Proof of AGW fraud

[Wyatt earp]

Data can need adjusted so it can be blended with other data.

For example, the unemployment rate is seasonally adjusted. Better start running down the street & screaming "OMG OMG OMG" to that one.

No Dave, you don't 'adjust' data and then expect to have a reliable statistical outcome. This is the problem with AGW, the data is cherry-picked to align with the already determined conclusion.

Wrong.
You always have to adjust data.
For example, when you want to check balance of trade against the past, you have to adjust for the increase in GPD and inflation instead of using gross numbers.
There is no cherry picking with AGW research. There is absolutely no incentive to do that. The only ones with a motive to lie are the ones making profits from selling fossil fuels. Scientists are not paid more for findings on AGW.

You can't compare data with economics, what the hell?

 

[SSDD]

If GHGs are going up, where are they coming from? You want to talk distortions, how about the way that rise is swept under the rug by the skeptics?

Have you read lately about the fact that science has acknowledged that they have "grossly underestimated" the amount of CO2 being emitted by under sea volcanoes? For decades they claimed that volcanoes didn't put much CO2 into the atmosphere and they based their claims on 6 or 8 land volcanoes known to be active. Turns out that there are estimated to be more than a million undersea vents and volcanoes...some rising more than a kilometer off the sea floor...and it is very well possible that tens or hundreds of thousands of them are actively venting CO2 24/7/365... You want a source for some additional CO2...look no further than that.

Hell, for that matter, termites alone produce more CO2 than all of us, with all of our industry, and every other living creature on earth combined...a slight upward shift in termite population could easily have a significant effect on the total atmospheric CO2...

The fact is, konrad is that the natural variation from year to year in the earth's own CO2 making machinery...termites, volcanoes, decay of organic materials, outgassing, etc, etc is more than twice the amount of CO2 that humans produce.

 

[SSDD]

I have the proof the AGW fraud right here:

1) People say some scientists wrote emails to each other and agreed to defraud the public,. Lots of people say that - and they say very bad things about those scientists, who are criminals, as lots of people say its so.

2) Hockey stick graph. How dumb. Everyone knows that's a fraud, people say its so.

3) Al Gore. That dude looks like a dufus. Sorry, but what more proof of AGW fraud do you need?

You are aware that Scientists DID in fact write emails about LYING to the public about supposed man made global warming? That those emails exist and are real?

Lots of people say so. It must be true.

You are aware that the Hockey Stick graph was proven to be false it ignored several major events and had false misleading information in it? That everyone with half a brain agrees that it is discredited and false?

Lots of people say so. It must be true.

You are aware that AL Gore has been caught lying, misleading and falsifying information on global warming? That he uses resources of something like 30 people all by himself?

Al Gore uses a lot of carbon, therefore, AGW must be wrong. Duh. That's easy enough.

So you "are you just going by what Far Left Web sites told you to think."

It is all he has and apparently he thinks an appeal to sarcasm is an adequate defense of his position...sad...but that is what their side has been reduced to.

 

[Sunsettommy]

{...
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016
Author:
Tom Di Liberto
September 16, 2016

For the last several decades, Earth has had a fever, and it has been spiking in recent years. Nowhere has this been clearer than across the Arctic, where annual average temperature has been warming at twice the rate of lower latitudes. As a result, sea ice has become a dwindling commodityin the far north frequently exposing the southern path through the Northwest Passage—the oft-talked about ship route from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean through the Canadian Arctic.

The Canadian Arctic on August 9, 2016, showing the Northwest Passage nearly free of ice. The "southern route" through the passage, travelled by Roald Amundsen in the early 1900s, is traced in yellow. The more commericaly important "northern route" goes straight through Parry Channel from Lancaster Sound to McClure Strait. NASA/NOAA image from Suomi/NPP satellite.

Cloudless skies across the Arctic on August 9 provided a clear view of open water conditions across the straits that make up the Canadian Arctic. Thinner ice and record-low sea ice extents leading up to the 2016 summer melt season plus warmer oceans during the summer led to well below-average amounts of sea ice across the Arctic. Strong storms during August helped break up and clear out the ice along the southern route of the passage. You can draw a line yourself through iceless seas to create your own path, like finishing a real-time geographic maze.
...}

Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

It's called Summer. Its not new either

Remind me when there is no ice in winter

Wrong.
There were summers before 2007, but no Northwest Passage.
There has not been a Northwest Passage for over 10,000 years, until now.

Ha ha, so much ignorance you have. It was passed through in a SINGLE season in 1944 and other trips before that happened too:

From Geology.com

Norwegian explorer Roald Amundsen and his crew were the first to cross the Northwest Passage entirely by sea in 1906. Although the crossing was an important "first," it had little economic value because the journey took three years and used waters that were too shallow for commercial shipping.

and,

The first single-season trip through the passage was by Henry Larsen and crew in 1944.

and,

In 1957, three United States Coast Guard Cutters - Storis, Bramble, and SPAR - became the first ships to cross the Northwest Passage along a deep draft route. They covered the 4,500 miles of semi-charted water in 64 days.

 

[Rigby5]

What ice age?

The one 20000 years ago and left a mountain near my nj home

Exactly.
Ice ages are about 120 thousand year long cycles that are fairly regular and slow.
While in comparison, we have artificially released over 5 trillion tons of sequestered fossil carbon a years, and caused as much climate change as an ice age, in less than 200 years.

And nothing has happened. The north pole is still frozen as is Antarctica

Wrong.
Every summer, ships now traverse the Northwest Passage.
Are you claiming they don't?
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

Fresh melt off from Greenland is starting to submerge the Gulf Stream and sent Europe off in a mini ice age.
The Antarctic ice shelf is radidly calving.
Mountain tops are becoming bare.

The changes are dramatic and obvious to anyone.

There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretending

Yawn

Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg

Liar.

The wiki page clearly says that image was:
USS Skate (SSN-578) - Wikipedia
{... USS Skate – Skate (SSN-578) in August 1958, possibly at Drifting Ice Station Alfa. ...}
And the captain of the USS Skate specifically stated there was heavy ice and they were unable to surface near the pole.
{...Skate was unable to surface precisely at the Pole on the August voyage due to dangerous ice conditions as noted in the captain's 1960 book, Surface at the Pole: The Extraordinary Voyages of the USS Skate,[4] where Calvert said, "Seldom had the ice seemed so heavy and so thick as it did in the immediate vicinity of the pole. For days we had searched in vain for a suitable opening to surface in."[5] The closest was to make radio contact at the surface from a polynya around 30 nm away, but not to surface fully owing to the risk of damage from ice.[4] Skate did manage to surface and make contact with Drifting Ice Station Alpha at 85ºN, 300 nm away.
...}

And obviously planes and subs can do much BETTER ice analysis than satellites, which are much too FAR AWAY!

 

[SSDD]

There is no one reputable that disputes AGW.
It simply is scientific fact, we have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by about 40% and CO2 prevent some heat from radiating back out into space.
It is absolute fact.
And anyone who remembers the USS Natilus traveling under the Arctic ice in the summer of 1958, will remember that until 2007 the whole Arctic Ocean was impossible to traverse, due to ice. Now you can. In 2007 was the first time you could do that in 10,000 years.

\

You seem to be wrong on everything you say...where do you get all your bullshit? Or do you just make it up as you go?

Here is the Sea Dragon and her sister ship the Skate at the north pole in 1959

And as you have been shown, the peer reviewed literature says that there is more ice in the arctic now than there has been for most of the past 10,000 years.

 

[SSDD]

So you admit that Global Warming is real and it's happening...you just stupidly don't care.

Oh...

Who ever said that the earth isn't warming? It has been warming since the end of the little ice age...and it still isn't as warm as it was before the onset of the little ice age...what would make anyone think that it won't warm up at least to the temperature it was before the onset of the little ice age?

 

[Rigby5]

{...
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016
Author:
Tom Di Liberto
September 16, 2016

For the last several decades, Earth has had a fever, and it has been spiking in recent years. Nowhere has this been clearer than across the Arctic, where annual average temperature has been warming at twice the rate of lower latitudes. As a result, sea ice has become a dwindling commodityin the far north frequently exposing the southern path through the Northwest Passage—the oft-talked about ship route from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean through the Canadian Arctic.

The Canadian Arctic on August 9, 2016, showing the Northwest Passage nearly free of ice. The "southern route" through the passage, travelled by Roald Amundsen in the early 1900s, is traced in yellow. The more commericaly important "northern route" goes straight through Parry Channel from Lancaster Sound to McClure Strait. NASA/NOAA image from Suomi/NPP satellite.

Cloudless skies across the Arctic on August 9 provided a clear view of open water conditions across the straits that make up the Canadian Arctic. Thinner ice and record-low sea ice extents leading up to the 2016 summer melt season plus warmer oceans during the summer led to well below-average amounts of sea ice across the Arctic. Strong storms during August helped break up and clear out the ice along the southern route of the passage. You can draw a line yourself through iceless seas to create your own path, like finishing a real-time geographic maze.
...}

Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

It's called Summer. Its not new either

Remind me when there is no ice in winter

Wrong.
There were summers before 2007, but no Northwest Passage.
There has not been a Northwest Passage for over 10,000 years, until now.

Ha ha, so much ignorance you have. It was passed through in a SINGLE season in 1944 and other trips before that happened too:

From Geology.com

Norwegian explorer Roald Amundsen and his crew were the first to cross the Northwest Passage entirely by sea in 1906. Although the crossing was an important "first," it had little economic value because the journey took three years and used waters that were too shallow for commercial shipping.

and,

The first single-season trip through the passage was by Henry Larsen and crew in 1944.

and,

In 1957, three United States Coast Guard Cutters - Storis, Bramble, and SPAR - became the first ships to cross the Northwest Passage along a deep draft route. They covered the 4,500 miles of semi-charted water in 64 days.

Totally wrong. You clearly either did not read or did not understand what you were supposed to read.
There has always been ways by hugging along the coast, dependent on warmer rivers to break ice, or by using Coast Guard Cutters that can break through ice. That is NOT a commercial Northwest Passage.
All you have to do is read where is says, "64 days". A real Northwest Passage through the Arctic Ocean should only take about 5 days or so. It is not long if the ice allows a straight shot. When one is talking about 64 days, that is either slow ice breaking, or zigzagging while hugging the coast.
Think a little before writing next time.

 

[SSDD]

I have the proof the AGW fraud right here:

1) People say some scientists wrote emails to each other and agreed to defraud the public,. Lots of people say that - and they say very bad things about those scientists, who are criminals, as lots of people say its so.

2) Hockey stick graph. How dumb. Everyone knows that's a fraud, people say its so.

3) Al Gore. That dude looks like a dufus. Sorry, but what more proof of AGW fraud do you need?

You are aware that Scientists DID in fact write emails about LYING to the public about supposed man made global warming? That those emails exist and are real?

You are aware that the Hockey Stick graph was proven to be false it ignored several major events and had false misleading information in it? That everyone with half a brain agrees that it is discredited and false?

You are aware that AL Gore has been caught lying, misleading and falsifying information on global warming? That he uses resources of something like 30 people all by himself?

The hockey stick graph ignores an entire ice age

the whole point of that graph was to try and make the roman warm period, the minoan warm period, and the medieval warm periods disappear..

 

[SSDD]

Try doing some research.

False things about climate change you might believe

looking for the e-mails themselves vs. snippets here and there. any idea where those are?

Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate

interesting read.

Read the article and it is completely wrong.
1) Emails contain NO data.
NO data is or ever can be destroyed.
Raw data is always preserved by those who originally captured it and copied to multiple sources, and no manipulation of the raw data is ever allowed, as that would totally nullify its value or ability to trace its history.
Raw data is just useless to disseminate by itself because it always requires context and interpretation that only scientist can do.
2) It is NOT scientists who have politicized AGW because scientists have absolutely no motives or side agendas. The don't get paid more when they find big problems than when they find everything is fine.
What the emails actually contain, and I know because I have seen them, is cautions and concerns about how scientist have to be careful what they release since data is hard to interpret and there are people deliberately making false conclusions.
Scientists are unused to the politicization and are merely advising each other how to prevent false politicization.
Just look at the article itself. It makes lots of claims but gives absolutely no real examples of anything.
3) There is nothing remotely weak about AGW science. We add over 5 trillion tons of carbon to the air by burning fossil fuels every single year, and CO2 ALWAYS must increase global warming. The only thing that is weak are future extrapolations as to when accelerations due to the increase of water vapor or melting of methane hydrate will cause a runaway race condition and species extinction.

Here..is just one email out of thousands...in this one, the "scientists" admit to fabricating data and stated that they had great fun doing it.

This is from Goeff Jenkiins...he was head of climate change prediction at the UK Met Office’s Hadley Centre. In this email, he is writing to Phil Jones at East Anglia.

“Remember all the fun we had last year over 1995 global temperatures, with the early release of information [via Australia], “inventing” the December monthly value, letters to Nature, etc., etc. I think we should have a cunning plan about what to do this year, simply to avoid a lot of wasted time... We feed this selectively to Nick Nuttall [of the United Nations Environment Program] (who has had this in the past and seems now to expect special treatment) so that he can write an article for the silly season. We could also give this to Neville Nicholls [climate scientist at Melbourne’s Bureau of Meteorology Research Centre]?… I know it sound a bit cloak-and-dagger but it’s just meant to save time in the long run”.

Saving time by simply making up temperature data...the fraud has been going on for a very long time and it just gets more blatant all the time.

 

[Rigby5]

There is no one reputable that disputes AGW.
It simply is scientific fact, we have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by about 40% and CO2 prevent some heat from radiating back out into space.
It is absolute fact.
And anyone who remembers the USS Natilus traveling under the Arctic ice in the summer of 1958, will remember that until 2007 the whole Arctic Ocean was impossible to traverse, due to ice. Now you can. In 2007 was the first time you could do that in 10,000 years.

\

You seem to be wrong on everything you say...where do you get all your bullshit? Or do you just make it up as you go?

Here is the Sea Dragon and her sister ship the Skate at the north pole in 1959

And as you have been shown, the peer reviewed literature says that there is more ice in the arctic now than there has been for most of the past 10,000 years.

Liar.
Again, these images are NOT at the North Pole, but at Drifting Ice Station Alpha at 85ºN, 300 nm away.

Try to do some reading from more than a single source next time.
Anyone can claim an image is from somewhere else, but the history records are clear that no one was able to surface at the North Pole until after the year 2000.

Here is the real description of the USS Skates 2nd pole trip, where it did surface.

{...
While the Skate was unable to surface on its first voyage to the pole, on 17 March 1959, she became the first submarine to surface at the North Pole with Calvert describing the historic moment in his book, saying, "Slowly we blew the tanks and the Skate moved reluctantly upward. It was apparent we were under heavier ice here than any we had experienced before." While at the pole, Calvert and the crew planted an American Flag in a cairn they built out of ice blocks and put a waterproof container in the cairn with a note commemorating the event. The crew also held a ceremony for the late Arctic explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins and committed his ashes at the pole.[8] In 1931, Sir Hubert had conducted an Arctic expedition in the disarmed research submarine Nautilus (ex-USS O-12). After reaching the Pole, the Skate continued its mission to pioneer arctic operations during periods of extreme cold and maximum ice thickness. When the submarine returned to port, she was awarded a bronze star in lieu of a second Navy Unit Commendation for demonstrating "... for the first time the ability of submarines to operate in and under the Arctic ice in the dead of winter...." In the fall of 1959 and in 1960, Skate participated in exercises designed to strengthen American antisubmarine defenses.
...}

Obviously there was NO clear open water. It was all iced over.

An NO ONE with any sense would ever claim there is more ice now than in the last 10,000 years.
Clearly all the data says the ice is now less than ever in the last 10,000 years.
The data shown before was showing ice core samples from Greenland, and that has absolutely NOTHING at all to do with floating ice that is totally dependent on ocean water temperatures and nothing at all to do with land temperatures.

 

[SSDD]

There is no one reputable that disputes AGW.
It simply is scientific fact, we have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by about 40% and CO2 prevent some heat from radiating back out into space.
It is absolute fact.
And anyone who remembers the USS Natilus traveling under the Arctic ice in the summer of 1958, will remember that until 2007 the whole Arctic Ocean was impossible to traverse, due to ice. Now you can. In 2007 was the first time you could do that in 10,000 years.

This too is a lie. You're not doing well.

So are you really trying to claim that there was a Northwest Passage for easy traversal of shipping over the Arctic Ocean in the 10,000 years before 2007?
That would have to be the single biggest lie I have ever heard anyone ever claim!

Here are graphs from 3 separate peer reviewed, published studies...as you can see, the ice extent is greater now than it has been at any time in the past 10,000 years except for the little ice age which we are still in the process of warming out of...

Not only was the northwest passage open, but according to these graphs, practically the whole arctic circle was open to navigation during the summer as it was most likely ice free .

Now feel free to deny peer reviewed, published literature in favor of your beliefs...

 

[Rigby5]

So you admit that Global Warming is real and it's happening...you just stupidly don't care.

Oh...

Who ever said that the earth isn't warming? It has been warming since the end of the little ice age...and it still isn't as warm as it was before the onset of the little ice age...what would make anyone think that it won't warm up at least to the temperature it was before the onset of the little ice age?

That is idiotic.

It is NOT supposed to be warming now.
We are past the ice age by 20,000 years, it had already reached the warming peak, and it is now supposed to be cooling again. And that is what was happening until about 40 years ago.

You clearly know nothing about earth's history, climate, or anything related to this subject.

And ice age cycles are 120 thousand years long.
The cycles were are forcing, are more like 200 years long for the same range of change.

 

[SSDD]

There is no one reputable that disputes AGW.
It simply is scientific fact, we have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by about 40% and CO2 prevent some heat from radiating back out into space.
It is absolute fact.
And anyone who remembers the USS Natilus traveling under the Arctic ice in the summer of 1958, will remember that until 2007 the whole Arctic Ocean was impossible to traverse, due to ice. Now you can. In 2007 was the first time you could do that in 10,000 years.

\

You seem to be wrong on everything you say...where do you get all your bullshit? Or do you just make it up as you go?

Here is the Sea Dragon and her sister ship the Skate at the north pole in 1959

And as you have been shown, the peer reviewed literature says that there is more ice in the arctic now than there has been for most of the past 10,000 years.

Liar.
Again, these images are NOT at the North Pole, but at Drifting Ice Station Alpha at 85ºN, 300 nm away.

Try to do some reading from more than a single source next time.
Anyone can claim an image is from somewhere else, but the history records are clear that no one was able to surface at the North Pole until after the year 2000.

Here is the real description of the USS Skates 2nd pole trip, where it did surface.

{...
While the Skate was unable to surface on its first voyage to the pole, on 17 March 1959, she became the first submarine to surface at the North Pole with Calvert describing the historic moment in his book, saying, "Slowly we blew the tanks and the Skate moved reluctantly upward. It was apparent we were under heavier ice here than any we had experienced before." While at the pole, Calvert and the crew planted an American Flag in a cairn they built out of ice blocks and put a waterproof container in the cairn with a note commemorating the event. The crew also held a ceremony for the late Arctic explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins and committed his ashes at the pole.[8] In 1931, Sir Hubert had conducted an Arctic expedition in the disarmed research submarine Nautilus (ex-USS O-12). After reaching the Pole, the Skate continued its mission to pioneer arctic operations during periods of extreme cold and maximum ice thickness. When the submarine returned to port, she was awarded a bronze star in lieu of a second Navy Unit Commendation for demonstrating "... for the first time the ability of submarines to operate in and under the Arctic ice in the dead of winter...." In the fall of 1959 and in 1960, Skate participated in exercises designed to strengthen American antisubmarine defenses.
...}

Obviously there was NO clear open water. It was all iced over.

An NO ONE with any sense would ever claim there is more ice now than in the last 10,000 years.
Clearly all the data says the ice is now less than ever in the last 10,000 years.
The data shown before was showing ice core samples from Greenland, and that has absolutely NOTHING at all to do with floating ice that is totally dependent on ocean water temperatures and nothing at all to do with land temperatures.

You are absolutely laughable...and do feel free to provide some of this "data" that you claim says that the ice is less now than it has been for the last 10,000 years. I have provided at least 3 peer reviewed published studies that say otherwise and so far all you have done is make claims that you can't back up...

 

[Rigby5]

There is no one reputable that disputes AGW.
It simply is scientific fact, we have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by about 40% and CO2 prevent some heat from radiating back out into space.
It is absolute fact.
And anyone who remembers the USS Natilus traveling under the Arctic ice in the summer of 1958, will remember that until 2007 the whole Arctic Ocean was impossible to traverse, due to ice. Now you can. In 2007 was the first time you could do that in 10,000 years.

This too is a lie. You're not doing well.

So are you really trying to claim that there was a Northwest Passage for easy traversal of shipping over the Arctic Ocean in the 10,000 years before 2007?
That would have to be the single biggest lie I have ever heard anyone ever claim!

Here are graphs from 3 separate peer reviewed, published studies...as you can see, the ice extent is greater now than it has been at any time in the past 10,000 years except for the little ice age which we are still in the process of warming out of...

Not only was the northwest passage open, but according to these graphs, practically the whole arctic circle was open to navigation during the summer as it was most likely ice free .

Now feel free to deny peer reviewed, published literature in favor of your beliefs...

Are you an idiot?

Clearly the scale on the Holocene is 10,000 years, so there is no way anyone could see the classic hockey stick of the last 30 years or so.
Nor is there anyway anyone could produce hard data over ocean ice coverage. That would be impossible. They would have to be guessing based on land ice core samples, which are not really valid at all for floading ice, that are much more dependent upon things like currents.

Don't you know anything about climate or history?
Of course all the graphs should show that the climate is supposed to be getting colder over the last 10,000 years.
The last ice age was over a long time ago, and we now are supposed to be entering into the next one. It is supposed to be getting colder.
But the HOCKEY STICK is the fact the last 50 years are NOT getting colder as it should, but it is getting MUCH warmer instead.

You really should not put up data you have no understanding of.
You have not proved anything except how little you know about anything.

 

[SSDD]

There is no one reputable that disputes AGW.
It simply is scientific fact, we have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by about 40% and CO2 prevent some heat from radiating back out into space.
It is absolute fact.
And anyone who remembers the USS Natilus traveling under the Arctic ice in the summer of 1958, will remember that until 2007 the whole Arctic Ocean was impossible to traverse, due to ice. Now you can. In 2007 was the first time you could do that in 10,000 years.

This too is a lie. You're not doing well.

So are you really trying to claim that there was a Northwest Passage for easy traversal of shipping over the Arctic Ocean in the 10,000 years before 2007?
That would have to be the single biggest lie I have ever heard anyone ever claim!

Here are graphs from 3 separate peer reviewed, published studies...as you can see, the ice extent is greater now than it has been at any time in the past 10,000 years except for the little ice age which we are still in the process of warming out of...

Not only was the northwest passage open, but according to these graphs, practically the whole arctic circle was open to navigation during the summer as it was most likely ice free .

Now feel free to deny peer reviewed, published literature in favor of your beliefs...

Are you an idiot?

Clearly the scale on the Holocene is 10,000 years, so there is no way anyone could see the classic hockey stick of the last 30 years or so.
Nor is there anyway anyone could produce hard data over ocean ice coverage. That would be impossible. They would have to be guessing based on land ice core samples, which are not really valid at all for floading ice, that are much more dependent upon things like currents.

Don't you know anything about climate or history?
Of course all the graphs should show that the climate is supposed to be getting colder over the last 10,000 years.
The last ice age was over a long time ago, and we now are supposed to be entering into the next one. It is supposed to be getting colder.
But the HOCKEY STICK is the fact the last 50 years are NOT getting colder as it should, but it is getting MUCH warmer instead.

You really should not put up data you have no understanding of.
You have not proved anything except how little you know about anything.

So you are a science denier... Got it. You will deny any and everything that doesn't agree with what you believe...and apparently what you believe is not based on any sort of science because you don't seem to be able to produce anything like actual science to support your claims.

And by the way...it was nice of you to demonstrate that you can't read even a simple graph.

 

[Rigby5]

There is no one reputable that disputes AGW.
It simply is scientific fact, we have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by about 40% and CO2 prevent some heat from radiating back out into space.
It is absolute fact.
And anyone who remembers the USS Natilus traveling under the Arctic ice in the summer of 1958, will remember that until 2007 the whole Arctic Ocean was impossible to traverse, due to ice. Now you can. In 2007 was the first time you could do that in 10,000 years.

\

You seem to be wrong on everything you say...where do you get all your bullshit? Or do you just make it up as you go?

Here is the Sea Dragon and her sister ship the Skate at the north pole in 1959

And as you have been shown, the peer reviewed literature says that there is more ice in the arctic now than there has been for most of the past 10,000 years.

Liar.
Again, these images are NOT at the North Pole, but at Drifting Ice Station Alpha at 85ºN, 300 nm away.

Try to do some reading from more than a single source next time.
Anyone can claim an image is from somewhere else, but the history records are clear that no one was able to surface at the North Pole until after the year 2000.

Here is the real description of the USS Skates 2nd pole trip, where it did surface.

{...
While the Skate was unable to surface on its first voyage to the pole, on 17 March 1959, she became the first submarine to surface at the North Pole with Calvert describing the historic moment in his book, saying, "Slowly we blew the tanks and the Skate moved reluctantly upward. It was apparent we were under heavier ice here than any we had experienced before." While at the pole, Calvert and the crew planted an American Flag in a cairn they built out of ice blocks and put a waterproof container in the cairn with a note commemorating the event. The crew also held a ceremony for the late Arctic explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins and committed his ashes at the pole.[8] In 1931, Sir Hubert had conducted an Arctic expedition in the disarmed research submarine Nautilus (ex-USS O-12). After reaching the Pole, the Skate continued its mission to pioneer arctic operations during periods of extreme cold and maximum ice thickness. When the submarine returned to port, she was awarded a bronze star in lieu of a second Navy Unit Commendation for demonstrating "... for the first time the ability of submarines to operate in and under the Arctic ice in the dead of winter...." In the fall of 1959 and in 1960, Skate participated in exercises designed to strengthen American antisubmarine defenses.
...}

Obviously there was NO clear open water. It was all iced over.

An NO ONE with any sense would ever claim there is more ice now than in the last 10,000 years.
Clearly all the data says the ice is now less than ever in the last 10,000 years.
The data shown before was showing ice core samples from Greenland, and that has absolutely NOTHING at all to do with floating ice that is totally dependent on ocean water temperatures and nothing at all to do with land temperatures.

You are absolutely laughable...and do feel free to provide some of this "data" that you claim says that the ice is less now than it has been for the last 10,000 years. I have provided at least 3 peer reviewed published studies that say otherwise and so far all you have done is make claims that you can't back up...

No, you did not show that there is more ice now.
There is NO ice data from before there were planes and submarines to explore the ice.
And the graphs you did show were of such as large scale that they do not at all show the last 50 years.
They hardly even show the last 1000 years.
You clearly do not know how to read a graph at all.
As what you published shows you are totally wrong.

It is easy show the real data.
Here is one that at first glance appears similar to what you posted.

But look closer.
The Hockey Stick is visible.
If you look along the right edge on the Temperature Anomaly axis, you will see the year 2016 with an arrow point to a point on the axis, very close to 1 degree above the dotted median of the axis. That clearly is higher than almost every single spike anywhere during the entire Holocene.
Anyone then who does not recognize this as an enormous hockey stick, would have to be blind, stupid, and irrational.

 

[Rigby5]

There is no one reputable that disputes AGW.
It simply is scientific fact, we have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by about 40% and CO2 prevent some heat from radiating back out into space.
It is absolute fact.
And anyone who remembers the USS Natilus traveling under the Arctic ice in the summer of 1958, will remember that until 2007 the whole Arctic Ocean was impossible to traverse, due to ice. Now you can. In 2007 was the first time you could do that in 10,000 years.

This too is a lie. You're not doing well.

So are you really trying to claim that there was a Northwest Passage for easy traversal of shipping over the Arctic Ocean in the 10,000 years before 2007?
That would have to be the single biggest lie I have ever heard anyone ever claim!

Here are graphs from 3 separate peer reviewed, published studies...as you can see, the ice extent is greater now than it has been at any time in the past 10,000 years except for the little ice age which we are still in the process of warming out of...

Not only was the northwest passage open, but according to these graphs, practically the whole arctic circle was open to navigation during the summer as it was most likely ice free .

Now feel free to deny peer reviewed, published literature in favor of your beliefs...

Are you an idiot?

Clearly the scale on the Holocene is 10,000 years, so there is no way anyone could see the classic hockey stick of the last 30 years or so.
Nor is there anyway anyone could produce hard data over ocean ice coverage. That would be impossible. They would have to be guessing based on land ice core samples, which are not really valid at all for floading ice, that are much more dependent upon things like currents.

Don't you know anything about climate or history?
Of course all the graphs should show that the climate is supposed to be getting colder over the last 10,000 years.
The last ice age was over a long time ago, and we now are supposed to be entering into the next one. It is supposed to be getting colder.
But the HOCKEY STICK is the fact the last 50 years are NOT getting colder as it should, but it is getting MUCH warmer instead.

You really should not put up data you have no understanding of.
You have not proved anything except how little you know about anything.

So you are a science denier... Got it. You will deny any and everything that doesn't agree with what you believe...and apparently what you believe is not based on any sort of science because you don't seem to be able to produce anything like actual science to support your claims.

And by the way...it was nice of you to demonstrate that you can't read even a simple graph.

You are an idiot.
Obviously there can not be actual floating ice coverage data of any accuracy for more than 60 years or so.
Your graphs are fake suppositions and NOT at all measured real data.
They can't be real.
With the ocean melt off since 2007, there is no ancient floating Arctic ice to collect or measure. And even worse, is that according to you, there never was. According to you there could not ever have been any ancient Arctic floating ice samples because it was always too warm.
So then you clearly have to be lying.

 

[westwall]

{...
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016
Author:
Tom Di Liberto
September 16, 2016

For the last several decades, Earth has had a fever, and it has been spiking in recent years. Nowhere has this been clearer than across the Arctic, where annual average temperature has been warming at twice the rate of lower latitudes. As a result, sea ice has become a dwindling commodityin the far north frequently exposing the southern path through the Northwest Passage—the oft-talked about ship route from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean through the Canadian Arctic.

The Canadian Arctic on August 9, 2016, showing the Northwest Passage nearly free of ice. The "southern route" through the passage, travelled by Roald Amundsen in the early 1900s, is traced in yellow. The more commericaly important "northern route" goes straight through Parry Channel from Lancaster Sound to McClure Strait. NASA/NOAA image from Suomi/NPP satellite.

Cloudless skies across the Arctic on August 9 provided a clear view of open water conditions across the straits that make up the Canadian Arctic. Thinner ice and record-low sea ice extents leading up to the 2016 summer melt season plus warmer oceans during the summer led to well below-average amounts of sea ice across the Arctic. Strong storms during August helped break up and clear out the ice along the southern route of the passage. You can draw a line yourself through iceless seas to create your own path, like finishing a real-time geographic maze.
...}

Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

It's called Summer. Its not new either

Remind me when there is no ice in winter

Wrong.
There were summers before 2007, but no Northwest Passage.
There has not been a Northwest Passage for over 10,000 years, until now.

Ha ha, so much ignorance you have. It was passed through in a SINGLE season in 1944 and other trips before that happened too:

From Geology.com

Norwegian explorer Roald Amundsen and his crew were the first to cross the Northwest Passage entirely by sea in 1906. Although the crossing was an important "first," it had little economic value because the journey took three years and used waters that were too shallow for commercial shipping.

and,

The first single-season trip through the passage was by Henry Larsen and crew in 1944.

and,

In 1957, three United States Coast Guard Cutters - Storis, Bramble, and SPAR - became the first ships to cross the Northwest Passage along a deep draft route. They covered the 4,500 miles of semi-charted water in 64 days.

Totally wrong. You clearly either did not read or did not understand what you were supposed to read.
There has always been ways by hugging along the coast, dependent on warmer rivers to break ice, or by using Coast Guard Cutters that can break through ice. That is NOT a commercial Northwest Passage.
All you have to do is read where is says, "64 days". A real Northwest Passage through the Arctic Ocean should only take about 5 days or so. It is not long if the ice allows a straight shot. When one is talking about 64 days, that is either slow ice breaking, or zigzagging while hugging the coast.
Think a little before writing next time.

And YOU have been ignoring that your so called open Northwest passage has had a ice breaker WITH them to clear the ice. Talk about a liar, you are a bad one at that.

 

[westwall]

This too is a lie. You're not doing well.

So are you really trying to claim that there was a Northwest Passage for easy traversal of shipping over the Arctic Ocean in the 10,000 years before 2007?
That would have to be the single biggest lie I have ever heard anyone ever claim!

Here are graphs from 3 separate peer reviewed, published studies...as you can see, the ice extent is greater now than it has been at any time in the past 10,000 years except for the little ice age which we are still in the process of warming out of...

Not only was the northwest passage open, but according to these graphs, practically the whole arctic circle was open to navigation during the summer as it was most likely ice free .

Now feel free to deny peer reviewed, published literature in favor of your beliefs...

Are you an idiot?

Clearly the scale on the Holocene is 10,000 years, so there is no way anyone could see the classic hockey stick of the last 30 years or so.
Nor is there anyway anyone could produce hard data over ocean ice coverage. That would be impossible. They would have to be guessing based on land ice core samples, which are not really valid at all for floading ice, that are much more dependent upon things like currents.

Don't you know anything about climate or history?
Of course all the graphs should show that the climate is supposed to be getting colder over the last 10,000 years.
The last ice age was over a long time ago, and we now are supposed to be entering into the next one. It is supposed to be getting colder.
But the HOCKEY STICK is the fact the last 50 years are NOT getting colder as it should, but it is getting MUCH warmer instead.

You really should not put up data you have no understanding of.
You have not proved anything except how little you know about anything.

So you are a science denier... Got it. You will deny any and everything that doesn't agree with what you believe...and apparently what you believe is not based on any sort of science because you don't seem to be able to produce anything like actual science to support your claims.

And by the way...it was nice of you to demonstrate that you can't read even a simple graph.

You are an idiot.
Obviously there can not be actual floating ice coverage data of any accuracy for more than 60 years or so.
Your graphs are fake suppositions and NOT at all measured real data.
They can't be real.
With the ocean melt off since 2007, there is no ancient floating Arctic ice to collect or measure. And even worse, is that according to you, there never was. According to you there could not ever have been any ancient Arctic floating ice samples because it was always too warm.
So then you clearly have to be lying.

How old do you think the oldest ice is in the Arctic?