The rapidly disappearing Arctic ice cap - from the experts

[Crick]

Less. And as the edges move northward, the water becomes deeper. Bottom feeding walruses can't stay with the ice edge without starving. So they shift to the shorelines of Alaska and Canada. Now they have a miles long swim to their feeding grounds, the young face much greater odds of being trampled by adults and both in the water and on land, face predators they never faced on the ice edge they evolved to inhabit.

Got some witty repartee to save them?

Yea, they live in the Hudson Bay, where the sea ice is above average.
Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

This year’s maximum ice extent was the lowest in the satellite record, with below-average ice conditions everywhere except in the Labrador Sea, Baffin Bay, and Hudson Bay.

Can I take this to mean that you concur with the information I have posted here concerning walruses' problems with receding sea ice?[/QUOTE]

 

[Old Rocks]

Basic Facts About Walruses
The walrus is circumpolar in its range but they are found in geographically separate areas. The Pacific walrus is found in the Bering, Chukchi, and Laptev Sea, while the Atlantic walrus inhabits the coastal regions of northeastern Canada and Greenland.
Really, Elektra?

Yes Old Crock, they REALLY live in the Hudson Bay. Yep, those Democrats really know Science, the Earth, they are so smart, yet here we got to show that the Hudson Bay is actually full of Ice and that is where Walruses live.

Walrus

Walrus
The walrus is a tusked, fin-footed mammal. In Canada, the Atlantic walrus is found primarily along the northern coasts of Hudson Bay, Davis Strait, Foxe Basin and Baffin Bay.

Yes, they live in Hudson Bay, as well as many other places in the Arctic Ocean, their range is circumpolar.

 

[elektra]

Basic Facts About Walruses
The walrus is circumpolar in its range but they are found in geographically separate areas. The Pacific walrus is found in the Bering, Chukchi, and Laptev Sea, while the Atlantic walrus inhabits the coastal regions of northeastern Canada and Greenland.
Really, Elektra?

Yes Old Crock, they REALLY live in the Hudson Bay. Yep, those Democrats really know Science, the Earth, they are so smart, yet here we got to show that the Hudson Bay is actually full of Ice and that is where Walruses live.

Walrus

Walrus
The walrus is a tusked, fin-footed mammal. In Canada, the Atlantic walrus is found primarily along the northern coasts of Hudson Bay, Davis Strait, Foxe Basin and Baffin Bay.

Yes, they live in Hudson Bay, as well as many other places in the Arctic Ocean, their range is circumpolar.

Yep, so they are not in danger as someone stated, thanks.

 

[jc456]

Oh my, more complete stupidity from Elektra. Someday, she will post something that vaguely makes sense, and surprise us all. In the meantime, the accelerating melt of the ice on Greenland continues.

Tell us about P=IE, or did you forget to go back to that thread, LIAR

Old Crock thinks you calculate power by multiplying resistance by current, and at that, 1 amp can not create 12 watts, which is P=IE or 12w = 1 amp x 12 volts

How come the Old Liar, who is 72 and in college, can not do simple math with simple formulas yet thinks he understands the difference between a hypothesis and a theory?

Actual topic of this thread:
The rapidly disappearing Arctic ice cap - from the experts

The trolls, like Ejakulatra, are constantly trying to derail threads into quibbles about irrelevant details about something that has nothing to do with the actual topic....like right here with this bullshit about electricity.

Watch them, and call them on it....they try to do this all the time.....with any topic that has any real significance.....off into the ozone with irrelevant bullshit and pointless distractions....

So...back on topic! The Arctic and the rapid warming there.

This is what happens when the Arctic warms twice as fast as the rest of the planet
The Washington Post
By Darryl Fears
December 15, 2015
For a second straight year, the Arctic is warming faster than any other place in the world, and walrus populations in the area’s Pacific and Atlantic ocean regions are thinning along with the ice sheets that are critical for their survival, researchers reported Tuesday.

Overall, the outlook for the frozen top of the world is bleak, according to the annual Arctic Report Card: 2015 Update released by the federal National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Since the turn of the last century, it said, the Arctic’s air temperature has increased by more than 5 degrees due to global warming.

Warmer air and sea temperatures melt ice that in turn expands oceans and causes sea-level rise, which scientists say presents a danger to cities along the entire Atlantic coast, from Miami to Washington to Boston. Walrus and other arctic mammals that give birth on ice sheets are struggling with the change, and fish such as cod and Greenland halibut are swimming north from fishermen and animals that feed on them in pursuit of colder waters.

[The Arctic keeps warming. And polar bears are feeling the heat]

NOAA chief scientist Richard Spinrad said changes in the Arctic portend changes that are likely to spread to the wider world — higher air temperatures, longer hot seasons, anomalous weather spikes and fish fleeing north only to be replaced by new species swimming from areas south. “The conclusion that comes to my mind is these report cards are trailing indicators of what’s happening in the Arctic. They can turn out to be leading indicators for the rest of the globe,” Spinrad said.

The annual average surface-air temperature over the period of the report, between October 2014 and September 2015, was nearly 2.5 degrees higher than the time period scientists use as a baseline to compare temperatures, 1981 to 2010. As a result, Alaska was warmer in fall 2014 and winter this year, when the snow pack that usually melts to replenish rivers and moisten the earth was extremely low.

Lightning strikes on dry land sparked that state’s second-worst wildfire season in its history. According to the NOAA report card, “the 2015 spring melt season provided evidence of earlier snow melt across the Arctic” because of the increased warmth. As of early July, the Arctic melt included more than half of the region’s ice sheet for the first time “since the exceptional melt of 2012.” The length of the melt season was up to 4o days longer than that of the average northwestern, northeastern and western regions, the report said.

This year’s findings are largely consistent with the dire findings last year. Dozens of scientists from across the world contribute to the report card, including those from U.S. Naval Research and the Army Corps of Engineers, the Institute of Marine Research in Norway, Knipovich Polar Research Institute of Marine Fisheries and Oceanography in Russia and University of Victoria in Canada.

[A stunning five million acres have burned in Alaskan wildfires this year]

The report cards’ year-to-year consistency will help scientists establish whether they are watching a weather anomaly in a key part of the world or an established trend. “What you see here is stronger confirmation,” Spinrad said.

A separate study focusing on Alaska’s North Slope, which was presented late Tuesday at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union, estimates that the permafrost there will decline rapidly over time because of rising temperatures. Vladimir Romanovsky, head of the Permafrost Laboratory at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, said thinning permafrost is already causing roads and houses built on it to crumble.

“Under these conditions, the permafrost will become unstable beneath any infrastructure such as roads, pipelines and buildings,” Romanovsky said. “The result will be dramatic effects on infrastructure and ecosystems.”

Another researcher at the university, Santosh Panda, said permafrost that covers virtually all of five national parks as large collectively as South Carolina could decline by 10 percent within the next 35 years. “Permafrost degradation is going to touch the whole landscape through changes in water distribution, slope failures and changes in vegetation that will affect wildlife habitat and the aesthetic value of the parks,” Panda said.

In the Arctic, the age of ice generally defines the region’s health. Older ice is thicker, more resilient and resistant to atmospheric changes, and better at supporting mammals. Younger ice is thin and vulnerable to collapse.

An estimated 35,000 walruses are pictured on a beach near the village of Point Lay, Alaska, 700 miles northwest of Anchorage, in September 2014. (Corey Accardo/NOAA/NMFS/AFSC/NMML/Handout via Reuters)

Yet in nearly all Arctic regions, sea ice is decreasing, the report said. In 1985, 85 percent of the region’s ice qualified as old. In March, that fell to 30 percent. “This is the first year that first-year ice dominated the ice cover,” it notes. “Sea ice cover has transformed from a strong, thick pack in the 1980s to a more fragile, thin and younger pack in recent years.”

[The collapse of the Antarctic ice sheet is underway and unstoppable, but will take centuries]

Walruses are starting to teem on land as the ice fades, exposing their young to frequent trampling events. Walruses mate on the edges of ice, and females prefer giving birth and raising pups on old ice, which they use as a base to reach feeding grounds. Now many are on land, and the long path to the feeding areas are filled with animals that prey on them, such as sharks and orcas. That is further reducing walrus numbers, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service concluded in its section of the report.

Ice melt “is already a pervasive threat” to walrus, the agency’s researchers said, but how much of a threat depends on the ability of animals to adapt to change, tolerate it or flee it for more suitable habitat. Scientists estimate that Pacific walrus populations have fallen by half as a result of declining sea ice and hunting. The Atlantic stock, reduced by 80 percent through unregulated hunting between 1900 and 1960, is unknown, but estimates put the population at 25,000.

normal

You mean it's normal for you to be in deep denial about the scientifically observed facts about the accelerating loss of Arctic ice, like the facts I just posted. Well....yeah....we know that.....you ARE a deranged denier cult troll, after all.

well I'd first have to see your facts.

Actually, JustCrazy, since you have been repeatedly SHOWN THE FACTS, the "first" thing you'd have to do "to see the facts" is pull your head out of your ass! After that unlikely event, actually look at and read and try your best to comprehend the OP and posts #6, 20, 23, 25, and 34, for starters.

I haven't seen any from you all on the warmer side yet.

A problem stemming from your previously mentioned 'head-up-ass' position on human caused global warming.

You all keep saying the arctic is ice free and it ain't.

A bald faced lie....one of your specialities, it seems.

No one has said that the Arctic is currently ice-free, numbnuts. What has been claimed, and backed up with scientific evidence, is that the Arctic ice cap is rapidly diminishing in both size, or extent, and volume, or thickness, and that, even at the current rates of decline (which are actually accelerating) the Arctic will be effectively ice free enough for commercial shipping to easily pass through within a decade or so.....for the first time since, at least, the last interglacial period over 115,000 years ago.

So I lose all respect for your ability to understand what makes up a factual piece of data.

LOLOLOL.....since you have repeatedly and conclusively demonstrated your complete inability "to understand what makes up a factual piece of data", your demented opinions on that issue are meaningless.

Especially when the IPCC admits that during the rise of CO2 the temperatures were in a pause for 15 years.

LOLOLOLOLOL....OK, cling to your myths, bozo, but in the real world, the current scientific assessment is that there was no actual "pause"

Global warming 'pause' didn't happen, study finds

No Pause in Global Warming
Scientific American

Global warming 'pause' theory is dead but still twitching
PhysOrg
September 17, 2015

Where do you see the "pause", JustCrazy?

Chart showing average global temperatures from 1850 to 2015 according to three major datasets - HadCrut4 (MetOffice), GISTEMP (NASA) and MLOST (NOAA)

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Chart showing the rising heat content of the world’s oceans Photograph: NOAA

It was so hot in February that NASA now reports that last month beat the all-time global record for hottest February by a stunning 0.85°F, when such records are usually measured in hundredths of a degree.

Global mean surface temperature (anomaly from 1951-1980 mean). NASA data (h/t Tamino). Red dot is February.

definition of a fact---an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final)

It is good to see a clueless retard like you, JustCrazy, finally, FINALLY, starting to learn what 'facts' are.....since you have previously been so obviously ignorant about that. Now, all you need to do is actually learn some actual facts and un-learn all of the misinformation and lies you've been fed by the fossil fuel industry propaganda pushers.

then that is what you will do right?

 

[jc456]

With this many people feeding you facts, references, explanations, reason... how can your remain so callously and irresponsibly ignorant?

Here. This is a fact.

This is a fact

This is a fact

This is a fact

ps:

You all keep saying the Arctic is ice free and it aint

NO ONE ever said the Arctic was currently ice free. Saying so makes you a liar.

well I'm sorry, but you all did.

No, you are not sorry at all, you are simply a liar. No one has stated that the Arctic is ice free, or has been ice free for many tens of thousands of years. But before 2050 for sure, and very likely before 2030, it will be for a brief time in the summer. Possibly even before 2020.

and see there it is. how is it I lie when you make the statement in the very next sentence.

 

[jc456]

With this many people feeding you facts, references, explanations, reason... how can your remain so callously and irresponsibly ignorant?

Here. This is a fact.

This is a fact

This is a fact

This is a fact

ps:

You all keep saying the Arctic is ice free and it aint

NO ONE ever said the Arctic was currently ice free. Saying so makes you a liar.

well I'm sorry, but you all did.

No, you are not sorry at all, you are simply a liar. No one has stated that the Arctic is ice free, or has been ice free for many tens of thousands of years. But before 2050 for sure, and very likely before 2030, it will be for a brief time in the summer. Possibly even before 2020.

Let me state one thing, the sea ice will never melt on the current axis the earth is on. So you have no fking clue about how the earth pivots on its axis.

And, if it does change its pivot, we're all dead. See now that is a fact. You should all learn how to use material to post up factual information.

 

[RollingThunder]

With this many people feeding you facts, references, explanations, reason... how can your remain so callously and irresponsibly ignorant?

Here. This is a fact.

This is a fact

This is a fact

This is a fact

ps:

You all keep saying the Arctic is ice free and it aint

NO ONE ever said the Arctic was currently ice free. Saying so makes you a liar.

well I'm sorry, but you all did.

No, you are not sorry at all, you are simply a liar. No one has stated that the Arctic is ice free, or has been ice free for many tens of thousands of years. But before 2050 for sure, and very likely before 2030, it will be for a brief time in the summer. Possibly even before 2020.

Let me state one thing, the sea ice will never melt on the current axis the earth is on. So you have no fking clue about how the earth pivots on its axis.

And, if it does change its pivot, we're all dead. See now that is a fact. You should all learn how to use material to post up factual information.

And there is another anti-science, clueless, crackpot fantasy from the retarded denier cult troll, JustCrazy.

The Arctic sea ice IS melting, numbnuts. And it will continue to melt away as the Earth continues to heat up, until there is almost no solid sea ice on top of the Arctic Ocean and the dark water absobs the solar radiation that was previously reflected back into space, further heating the planet and causing lower latitude climate patterns to drastically shift and change. That is starting to happen now, to some extent.

Here's a good explanation from the experts. It's a long article but well worth reading. Here's some excerpts for the lazy and those in a hurry.

The Melting Arctic's Dramatic Impact on Global Weather Patterns
Truthout
By Dahr Jamail
04 January 2016
(excerpts)
Arctic sea ice is melting at a record pace - and every summer looks grimmer. This past summer saw the ice pack at its fourth-lowest level on record, and the overall trend in recent decades suggests this will only continue. "Using satellites, scientists have found that the area of sea ice coverage each September has declined by more than 40 percent since the late 1970s, a trend that has accelerated since 2007," according to the recent report "Arctic Matters: The Global Connection to Changes in the Arctic" by the National Research Council of the National Academies. The report added that by the end of each of the eight summers from 2007 to 2014, Arctic sea ice extent was over less area than at any time in the preceding three decades. In addition to rapid melting of the sea and land ice in the Arctic, temperatures there are warming at least twice as fast as those of the rest of the planet - provoking other dramatic changes.

As Arctic Matters reports, "Changes in the Arctic have the potential to affect weather thousands of miles away. Because temperatures are increasing faster in the Arctic than at the tropics, the temperature gradient that drives the jet stream is becoming less intense." This causes the jet stream to weaken and shift away from its typical patterns, which then leads to weather patterns becoming more persistent and lasting longer in the mid-latitudes. This then results in longer droughts, more intense heat waves, and far longer and deeper cold snaps, such as those witnessed in the Northeastern United States and Europe during the last two winters. Dr. David Klein is the director of the climate science program at California State University, Northridge. Like others, he pointed out how the Arctic is warming two to three times faster than the rest of the planet, and pointed out how ice loss there is "proceeding more rapidly than models have predicted."..."The loss of sea ice decreases albedo [reflectivity] and results in greater absorption of energy in the water, and the warm water then heats the air above it," Klein told Truthout. "NASA's CERES satellites have observed an increase of 10 watts per square meter of solar radiation absorbed by the Arctic Ocean from 2000 to 2014."

Dr. Julienne Stroeve, a senior research scientist with the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, explained why the Arctic is vitally important in terms of its impact on the global climate system. "The Arctic is typically covered by snow and ice year around," she said. "Snow and ice have a high albedo, meaning they reflect most of the sun's energy back out to space, helping to keep the region, and the planet, cooler than they otherwise would be. As the sea ice melts, or snow and glaciers melt, it lowers the albedo, allowing more of the sun's energy to be absorbed by the ocean and land surfaces, further warming the region." Hence, all of our large-scale weather and ocean patterns are tied to the temperature difference between the poles, which receive less solar input, Stroeve said, and the equator, which receives most of the solar input. "If that temperature difference changes, we would expect the large-scale weather patterns, i.e. the jet stream pattern, to respond," she added. "This would then have an impact on precipitation patterns, perhaps frequency of extreme weather events, etc."

 

[jc456]

With this many people feeding you facts, references, explanations, reason... how can your remain so callously and irresponsibly ignorant?

Here. This is a fact.

This is a fact

This is a fact

This is a fact

ps:

You all keep saying the Arctic is ice free and it aint

NO ONE ever said the Arctic was currently ice free. Saying so makes you a liar.

well I'm sorry, but you all did.

No, you are not sorry at all, you are simply a liar. No one has stated that the Arctic is ice free, or has been ice free for many tens of thousands of years. But before 2050 for sure, and very likely before 2030, it will be for a brief time in the summer. Possibly even before 2020.

Let me state one thing, the sea ice will never melt on the current axis the earth is on. So you have no fking clue about how the earth pivots on its axis.

And, if it does change its pivot, we're all dead. See now that is a fact. You should all learn how to use material to post up factual information.

And there is another anti-science, clueless, crackpot fantasy from the retarded denier cult troll, JustCrazy.

The Arctic sea ice IS melting, numbnuts. And it will continue to melt away as the Earth continues to heat up, until there is almost no solid sea ice on top of the Arctic Ocean and the dark water absobs the solar radiation that was previously reflected back into space, further heating the planet and causing lower latitude climate patterns to drastically shift and change. That is starting to happen now, to some extent.

Here's a good explanation from the experts. It's a long article but well worth reading. Here's some excerpts for the lazy and those in a hurry.

The Melting Arctic's Dramatic Impact on Global Weather Patterns
Truthout
By Dahr Jamail
04 January 2016
(excerpts)
Arctic sea ice is melting at a record pace - and every summer looks grimmer. This past summer saw the ice pack at its fourth-lowest level on record, and the overall trend in recent decades suggests this will only continue. "Using satellites, scientists have found that the area of sea ice coverage each September has declined by more than 40 percent since the late 1970s, a trend that has accelerated since 2007," according to the recent report "Arctic Matters: The Global Connection to Changes in the Arctic" by the National Research Council of the National Academies. The report added that by the end of each of the eight summers from 2007 to 2014, Arctic sea ice extent was over less area than at any time in the preceding three decades. In addition to rapid melting of the sea and land ice in the Arctic, temperatures there are warming at least twice as fast as those of the rest of the planet - provoking other dramatic changes.

As Arctic Matters reports, "Changes in the Arctic have the potential to affect weather thousands of miles away. Because temperatures are increasing faster in the Arctic than at the tropics, the temperature gradient that drives the jet stream is becoming less intense." This causes the jet stream to weaken and shift away from its typical patterns, which then leads to weather patterns becoming more persistent and lasting longer in the mid-latitudes. This then results in longer droughts, more intense heat waves, and far longer and deeper cold snaps, such as those witnessed in the Northeastern United States and Europe during the last two winters. Dr. David Klein is the director of the climate science program at California State University, Northridge. Like others, he pointed out how the Arctic is warming two to three times faster than the rest of the planet, and pointed out how ice loss there is "proceeding more rapidly than models have predicted."..."The loss of sea ice decreases albedo [reflectivity] and results in greater absorption of energy in the water, and the warm water then heats the air above it," Klein told Truthout. "NASA's CERES satellites have observed an increase of 10 watts per square meter of solar radiation absorbed by the Arctic Ocean from 2000 to 2014."

Dr. Julienne Stroeve, a senior research scientist with the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, explained why the Arctic is vitally important in terms of its impact on the global climate system. "The Arctic is typically covered by snow and ice year around," she said. "Snow and ice have a high albedo, meaning they reflect most of the sun's energy back out to space, helping to keep the region, and the planet, cooler than they otherwise would be. As the sea ice melts, or snow and glaciers melt, it lowers the albedo, allowing more of the sun's energy to be absorbed by the ocean and land surfaces, further warming the region." Hence, all of our large-scale weather and ocean patterns are tied to the temperature difference between the poles, which receive less solar input, Stroeve said, and the equator, which receives most of the solar input. "If that temperature difference changes, we would expect the large-scale weather patterns, i.e. the jet stream pattern, to respond," she added. "This would then have an impact on precipitation patterns, perhaps frequency of extreme weather events, etc."

So, explain to me ho with no sun the area melts ice in the winter? Please show me your magic

 

[RollingThunder]

With this many people feeding you facts, references, explanations, reason... how can your remain so callously and irresponsibly ignorant?

Here. This is a fact.

This is a fact

This is a fact

This is a fact

ps:

You all keep saying the Arctic is ice free and it aint

NO ONE ever said the Arctic was currently ice free. Saying so makes you a liar.

well I'm sorry, but you all did.

No, you are not sorry at all, you are simply a liar. No one has stated that the Arctic is ice free, or has been ice free for many tens of thousands of years. But before 2050 for sure, and very likely before 2030, it will be for a brief time in the summer. Possibly even before 2020.

Let me state one thing, the sea ice will never melt on the current axis the earth is on. So you have no fking clue about how the earth pivots on its axis.

And, if it does change its pivot, we're all dead. See now that is a fact. You should all learn how to use material to post up factual information.

And there is another anti-science, clueless, crackpot fantasy from the retarded denier cult troll, JustCrazy.

The Arctic sea ice IS melting, numbnuts. And it will continue to melt away as the Earth continues to heat up, until there is almost no solid sea ice on top of the Arctic Ocean and the dark water absobs the solar radiation that was previously reflected back into space, further heating the planet and causing lower latitude climate patterns to drastically shift and change. That is starting to happen now, to some extent.

Here's a good explanation from the experts. It's a long article but well worth reading. Here's some excerpts for the lazy and those in a hurry.

The Melting Arctic's Dramatic Impact on Global Weather Patterns
Truthout
By Dahr Jamail
04 January 2016
(excerpts)
Arctic sea ice is melting at a record pace - and every summer looks grimmer. This past summer saw the ice pack at its fourth-lowest level on record, and the overall trend in recent decades suggests this will only continue. "Using satellites, scientists have found that the area of sea ice coverage each September has declined by more than 40 percent since the late 1970s, a trend that has accelerated since 2007," according to the recent report "Arctic Matters: The Global Connection to Changes in the Arctic" by the National Research Council of the National Academies. The report added that by the end of each of the eight summers from 2007 to 2014, Arctic sea ice extent was over less area than at any time in the preceding three decades. In addition to rapid melting of the sea and land ice in the Arctic, temperatures there are warming at least twice as fast as those of the rest of the planet - provoking other dramatic changes.

As Arctic Matters reports, "Changes in the Arctic have the potential to affect weather thousands of miles away. Because temperatures are increasing faster in the Arctic than at the tropics, the temperature gradient that drives the jet stream is becoming less intense." This causes the jet stream to weaken and shift away from its typical patterns, which then leads to weather patterns becoming more persistent and lasting longer in the mid-latitudes. This then results in longer droughts, more intense heat waves, and far longer and deeper cold snaps, such as those witnessed in the Northeastern United States and Europe during the last two winters. Dr. David Klein is the director of the climate science program at California State University, Northridge. Like others, he pointed out how the Arctic is warming two to three times faster than the rest of the planet, and pointed out how ice loss there is "proceeding more rapidly than models have predicted."..."The loss of sea ice decreases albedo [reflectivity] and results in greater absorption of energy in the water, and the warm water then heats the air above it," Klein told Truthout. "NASA's CERES satellites have observed an increase of 10 watts per square meter of solar radiation absorbed by the Arctic Ocean from 2000 to 2014."

Dr. Julienne Stroeve, a senior research scientist with the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, explained why the Arctic is vitally important in terms of its impact on the global climate system. "The Arctic is typically covered by snow and ice year around," she said. "Snow and ice have a high albedo, meaning they reflect most of the sun's energy back out to space, helping to keep the region, and the planet, cooler than they otherwise would be. As the sea ice melts, or snow and glaciers melt, it lowers the albedo, allowing more of the sun's energy to be absorbed by the ocean and land surfaces, further warming the region." Hence, all of our large-scale weather and ocean patterns are tied to the temperature difference between the poles, which receive less solar input, Stroeve said, and the equator, which receives most of the solar input. "If that temperature difference changes, we would expect the large-scale weather patterns, i.e. the jet stream pattern, to respond," she added. "This would then have an impact on precipitation patterns, perhaps frequency of extreme weather events, etc."

So, explain to me ho with no sun the area melts ice in the winter? Please show me your magic

Because the Arctic ocean is getting warmer and melting the ice from underneath, you ignorant retard. The melting is OBSERVED, moron, so spewing some words and thinking you have 'disproved' that melting just demonstrates how out insanely of touch with reality you are, JustCrazy.

Warm Atlantic Waters Melting Sea Ice in Arctic

 

[jc456]

With this many people feeding you facts, references, explanations, reason... how can your remain so callously and irresponsibly ignorant?

Here. This is a fact.

This is a fact

This is a fact

This is a fact

ps:

You all keep saying the Arctic is ice free and it aint

NO ONE ever said the Arctic was currently ice free. Saying so makes you a liar.

well I'm sorry, but you all did.

No, you are not sorry at all, you are simply a liar. No one has stated that the Arctic is ice free, or has been ice free for many tens of thousands of years. But before 2050 for sure, and very likely before 2030, it will be for a brief time in the summer. Possibly even before 2020.

Let me state one thing, the sea ice will never melt on the current axis the earth is on. So you have no fking clue about how the earth pivots on its axis.

And, if it does change its pivot, we're all dead. See now that is a fact. You should all learn how to use material to post up factual information.

And there is another anti-science, clueless, crackpot fantasy from the retarded denier cult troll, JustCrazy.

The Arctic sea ice IS melting, numbnuts. And it will continue to melt away as the Earth continues to heat up, until there is almost no solid sea ice on top of the Arctic Ocean and the dark water absobs the solar radiation that was previously reflected back into space, further heating the planet and causing lower latitude climate patterns to drastically shift and change. That is starting to happen now, to some extent.

Here's a good explanation from the experts. It's a long article but well worth reading. Here's some excerpts for the lazy and those in a hurry.

The Melting Arctic's Dramatic Impact on Global Weather Patterns
Truthout
By Dahr Jamail
04 January 2016
(excerpts)
Arctic sea ice is melting at a record pace - and every summer looks grimmer. This past summer saw the ice pack at its fourth-lowest level on record, and the overall trend in recent decades suggests this will only continue. "Using satellites, scientists have found that the area of sea ice coverage each September has declined by more than 40 percent since the late 1970s, a trend that has accelerated since 2007," according to the recent report "Arctic Matters: The Global Connection to Changes in the Arctic" by the National Research Council of the National Academies. The report added that by the end of each of the eight summers from 2007 to 2014, Arctic sea ice extent was over less area than at any time in the preceding three decades. In addition to rapid melting of the sea and land ice in the Arctic, temperatures there are warming at least twice as fast as those of the rest of the planet - provoking other dramatic changes.

As Arctic Matters reports, "Changes in the Arctic have the potential to affect weather thousands of miles away. Because temperatures are increasing faster in the Arctic than at the tropics, the temperature gradient that drives the jet stream is becoming less intense." This causes the jet stream to weaken and shift away from its typical patterns, which then leads to weather patterns becoming more persistent and lasting longer in the mid-latitudes. This then results in longer droughts, more intense heat waves, and far longer and deeper cold snaps, such as those witnessed in the Northeastern United States and Europe during the last two winters. Dr. David Klein is the director of the climate science program at California State University, Northridge. Like others, he pointed out how the Arctic is warming two to three times faster than the rest of the planet, and pointed out how ice loss there is "proceeding more rapidly than models have predicted."..."The loss of sea ice decreases albedo [reflectivity] and results in greater absorption of energy in the water, and the warm water then heats the air above it," Klein told Truthout. "NASA's CERES satellites have observed an increase of 10 watts per square meter of solar radiation absorbed by the Arctic Ocean from 2000 to 2014."

Dr. Julienne Stroeve, a senior research scientist with the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, explained why the Arctic is vitally important in terms of its impact on the global climate system. "The Arctic is typically covered by snow and ice year around," she said. "Snow and ice have a high albedo, meaning they reflect most of the sun's energy back out to space, helping to keep the region, and the planet, cooler than they otherwise would be. As the sea ice melts, or snow and glaciers melt, it lowers the albedo, allowing more of the sun's energy to be absorbed by the ocean and land surfaces, further warming the region." Hence, all of our large-scale weather and ocean patterns are tied to the temperature difference between the poles, which receive less solar input, Stroeve said, and the equator, which receives most of the solar input. "If that temperature difference changes, we would expect the large-scale weather patterns, i.e. the jet stream pattern, to respond," she added. "This would then have an impact on precipitation patterns, perhaps frequency of extreme weather events, etc."

So, explain to me ho with no sun the area melts ice in the winter? Please show me your magic

Because the Arctic ocean is getting warmer and melting the ice from underneath, you ignorant retard. The melting is OBSERVED, moron, so spewing some words and thinking you have 'disproved' that melting just demonstrates how out insanely of touch with reality you are, JustCrazy.

Warm Atlantic Waters Melting Sea Ice in Arctic

LOL. Yeah go with that cause that's scientific. When there is no sun there's no heat, so what warms the water?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Hey, Soilingblunder, your thread states "Arctic Sea Cap", but your OP only addresses the ARCTIC SEA ICE? I guess you don't understand the difference.

The 'cap' over the 'Arctic Sea' IS what is called "ARCTIC SEA ICE", you poor crazy imbecile.

You do realize that the arctic has been ICE-LESS twice in our current Holocene period. This is not unusual or out of normal cyclical events.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hey, Soilingblunder, your thread states "Arctic Sea Cap", but your OP only addresses the ARCTIC SEA ICE? I guess you don't understand the difference.

The 'cap' over the 'Arctic Sea' IS what is called "ARCTIC SEA ICE", you poor crazy imbecile.

You do realize that the arctic has been ICE-LESS twice in our current Holocene period. This is not unusual or out of normal cyclical events.

Link?

 

[RollingThunder]

You do realize that the arctic has been ICE-LESS twice in our current Holocene period. This is not unusual or out of normal cyclical events.

LOLOLOLOLOL.......total denier cult BULLSHIT!!!

The Boober sure pulled that one out of his ass!

In the real world....

A study in Quaternary Science Review which confirms that human activity is driving changes in ice cover, and furthermore that there's now less ice in the Arctic that at any point in recent geologic history. Dr. Leonid Polyak, study lead author, was asked when was the last time the Arctic was ice-free. He responded, with the caveat that paleo data is "very scant"....

"...The next best (actually, better) candidate is the Last Interglacial, about 125,000 years ago, again due to orbitally driven high insolation: The ice was likely very low, but we can't say whether it was completely ice free in summer or not. There are are also a few other major interglacials, which may have had a similar picture, in particular Marine Isotopic Stage 11, about 450,000 years ago. In any case we are talking about very rare events controlled by a forcing very different from today. If none of those intervals was really ice free, then a million year assessment would be correct."

 

[jc456]

You do realize that the arctic has been ICE-LESS twice in our current Holocene period. This is not unusual or out of normal cyclical events.

LOLOLOLOLOL.......total denier cult BULLSHIT!!!

The Boober sure pulled that one out of his ass!

In the real world....

A study in Quaternary Science Review which confirms that human activity is driving changes in ice cover, and furthermore that there's now less ice in the Arctic that at any point in recent geologic history. Dr. Leonid Polyak, study lead author, was asked when was the last time the Arctic was ice-free. He responded, with the caveat that paleo data is "very scant"....

"...The next best (actually, better) candidate is the Last Interglacial, about 125,000 years ago, again due to orbitally driven high insolation: The ice was likely very low, but we can't say whether it was completely ice free in summer or not. There are are also a few other major interglacials, which may have had a similar picture, in particular Marine Isotopic Stage 11, about 450,000 years ago. In any case we are talking about very rare events controlled by a forcing very different from today. If none of those intervals was really ice free, then a million year assessment would be correct."

dude again, in order to get the poles Ice Free, the axis of the earth will need to change. it takes sunlight you fool to melt the ice.

 

[RollingThunder]

You do realize that the arctic has been ICE-LESS twice in our current Holocene period. This is not unusual or out of normal cyclical events.

LOLOLOLOLOL.......total denier cult BULLSHIT!!! The Boober sure pulled that one out of his ass!
In the real world....
A study in Quaternary Science Review which confirms that human activity is driving changes in ice cover, and furthermore that there's now less ice in the Arctic that at any point in recent geologic history. Dr. Leonid Polyak, study lead author, was asked when was the last time the Arctic was ice-free. He responded, with the caveat that paleo data is "very scant"....

"...The next best (actually, better) candidate is the Last Interglacial, about 125,000 years ago, again due to orbitally driven high insolation: The ice was likely very low, but we can't say whether it was completely ice free in summer or not. There are are also a few other major interglacials, which may have had a similar picture, in particular Marine Isotopic Stage 11, about 450,000 years ago. In any case we are talking about very rare events controlled by a forcing very different from today. If none of those intervals was really ice free, then a million year assessment would be correct."

dude again, in order to get the poles Ice Free, the axis of the earth will need to change. it takes sunlight you fool to melt the ice.

Repeating your ignorant crackpot bullshit twaddle over and over won't magically make your lies come true, you poor delusional moron.

It takes heat to melt the ice......and human caused global,warming is increasing the heat....both in the atmosphere and the oceans, troll. Warmer ocean waters are melting the polar sea ice from the bottom, and increasing the air temperatures in the region from heat transfers from the ocean in the places where the ice cover has already melted to the atmosphere.