Zone1 Protestants never tell you which Church in the world goes back in time to the Resurrection

[1miseryindex]

That's because anyone who studies history knows that the Catholic Church is the only one that goes back that far.

As someone once said, "To be deep in history is to cease being a Protestant"

The followers of Joseph Smith will tell you that he ws a legitimate leader even though he didn't come on the scene until the 1800s

Other folks tell you it was some other person / group

But none of them can be traced back to Christ and the 12

 

[1srelluc]

Yet they all tell you that you are goin' to Hell if you don't believe their way.

Blah.....I prefer to remain unaffiliated.

 

[jwoodie]

ALL Christian Churches trace their roots back to Jesus. The ROMAN Catholic Church was actually created 300 years later.

 

[Votto]

ALL Christian Churches trace their roots back to Jesus. The ROMAN Catholic Church was actually created 300 years later.

And hear I thought Jesus said he died on the cross so that the Catholic church and their Pope could bless gays and tell Trump he was going to hell for building a wall.

Who knew?

 

[1miseryindex]

Yet they all tell you that you are goin' to Hell if you don't believe their way.

Blah.....I prefer to remain unaffiliated.

THAT is exactly the problem!

People see the HUGE divide in Christianity and think: I will never find the true Church... needle in a haystack

Yet people are lost without Christ and HIS Church... absolutely lost.

I know I was... I ws so lost, it's a wonder.... well, many things about my past make me wonder... long story (stories)

 

[1miseryindex]

ALL Christian Churches trace their roots back to Jesus. The ROMAN Catholic Church was actually created 300 years later.

That's the lie you've been told. Christ's Church began at His Resurrection

Just because there weren't big cathedrals put up as soon as He ascended, doesn't mean otherwise

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The church of the body of all believers, which leaves out the Orthodox and the Catholics, of course.

 

[jwoodie]

Christ's Church began at His Resurrection

Roman>>>Catholic>>>Christ: Nice word switch. Or was Christ really a Roman?

 

[The Irish Ram]

That's because anyone who studies history knows that the Catholic Church is the only one that goes back that far.

As someone once said, "To be deep in history is to cease being a Protestant"

The followers of Joseph Smith will tell you that he ws a legitimate leader even though he didn't come on the scene until the 1800s

Other folks tell you it was some other person / group

But none of them can be traced back to Christ and the 12

Not even close, misery. And now for the historical/biblical proof:

Peter stayed in Israel, and preached with other disciples in the church of Jerusalem for 15 years, until his arrest. The church of Jerusalem predates the Catholic church. So does the church at Antioch.

It is not unexpected that Peter should emerge immediately after Jesus’ death as the leader of the earliest church. For approximately 15 years after the Resurrection, the figure of Peter dominated the Jewish community. It was Peter who first “raised his voice” and preached at Pentecost, the day when the church began its mission to the world (Acts 1:14–39). It was Peter who served as an advocate for the Apostles before the Jewish religious court in Jerusalem (Acts 4:5–22). And it was he who exercised the role of judge in the disciplining of those who erred within the church (Acts 5:1–10)

Peter and Paul disagreed about circumcision. Because of that, Jerusalem Council (49 or 50 ce), in which it was settled that hereafter Paul should be “entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised” (Galatians 2:7) and Peter “for the mission to the circumcised” (Galatians 2:8).

 

[1miseryindex]

Roman>>>Catholic>>>Christ: Nice word switch. Or was Christ really a Roman?

or maybe Rome just means in Rome, Italy?

 

[1miseryindex]

Not even close, misery. And now for the historical proof:

why do you bother speaking to me?

I've done my research and anything that disagrees with the truth and history I have discovered is WRONG... which is not to say that the Catholic Church doesn't have big problems. If anyone here reads my past posts they will find out what the REAL problems are, as only Catholics know!

But anyhow, you don't listen so I am going to scroll on by now...

 

[The Irish Ram]

why do you bother speaking to me?

I've done my research and anything that disagrees with the truth and history I have discovered is WRONG... which is not to say that the Catholic Church doesn't have big problems. If anyone here reads my past posts they will find out what the REAL problems are, as only Catholics know!

But anyhow, you don't listen so I am going to scroll on by now...

You have done no research if you believe that the Catholic church was the first church established after Christ died. You scroll on by because you can't refute history, or the Bible. It is why you keep regurgitating the same untrue bullshit dogma.

Share with us the "research" you have done that proves Peter didn't stay in Israel and preach to the circumcised as history and the Bible establishes...

 

[1miseryindex]

no protestant here

has said which is the first Church....

telling

 

[The Irish Ram]

no protestant here

has said which is the first Church....

telling

More miserable bullshit.
A Protestant and the Bible just told you when and where the first church began. Read post # 9 and then read Acts, and then read the history of Peter, and then stop lying...

 

[ninja007]

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What is the origin of the Roman Catholic Church?​

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The Roman Catholic Church contends that its origin is the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ in approximately AD 30. The Catholic Church proclaims itself to be the church that Jesus Christ died for, the church that was established and built by the apostles. Is that the true origin of the Catholic Church?

On the contrary. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church?

For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine and his successors promoted progressively became a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

Following are a few examples:

Most Roman Catholic beliefs and practices regarding Mary are completely absent from the Bible. Where did those beliefs come from? The Roman Catholic view of Mary has far more in common with the Isis mother-goddess religion of Egypt than it does with anything taught in the New Testament. Interestingly, the first hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship.

The Lord’s Supper being a consumption of the literal body and blood of Jesus is not taught in the Bible. The idea that bread and wine are miraculously transformed into the literal body and blood of Jesus (transubstantiation) is not biblical. However, several ancient pagan religions, including Mithraism, which was very popular in the Roman Empire, had some form of “theophagy” (the eating of one’s god) as a ritualistic practice.

Roman Catholicism has “saints” one can pray to in order to gain a particular blessing. For example, Saint Gianna Beretta Molla is the patron saint of fertility. Francis of Assisi is the patron saint of animals. There are multiple patron saints of healing and comfort. Nowhere is even a hint of this taught in Scripture. Just as the Roman pantheon of gods had a god of love, a god of peace, a god of war, a god of strength, a god of wisdom, etc., so the Catholic Church has a saint who is “in charge” over each of these and many other categories. Many Roman cities had a god specific to the city, and the Catholic Church provided “patron saints” for cities as well.

The idea that the Roman bishop is the vicar of Christ, the supreme leader of the Christian Church, is utterly foreign to the Word of God. The supremacy of the Roman bishop (the papacy) was created with the support of the Roman emperors. While most other bishops (and Christians) resisted the idea of the Roman bishop being supreme, the Roman bishop eventually rose to supremacy, again, due to the power and influence of the Roman emperors. After the western half of the Roman Empire collapsed, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus.

Many more examples could be given. These four should suffice in demonstrating the origin of the Catholic Church. Of course, the Roman Catholic Church denies the pagan origin of its beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church disguises its pagan beliefs under layers of complicated theology and church tradition. Recognizing that many of its beliefs and practices are utterly foreign to Scripture, the Catholic Church is forced to deny the authority and sufficiency of Scripture.

The origin of the Catholic Church is the tragic compromise of Christianity with the pagan religions that surrounded it. Instead of proclaiming the gospel and converting the pagans, the Catholic Church “Christianized” the pagan religions and “paganized” Christianity. By blurring the differences and erasing the distinctions, the Catholic Church made itself attractive to the idolatrous people of the Roman Empire. One result was the Catholic Church becoming the supreme religion in the Roman world for centuries. However, another result was the most dominant form of Christianity apostatizing from the true gospel of Jesus Christ and the true proclamation of God’s Word.

Second Timothy 4:3–4 declares, “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”

 

[BreezeWood]

But none of them can be traced back to (jesus) and the 12 ...

jesus was far from the beginning their significance is the repudiation of judaism that further past diverted from the heavenly prescribed religion of antiquity granted a&e for their journey to acquire their own self determination for remission to paradise of their own accord and not that of servitude to the unknown or a specific deity.

 

[The Irish Ram]

their own self determination for remission to paradise of their own accord

If we could get there of our own accord, Christ would have never had to get up on that cross. Your own accord is an insult to God.

 

[onefour1]

That's because anyone who studies history knows that the Catholic Church is the only one that goes back that far.

As someone once said, "To be deep in history is to cease being a Protestant"

The followers of Joseph Smith will tell you that he ws a legitimate leader even though he didn't come on the scene until the 1800s

Other folks tell you it was some other person / group

But none of them can be traced back to Christ and the 12

There is no church that goes back to the days of Jesus Christ than did not fall away into a state of apostasy.

 

[BreezeWood]

If we could get there of our own accord, Christ would have never had to get up on that cross. Your own accord is an insult to God.

what sins, ram - do you commit that would require an individual than yourself to be crucified in your name to absolve your crime ... even if you are a sinner. if such you haven't a chance or there a reason for the life you claim to desire to be granted.

the initial task of a&e for their journey is that to not sin - for their real purpose the goal through reason to triumph over evil required by the heavens for there to be judgement and possible remission to the everlasting.

 

[kjw47]

That's because anyone who studies history knows that the Catholic Church is the only one that goes back that far.

As someone once said, "To be deep in history is to cease being a Protestant"

The followers of Joseph Smith will tell you that he ws a legitimate leader even though he didn't come on the scene until the 1800s

Other folks tell you it was some other person / group

But none of them can be traced back to Christ and the 12

Catholicisms own encyclopedia says-The apostolic Fathers knew nothing of a trinity God.))))) It was created at the councils of the great apostasy 2Thess 2:3) = Catholicism. So no Catholicism was not the religion Jesus began. The religion he began served the Abrahamic God= a single being God=YHVH(Jehovah) just like Israel did from Moses on up.