Remember how the Arctic Ice Cap is shrinking?

[westwall]

Weeeeeeeeeellllllll, maybe not. Seems that NASA has a new video that shows the sea ice breakup was actually do to a storm....whoops. Looks like it wasn't due to warming after all.

Doesn't it just suck when science prooves you wrong...yet again?



"A powerful storm wreaked havoc on the Arctic sea ice cover in August 2012. This visualization shows the strength and direction of the winds and their impact on the ice: the red vectors represent the fastest winds, while blue vectors stand for slower winds."

NASA - Multimedia - Video Gallery

 

[Oddball]

High winds = More proof of Goebbels warming!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Well, er, um, but the storm was caused by Global Warming, yeah yeah, that's the ticket!

 

[Katzndogz]

In a month or so we'll hear all about how the Arctic Ice cap is growing at the fastest rate in history but the Antarctice ice is melting. Global warming. They got it covered coming and going.

 

[flacaltenn]

This is why I don't "do" ice.. That and the pillaging of the Arctic historical temp. records by NASA GISS.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ocean acidification was eating the ice...what else could explain it?

 

[mamooth]

So the massive record-setting Arctic Sea Ice melt didn't really mean anything, because there was a storm! One storm melted all the ice! None of it would have happened without the storm, even if the melt was on a record setting pace even before the storm!

That concludes today's lesson in "idiot denialist logic". Denialists seem to spend their days thinking up endless new ways to prove how 'effin stupid they are.

 

[flacaltenn]

So the massive record-setting Arctic Sea Ice melt didn't really mean anything, because there was a storm! One storm melted all the ice! None of it would have happened without the storm, even if the melt was on a record setting pace even before the storm!

That concludes today's lesson in "idiot denialist logic". Denialists seem to spend their days thinking up endless new ways to prove how 'effin stupid they are.

How long did this storm last Mamooth? Did you watch the NASA video? Or are you just on "Auto-Reply".. Not an "out of the office" memo... More like an "out of your mind" memo.

 

[westwall]

So the massive record-setting Arctic Sea Ice melt didn't really mean anything, because there was a storm! One storm melted all the ice! None of it would have happened without the storm, even if the melt was on a record setting pace even before the storm!

That concludes today's lesson in "idiot denialist logic". Denialists seem to spend their days thinking up endless new ways to prove how 'effin stupid they are.

No dingleberry(or should I call you trollingblunderspideytoobertrakarfraud?), what they're saying is there was NO big melt. I understand that science is a difficult subject for you but what they are stating was there was no big melt the ice broke up because of a storm...it was still there it was just scattered and GISS and the others don't calculate broken up ice, only that which is connected.

Got it?

Yeah, I didn't think you would....as I said, science is not your strong point.

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[flacaltenn]

Considering they count 20% coverage of surface ice as TOTALLY ICED..

How much do you "lose" if you compress all that empty volume out of the floes.???

Quickly class. Bueller?? Bueller???

 

[skookerasbil]

So the massive record-setting Arctic Sea Ice melt didn't really mean anything, because there was a storm! One storm melted all the ice! None of it would have happened without the storm, even if the melt was on a record setting pace even before the storm!

That concludes today's lesson in "idiot denialist logic". Denialists seem to spend their days thinking up endless new ways to prove how 'effin stupid they are.

Hmmm.....but then how come the "idiot denilists" are winning? And the radical alarmist k00ks.......are, ummmmmmm.........not.


Nobody cares about the science anymore sweetie..........a fact.............and meanwhile, the k00k dream of Cap and Trade is deaD.


But the denislists are the "idiots".

 

[mamooth]

what they're saying is there was NO big melt.

So they're totally delusional? This is your brilliant new strategy, a complete denial of the observed reality?

I understand that science is a difficult subject for you but what they are stating was there was no big melt the ice broke up because of a storm...it was still there it was just scattered and GISS and the others don't calculate broken up ice, only that which is connected.

Completely wrong, as is expected from you. Measurements certainly measure and account for scattered ice. The different organizations add up the scattered ice in different ways, which accounts for the different measurements of ice extent. However, no matter how the area was calculated, every single one of them agreed that a new record low ice extent ws set, shattering the old record.

Considering they count 20% coverage of surface ice as TOTALLY ICED..

Which would mean measured ice levels were much bigger than actual ice levels, due to all that spread out ice being counted as totally iced. Flac, you've just proven the actual melt was far worse than we thought! Great job!

 

[RollingThunder]

Weeeeeeeeeellllllll, maybe not. Seems that NASA has a new video that shows the sea ice breakup was actually do to a storm....whoops. Looks like it wasn't due to warming after all.

That's just your usual retarded misinterpretation, walleyedretard, NOT what NASA is saying at all.

The facts:

Arctic Sea Ice Hits Smallest Extent In Satellite Era
NASA
09.19.12
(government publication - free to reproduce)

Satellite data reveal how the new record low Arctic sea ice extent, from Sept. 16, 2012, compares to the average minimum extent over the past 30 years (in yellow). Sea ice extent maps are derived from data captured by the Scanning Multichannel Microwave Radiometer aboard NASA's Nimbus-7 satellite and the Special Sensor Microwave Imager on multiple satellites from the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program. Credit: NASA/Goddard Scientific Visualization Studio

The frozen cap of the Arctic Ocean appears to have reached its annual summertime minimum extent and broken a new record low on Sept. 16, the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) has reported. Analysis of satellite data by NASA and the NASA-supported NSIDC at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the sea ice extent shrunk to 1.32 million square miles (3.41 million square kilometers).

The new record minimum measures almost 300,000 square miles less than the previous lowest extent in the satellite record, set in mid-September 2007, of 1.61 million square miles (4.17 million square kilometers). For comparison, the state of Texas measures around 268,600 square miles.

NSIDC cautioned that, although Sept. 16 seems to be the annual minimum, there's still time for winds to change and compact the ice floes, potentially reducing the sea ice extent further. NASA and NSIDC will release a complete analysis of the 2012 melt season next month, once all data for September are available.

Arctic sea ice cover naturally grows during the dark Arctic winters and retreats when the sun re-appears in the spring. But the sea ice minimum summertime extent, which is normally reached in September, has been decreasing over the last three decades as Arctic ocean and air temperatures have increased. This year's minimum extent is approximately half the size of the average extent from 1979 to 2000. This year's minimum extent also marks the first time Arctic sea ice has dipped below 4 million square kilometers.

"Climate models have predicted a retreat of the Arctic sea ice; but the actual retreat has proven to be much more rapid than the predictions," said Claire Parkinson, a climate scientist at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. "There continues to be considerable inter-annual variability in the sea ice cover, but the long-term retreat is quite apparent."

The thickness of the ice cover is also in decline.

"The core of the ice cap is the perennial ice, which normally survived the summer because it was so thick", said Joey Comiso, senior scientist with NASA Goddard. "But because it's been thinning year after year, it has now become vulnerable to melt".

The disappearing older ice gets replaced in winter with thinner seasonal ice that usually melts completely in the summer.

This year, a powerful cyclone formed off the coast of Alaska and moved on Aug. 5 to the center of the Arctic Ocean, where it churned the weakened ice cover for several days. The storm cut off a large section of sea ice north of the Chukchi Sea and pushed it south to warmer waters that made it melt entirely. It also broke vast extensions of ice into smaller pieces more likely to melt.

"The storm definitely seems to have played a role in this year's unusually large retreat of the ice", Parkinson said. "But that exact same storm, had it occurred decades ago when the ice was thicker and more extensive, likely wouldn't have had as prominent an impact, because the ice wasn't as vulnerable then as it is now."

Doesn't it just suck when science prooves(sic) you wrong...yet again?

You would definitely be the expert on that feeling, walleyed.

 

[westwall]

Weeeeeeeeeellllllll, maybe not. Seems that NASA has a new video that shows the sea ice breakup was actually do to a storm....whoops. Looks like it wasn't due to warming after all.

That's just your usual retarded misinterpretation, walleyedretard, NOT what NASA is saying at all.

The facts:

Arctic Sea Ice Hits Smallest Extent In Satellite Era
NASA
09.19.12
(government publication - free to reproduce)

Satellite data reveal how the new record low Arctic sea ice extent, from Sept. 16, 2012, compares to the average minimum extent over the past 30 years (in yellow). Sea ice extent maps are derived from data captured by the Scanning Multichannel Microwave Radiometer aboard NASA's Nimbus-7 satellite and the Special Sensor Microwave Imager on multiple satellites from the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program. Credit: NASA/Goddard Scientific Visualization Studio

The frozen cap of the Arctic Ocean appears to have reached its annual summertime minimum extent and broken a new record low on Sept. 16, the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) has reported. Analysis of satellite data by NASA and the NASA-supported NSIDC at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the sea ice extent shrunk to 1.32 million square miles (3.41 million square kilometers).

The new record minimum measures almost 300,000 square miles less than the previous lowest extent in the satellite record, set in mid-September 2007, of 1.61 million square miles (4.17 million square kilometers). For comparison, the state of Texas measures around 268,600 square miles.

NSIDC cautioned that, although Sept. 16 seems to be the annual minimum, there's still time for winds to change and compact the ice floes, potentially reducing the sea ice extent further. NASA and NSIDC will release a complete analysis of the 2012 melt season next month, once all data for September are available.

Arctic sea ice cover naturally grows during the dark Arctic winters and retreats when the sun re-appears in the spring. But the sea ice minimum summertime extent, which is normally reached in September, has been decreasing over the last three decades as Arctic ocean and air temperatures have increased. This year's minimum extent is approximately half the size of the average extent from 1979 to 2000. This year's minimum extent also marks the first time Arctic sea ice has dipped below 4 million square kilometers.

"Climate models have predicted a retreat of the Arctic sea ice; but the actual retreat has proven to be much more rapid than the predictions," said Claire Parkinson, a climate scientist at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. "There continues to be considerable inter-annual variability in the sea ice cover, but the long-term retreat is quite apparent."

The thickness of the ice cover is also in decline.

"The core of the ice cap is the perennial ice, which normally survived the summer because it was so thick", said Joey Comiso, senior scientist with NASA Goddard. "But because it's been thinning year after year, it has now become vulnerable to melt".

The disappearing older ice gets replaced in winter with thinner seasonal ice that usually melts completely in the summer.

This year, a powerful cyclone formed off the coast of Alaska and moved on Aug. 5 to the center of the Arctic Ocean, where it churned the weakened ice cover for several days. The storm cut off a large section of sea ice north of the Chukchi Sea and pushed it south to warmer waters that made it melt entirely. It also broke vast extensions of ice into smaller pieces more likely to melt.

"The storm definitely seems to have played a role in this year's unusually large retreat of the ice", Parkinson said. "But that exact same storm, had it occurred decades ago when the ice was thicker and more extensive, likely wouldn't have had as prominent an impact, because the ice wasn't as vulnerable then as it is now."

Doesn't it just suck when science prooves(sic) you wrong...yet again?

You would definitely be the expert on that feeling, walleyed.

Blunder! So nice of you to drop in and demonstrate a classic case of cognitive impairment for everyone!

 

[flacaltenn]

what they're saying is there was NO big melt.

So they're totally delusional? This is your brilliant new strategy, a complete denial of the observed reality?

I understand that science is a difficult subject for you but what they are stating was there was no big melt the ice broke up because of a storm...it was still there it was just scattered and GISS and the others don't calculate broken up ice, only that which is connected.

Completely wrong, as is expected from you. Measurements certainly measure and account for scattered ice. The different organizations add up the scattered ice in different ways, which accounts for the different measurements of ice extent. However, no matter how the area was calculated, every single one of them agreed that a new record low ice extent ws set, shattering the old record.

Considering they count 20% coverage of surface ice as TOTALLY ICED..

Which would mean measured ice levels were much bigger than actual ice levels, due to all that spread out ice being counted as totally iced. Flac, you've just proven the actual melt was far worse than we thought! Great job!

Your logic (and that 20% methodology) are both lacking here for that big conclusion.. What you were watching is not solid ice melt. But little ice cubes in BIG VOLUMES of open water disappear.. AS THO --- that was total sea ice coverage. Never was -- except in someone's computer algorithm.

Thus it's easy to see that with that much SPACE around these little floes --- persistent winds and storms can EASILY show a 20 to 50% variation in SIExtent EVEN WITHOUT melting... That NASA video doesn't PROVE how much ice got compacted..

But it sure points out that the very scary melt numbers that fascinate you little lemmings actually have MUCH LESS REAL MEANING in the real world than you think..

Poor dears...

Now if you'll excuse me --- I'll go back to IGNORING ice censuses and tree rings like I always have..

 

[RollingThunder]

Weeeeeeeeeellllllll, maybe not. Seems that NASA has a new video that shows the sea ice breakup was actually do to a storm....whoops. Looks like it wasn't due to warming after all.

That's just your usual retarded misinterpretation, walleyedretard, NOT what NASA is saying at all.

The facts:

Arctic Sea Ice Hits Smallest Extent In Satellite Era
NASA
09.19.12
(government publication - free to reproduce)

Satellite data reveal how the new record low Arctic sea ice extent, from Sept. 16, 2012, compares to the average minimum extent over the past 30 years (in yellow). Sea ice extent maps are derived from data captured by the Scanning Multichannel Microwave Radiometer aboard NASA's Nimbus-7 satellite and the Special Sensor Microwave Imager on multiple satellites from the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program. Credit: NASA/Goddard Scientific Visualization Studio

The frozen cap of the Arctic Ocean appears to have reached its annual summertime minimum extent and broken a new record low on Sept. 16, the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) has reported. Analysis of satellite data by NASA and the NASA-supported NSIDC at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the sea ice extent shrunk to 1.32 million square miles (3.41 million square kilometers).

The new record minimum measures almost 300,000 square miles less than the previous lowest extent in the satellite record, set in mid-September 2007, of 1.61 million square miles (4.17 million square kilometers). For comparison, the state of Texas measures around 268,600 square miles.

NSIDC cautioned that, although Sept. 16 seems to be the annual minimum, there's still time for winds to change and compact the ice floes, potentially reducing the sea ice extent further. NASA and NSIDC will release a complete analysis of the 2012 melt season next month, once all data for September are available.

Arctic sea ice cover naturally grows during the dark Arctic winters and retreats when the sun re-appears in the spring. But the sea ice minimum summertime extent, which is normally reached in September, has been decreasing over the last three decades as Arctic ocean and air temperatures have increased. This year's minimum extent is approximately half the size of the average extent from 1979 to 2000. This year's minimum extent also marks the first time Arctic sea ice has dipped below 4 million square kilometers.

"Climate models have predicted a retreat of the Arctic sea ice; but the actual retreat has proven to be much more rapid than the predictions," said Claire Parkinson, a climate scientist at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. "There continues to be considerable inter-annual variability in the sea ice cover, but the long-term retreat is quite apparent."

The thickness of the ice cover is also in decline.

"The core of the ice cap is the perennial ice, which normally survived the summer because it was so thick", said Joey Comiso, senior scientist with NASA Goddard. "But because it's been thinning year after year, it has now become vulnerable to melt".

The disappearing older ice gets replaced in winter with thinner seasonal ice that usually melts completely in the summer.

This year, a powerful cyclone formed off the coast of Alaska and moved on Aug. 5 to the center of the Arctic Ocean, where it churned the weakened ice cover for several days. The storm cut off a large section of sea ice north of the Chukchi Sea and pushed it south to warmer waters that made it melt entirely. It also broke vast extensions of ice into smaller pieces more likely to melt.

"The storm definitely seems to have played a role in this year's unusually large retreat of the ice", Parkinson said. "But that exact same storm, had it occurred decades ago when the ice was thicker and more extensive, likely wouldn't have had as prominent an impact, because the ice wasn't as vulnerable then as it is now."

Doesn't it just suck when science prooves(sic) you wrong...yet again?

You would definitely be the expert on that feeling, walleyed.

Blunder! So nice of you to drop in and demonstrate a classic case of cognitive impairment for everyone!

Walleyedretard! You've already amply and definitively demonstrated massive cognitive impairment many, many times for everyone's amusement. This incredibly retarded thread is only the latest example of your confusion and idiocy.

 

[westwall]

That's just your usual retarded misinterpretation, walleyedretard, NOT what NASA is saying at all.

The facts:

Arctic Sea Ice Hits Smallest Extent In Satellite Era
NASA
09.19.12
(government publication - free to reproduce)

Satellite data reveal how the new record low Arctic sea ice extent, from Sept. 16, 2012, compares to the average minimum extent over the past 30 years (in yellow). Sea ice extent maps are derived from data captured by the Scanning Multichannel Microwave Radiometer aboard NASA's Nimbus-7 satellite and the Special Sensor Microwave Imager on multiple satellites from the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program. Credit: NASA/Goddard Scientific Visualization Studio

The frozen cap of the Arctic Ocean appears to have reached its annual summertime minimum extent and broken a new record low on Sept. 16, the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) has reported. Analysis of satellite data by NASA and the NASA-supported NSIDC at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the sea ice extent shrunk to 1.32 million square miles (3.41 million square kilometers).

The new record minimum measures almost 300,000 square miles less than the previous lowest extent in the satellite record, set in mid-September 2007, of 1.61 million square miles (4.17 million square kilometers). For comparison, the state of Texas measures around 268,600 square miles.

NSIDC cautioned that, although Sept. 16 seems to be the annual minimum, there's still time for winds to change and compact the ice floes, potentially reducing the sea ice extent further. NASA and NSIDC will release a complete analysis of the 2012 melt season next month, once all data for September are available.

Arctic sea ice cover naturally grows during the dark Arctic winters and retreats when the sun re-appears in the spring. But the sea ice minimum summertime extent, which is normally reached in September, has been decreasing over the last three decades as Arctic ocean and air temperatures have increased. This year's minimum extent is approximately half the size of the average extent from 1979 to 2000. This year's minimum extent also marks the first time Arctic sea ice has dipped below 4 million square kilometers.

"Climate models have predicted a retreat of the Arctic sea ice; but the actual retreat has proven to be much more rapid than the predictions," said Claire Parkinson, a climate scientist at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. "There continues to be considerable inter-annual variability in the sea ice cover, but the long-term retreat is quite apparent."

The thickness of the ice cover is also in decline.

"The core of the ice cap is the perennial ice, which normally survived the summer because it was so thick", said Joey Comiso, senior scientist with NASA Goddard. "But because it's been thinning year after year, it has now become vulnerable to melt".

The disappearing older ice gets replaced in winter with thinner seasonal ice that usually melts completely in the summer.

This year, a powerful cyclone formed off the coast of Alaska and moved on Aug. 5 to the center of the Arctic Ocean, where it churned the weakened ice cover for several days. The storm cut off a large section of sea ice north of the Chukchi Sea and pushed it south to warmer waters that made it melt entirely. It also broke vast extensions of ice into smaller pieces more likely to melt.

"The storm definitely seems to have played a role in this year's unusually large retreat of the ice", Parkinson said. "But that exact same storm, had it occurred decades ago when the ice was thicker and more extensive, likely wouldn't have had as prominent an impact, because the ice wasn't as vulnerable then as it is now."







You would definitely be the expert on that feeling, walleyed.

Blunder! So nice of you to drop in and demonstrate a classic case of cognitive impairment for everyone!

Walleyedretard! You've already amply and definitively demonstrated massive cognitive impairment many, many times for everyone's amusement. This incredibly retarded thread is only the latest example of your confusion and idiocy.

Blunder! So nice of you to drop in and demonstrate a classic case of cognitive impairment for everyone!

 

[Oddball]

So the massive record-setting Arctic Sea Ice melt didn't really mean anything, because there was a storm! One storm melted all the ice! None of it would have happened without the storm, even if the melt was on a record setting pace even before the storm!

That concludes today's lesson in "idiot denialist logic". Denialists seem to spend their days thinking up endless new ways to prove how 'effin stupid they are.

A big storm broke up the ice into chunks, leaving much more surface area for the seawater to melt it.

This concludes today's lesson in "the dynamics of melting ice for dumbshits".

 

[skookerasbil]

So the massive record-setting Arctic Sea Ice melt didn't really mean anything, because there was a storm! One storm melted all the ice! None of it would have happened without the storm, even if the melt was on a record setting pace even before the storm!

That concludes today's lesson in "idiot denialist logic". Denialists seem to spend their days thinking up endless new ways to prove how 'effin stupid they are.

A big storm broke up the ice into chunks, leaving much more surface area for the seawater to melt it.

This concludes today's lesson in "the dynamics of melting ice for dumbshits".

Shit.......laugh my balls off.........Oddball bro.......you gotta stop in here more often to join the party.