Perhaps you could try again?

I am not being paid to provide you with an education. You have the benefit of the internet at your fingertips. Nothing stopping you from googling the role that the Republican deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives played in destroying the economy.

I am not being paid to provide you with an education.

Or to prove your own claim.
I understand that you can't, that's okay.

Nothing stopping you from googling the role that the Republican deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives played in destroying the economy

Not to mention the Democratic deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives.

Your lies don't alter the reality that it was Republican deregulation of the Wall Street Casino that caused the economic meltdown in 2008.

But thanks for exposing that you are just another dishonest extremist rightwinger with zero credibility.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I read the "article". It didn't explain the so called 2001 deregulation of speculation.
It's okay if you can't prove your claim, I understand.

I agree about Fannie and Freddie, Bush should have killed those lib corps, instead of expanding them.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Well gosh, based on your failure to prove your claim, you sure haven't helped anyone reduce their ignorance.
Perhaps you could try again?

I am not being paid to provide you with an education. You have the benefit of the internet at your fingertips. Nothing stopping you from googling the role that the Republican deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives played in destroying the economy.

I am not being paid to provide you with an education.

Or to prove your own claim.
I understand that you can't, that's okay.

Nothing stopping you from googling the role that the Republican deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives played in destroying the economy

Not to mention the Democratic deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives.

Your lies don't alter the reality that it was Republican deregulation of the Wall Street Casino that caused the economic meltdown in 2008.

But thanks for exposing that you are just another dishonest extremist rightwinger with zero credibility.

Your lies don't alter the reality that it was Republican deregulation of the Wall Street Casino that caused the economic meltdown in 2008.
Your failure to prove your claim hasn't helped your case.

 

[Publius1787]

Here we go again. Obviously there is a disconnect with respect to definitions. "Name calling" is not "exposing." See now, that's how you logically argue. This lesson is free but the next ones gonna cost you.

Coming from someone who lacks the basic comprehension to understand that taxation is not "stealing" that is amusing.

Are all Libertarians this childlike in their feeble grasp of reality or is it only confined to USMB members?

Taxation is a means to secure funds to support serveries that benefit us all. The military, for example, benefits us all. There may be discussion on how the military benefits us at any given time but it is there for us all nonetheless. Voting money away from one group so as to unduly grant a privilege to another is simply the tyranny of the majority. It's not the general welfare that benefits from such a transaction but the specific welfare of one group or another (Clear distinction). That's exactly what the U.S. Constitution was designed to forbid at the federal level. Now this is not to say that the states can't come up with their own scheme. They have the power to and ought to. But when there is little to no return on our money in the form of people clawing their way out of poverty and becoming productive taxpaying citizens then I think I am justified in asserting that I am not greedy for realizing that paying for the poor is increasing poverty. Besides, there is no such thing as "poor" in the United States. Oh you may have a standard to which you judge is "poor," but I don't see starving people in the streets urinating on the sidewalk as I have in so many other countries. The "poor" of the United States is the worlds middle class. We no longer have debates, for example, about feeding the poor. We only have debates about feeding the poor in a healthy manner. So excuse me if I reject your notions of poverty and entitlement. Everyone can't be winners but if you can't make it here then you are a loser who made too many bad decisions and the taxpayer owes you nothing for your chosen lifestyle.

Yet another Libertarian screed of selfishness.

What is the alternative to providing support to those less fortunate than you are?

Abject poverty?

Rampant crime?

Diseases and dead people lying in the streets?

Urchins begging on corners?

The poor selling their children?

That is the alternative to your selfish greed. By eliminating what they receive today you will be turning this country into a 3rd world nation.

All because you have a fallacious sense of entitlement that you don't have to pay taxes to live in this civilized society.

Carry on being a selfish Libertarian because you obviously lack the cognitive skills necessary to make the connection as to what will happen here when you cut off all welfare of the less fortunate. You will just blame the victims of your greed because you cannot make the obvious mental leaps.

The OP started by pointing out that he was raised with a sound work ethic and yet, through no fault of his own, he finds himself in poverty. He didn't make a "poor choice" to be afflicted with OCD. That is what happens to some people.

You lack the basic human empathy to put yourself in the OP's shoes and wonder what it would be like to be him.

That is why you are a greedy and selfish Libertarian who doesn't know how to "play nicely with others". You cannot comprehend that for millions of your fellow Americans they never made the "poor choice" to be born into poverty. But you blame them for their circumstances even though they are probably better human beings than you will ever be.

There you go again. Making a point on empathy is completely separate from making a point on logic. In the end your argument rests on feelings, and that makes it a poor argument. Essentially, you're beef is that I don't "feel" the way you do. And, of course, those that err on the side of logic instead of your feelings should be what? Condemned? Ridiculed?

A selfish and/or greedy act is an act that takes without compensation at the expense of another. I advocate for none of that whilst you demand it. Who's selfish again?

Now with that out of the way might I push you into a realm in which your argument becomes logical? How does "everyone" benefit from making the poor comfortable in their poverty?

Yet another deflection because you cannot address your Libertarian selfishness and greed.

Answer the question.

What is your viable and feasible alternative to eliminating support for the less fortunate?

It's quite simple. Get the federal government out of the poverty business and let the states, who have a vested interest in cleaning up their streets/poverty, do what they will. I don't necessarily need to provide an alternative when the current is model clearly making poverty worse anyway. Making people uncomfortable in their poverty will encourage people to quit using social welfare as an insurance policy when they take into account the risks of their actions. Allowing the state and local governments to deal with it would allow better oversight and increased success.

 

[Clementine]

Yet another extremist rightwinger who failed to comprehend the OP.

He already has a college degree.

He is in this situation because of a medical condition.

Sheesh!!!

If more people would plan better for their own future and make decisions conducive to being financially independent, it wouldn't even be an issue trying to help those who have no other choice.

 

[Clementine]

Your lies don't alter the reality that it was Republican deregulation of the Wall Street Casino that caused the economic meltdown in 2008.
Your failure to prove your claim hasn't helped your case.

You don't expect liberals to admit that their party created the crisis, knowing exactly how they were going to take advantage of it, do you? Republicans fought for years to stop this and the left screamed that no changes were necessary in Fannie and Freddie's practices. The Dems wanted no change to the regulations and lack of oversight that bought on the crisis. They are already working on a second crisis by returning to the same policies that made the first one happen. You'd think they learned their lesson and wouldn't go down the same path. Actually, I think they know and they are disappointed that the first crisis didn't completely bring down the economy so they want a repeat.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Well gosh, based on your failure to prove your claim, you sure haven't helped anyone reduce their ignorance.
Perhaps you could try again?

I am not being paid to provide you with an education. You have the benefit of the internet at your fingertips. Nothing stopping you from googling the role that the Republican deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives played in destroying the economy.

I am not being paid to provide you with an education.

Or to prove your own claim.
I understand that you can't, that's okay.

Nothing stopping you from googling the role that the Republican deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives played in destroying the economy

Not to mention the Democratic deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives.

Your lies don't alter the reality that it was Republican deregulation of the Wall Street Casino that caused the economic meltdown in 2008.

But thanks for exposing that you are just another dishonest extremist rightwinger with zero credibility.

Your lies don't alter the reality that it was Republican deregulation of the Wall Street Casino that caused the economic meltdown in 2008.
Your failure to prove your claim hasn't helped your case.

Utterly irrelevant since your lies don't alter the facts that it was Republican deregulation of the Wall Street Casino that caused the economic meltdown in 2008

 

[Publius1787]

Thank you for admitting to your appalling ignorance regarding the Republican deregulations that caused the 2008 economic collapse.

Well gosh, based on your failure to prove your claim, you sure haven't helped anyone reduce their ignorance.
Perhaps you could try again?

I am not being paid to provide you with an education. You have the benefit of the internet at your fingertips. Nothing stopping you from googling the role that the Republican deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives played in destroying the economy.

I am not being paid to provide you with an education.

Or to prove your own claim.
I understand that you can't, that's okay.

Nothing stopping you from googling the role that the Republican deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives played in destroying the economy

Not to mention the Democratic deregulated Wall Street Casino derivatives.

Your lies don't alter the reality that it was Republican deregulation of the Wall Street Casino that caused the economic meltdown in 2008.

But thanks for exposing that you are just another dishonest extremist rightwinger with zero credibility.

Your lies don't alter the reality that it was Republican deregulation of the Wall Street Casino that caused the economic meltdown in 2008.
Your failure to prove your claim hasn't helped your case.

Utterly irrelevant since your lies don't alter the facts that it was Republican deregulation of the Wall Street Casino that caused the economic meltdown in 2008

That "Wall Street casino" sent almost every one of those mortgage backed securities to Fannie/Freddie before they were bundled and sold. F&F were the facilitators of the financial crisis. Without them there would have been no financial crisis. When there is a kink in the financial armor all banks utilize that kink lest they lose out to their competition. Fannie/Freddie was that kink.