Proof of AGW fraud

[bripat9643]

There is no one reputable that disputes AGW.
It simply is scientific fact, we have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by about 40% and CO2 prevent some heat from radiating back out into space.
It is absolute fact.
And anyone who remembers the USS Natilus traveling under the Arctic ice in the summer of 1958, will remember that until 2007 the whole Arctic Ocean was impossible to traverse, due to ice. Now you can. In 2007 was the first time you could do that in 10,000 years.

Sorry, turd, but your claims are not facts, and plenty of credible people dispute the Chicken Little theory of AGW.

Who and how?
There is absolutely no question global warming is happening. The Northwest Passage opening for the first time in 10,000 years is proof enough of that.
So are you saying that is part of some natural cycle, even though we know that the natural ice age cycle is more like 120 thousand years long?
You are making no sense and giving no details to claims that look pretty silly on their own.

 

[Rigby5]

{...
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016
Author:
Tom Di Liberto
September 16, 2016

For the last several decades, Earth has had a fever, and it has been spiking in recent years. Nowhere has this been clearer than across the Arctic, where annual average temperature has been warming at twice the rate of lower latitudes. As a result, sea ice has become a dwindling commodityin the far north frequently exposing the southern path through the Northwest Passage—the oft-talked about ship route from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean through the Canadian Arctic.

The Canadian Arctic on August 9, 2016, showing the Northwest Passage nearly free of ice. The "southern route" through the passage, travelled by Roald Amundsen in the early 1900s, is traced in yellow. The more commericaly important "northern route" goes straight through Parry Channel from Lancaster Sound to McClure Strait. NASA/NOAA image from Suomi/NPP satellite.

Cloudless skies across the Arctic on August 9 provided a clear view of open water conditions across the straits that make up the Canadian Arctic. Thinner ice and record-low sea ice extents leading up to the 2016 summer melt season plus warmer oceans during the summer led to well below-average amounts of sea ice across the Arctic. Strong storms during August helped break up and clear out the ice along the southern route of the passage. You can draw a line yourself through iceless seas to create your own path, like finishing a real-time geographic maze.
...}

Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

It's called Summer. Its not new either

Remind me when there is no ice in winter

Wrong.
There were summers before 2007, but no Northwest Passage.
There has not been a Northwest Passage for over 10,000 years, until now.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The one 20000 years ago and left a mountain near my nj home

Exactly.
Ice ages are about 120 thousand year long cycles that are fairly regular and slow.
While in comparison, we have artificially released over 5 trillion tons of sequestered fossil carbon a years, and caused as much climate change as an ice age, in less than 200 years.

And nothing has happened. The north pole is still frozen as is Antarctica

Wrong.
Every summer, ships now traverse the Northwest Passage.
Are you claiming they don't?
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

Fresh melt off from Greenland is starting to submerge the Gulf Stream and sent Europe off in a mini ice age.
The Antarctic ice shelf is radidly calving.
Mountain tops are becoming bare.

The changes are dramatic and obvious to anyone.

There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretending

Yawn

Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg

Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.

People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.

 

[Frannie]

Exactly.
Ice ages are about 120 thousand year long cycles that are fairly regular and slow.
While in comparison, we have artificially released over 5 trillion tons of sequestered fossil carbon a years, and caused as much climate change as an ice age, in less than 200 years.

And nothing has happened. The north pole is still frozen as is Antarctica

Wrong.
Every summer, ships now traverse the Northwest Passage.
Are you claiming they don't?
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

Fresh melt off from Greenland is starting to submerge the Gulf Stream and sent Europe off in a mini ice age.
The Antarctic ice shelf is radidly calving.
Mountain tops are becoming bare.

The changes are dramatic and obvious to anyone.

There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretending

Yawn

Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg

Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.

People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.

WHAT THE FUCK



So you saying 1950's technology is better than 2019?




How Fucking stupid are you?


.

I proved the pole was ice free in 1958

Next

 

[Rigby5]

Exactly.
Ice ages are about 120 thousand year long cycles that are fairly regular and slow.
While in comparison, we have artificially released over 5 trillion tons of sequestered fossil carbon a years, and caused as much climate change as an ice age, in less than 200 years.

And nothing has happened. The north pole is still frozen as is Antarctica

Wrong.
Every summer, ships now traverse the Northwest Passage.
Are you claiming they don't?
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

Fresh melt off from Greenland is starting to submerge the Gulf Stream and sent Europe off in a mini ice age.
The Antarctic ice shelf is radidly calving.
Mountain tops are becoming bare.

The changes are dramatic and obvious to anyone.

There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretending

Yawn

Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg

Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.

People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.

WHAT THE FUCK



So you saying 1950's technology is better than 2019?




How Fucking stupid are you?


.

That is a deliberate attempt to lie.
What I said is that plane based instruments are vastly superior to satellites because they are closer, heavier, etc.
The year is irrelevant.

 

[Wyatt earp]

{...
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016
Author:
Tom Di Liberto
September 16, 2016

For the last several decades, Earth has had a fever, and it has been spiking in recent years. Nowhere has this been clearer than across the Arctic, where annual average temperature has been warming at twice the rate of lower latitudes. As a result, sea ice has become a dwindling commodityin the far north frequently exposing the southern path through the Northwest Passage—the oft-talked about ship route from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean through the Canadian Arctic.

The Canadian Arctic on August 9, 2016, showing the Northwest Passage nearly free of ice. The "southern route" through the passage, travelled by Roald Amundsen in the early 1900s, is traced in yellow. The more commericaly important "northern route" goes straight through Parry Channel from Lancaster Sound to McClure Strait. NASA/NOAA image from Suomi/NPP satellite.

Cloudless skies across the Arctic on August 9 provided a clear view of open water conditions across the straits that make up the Canadian Arctic. Thinner ice and record-low sea ice extents leading up to the 2016 summer melt season plus warmer oceans during the summer led to well below-average amounts of sea ice across the Arctic. Strong storms during August helped break up and clear out the ice along the southern route of the passage. You can draw a line yourself through iceless seas to create your own path, like finishing a real-time geographic maze.
...}

Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

It's called Summer. Its not new either

Remind me when there is no ice in winter

Wrong.
There were summers before 2007, but no Northwest Passage.
There has not been a Northwest Passage for over 10,000 years, until now.

You have a picture of that 10,000 years ago?

 

[bripat9643]

Data can need adjusted so it can be blended with other data.

For example, the unemployment rate is seasonally adjusted. Better start running down the street & screaming "OMG OMG OMG" to that one.

No Dave, you don't 'adjust' data and then expect to have a reliable statistical outcome. This is the problem with AGW, the data is cherry-picked to align with the already determined conclusion.

Wrong.
You always have to adjust data.
For example, when you want to check balance of trade against the past, you have to adjust for the increase in GPD and inflation instead of using gross numbers.
There is no cherry picking with AGW research. There is absolutely no incentive to do that. The only ones with a motive to lie are the ones making profits from selling fossil fuels. Scientists are not paid more for findings on AGW.

That's utter bullshit. Michael Mann cherry picked the tree ring studies he used. The frauds who "homogenize" the temperature data cherry pick which stations they use. They also modify the data from the ones they do pick.

You're totally delusional about what goes on in the climate fraud industry.

 

[Leo123]

Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.

People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.

Thanks for proving global climate is cyclical and there is nothing we humans can do to stop it. Instead of trying to blame humans (for fun and profit) may I suggest actually studying the climate so we can protect ourselves from natural cyclical changes? It's like studying asteroids to see if they will eventually target Earth. No one blames humans for asteroids but we are looking for ways to protect us from a devastating collision. Of course, give the radical lefties enough time and they will find a way to blame humans for everything that happens in space too.

 

[Wyatt earp]

And nothing has happened. The north pole is still frozen as is Antarctica

Wrong.
Every summer, ships now traverse the Northwest Passage.
Are you claiming they don't?
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

Fresh melt off from Greenland is starting to submerge the Gulf Stream and sent Europe off in a mini ice age.
The Antarctic ice shelf is radidly calving.
Mountain tops are becoming bare.

The changes are dramatic and obvious to anyone.

There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretending

Yawn

Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg

Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.

People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.

WHAT THE FUCK



So you saying 1950's technology is better than 2019?




How Fucking stupid are you?


.

That is a deliberate attempt to lie.
What I said is that plane based instruments are vastly superior to satellites because they are closer, heavier, etc.
The year is irrelevant.

In 1959, the USS Skate surfaced at the North Pole, and reported this :

“the Skate found open water both in the summer and following winter. We surfaced near the North Pole in the winter through thin ice less than 2 feet thick.”

 

[Wyatt earp]

And nothing has happened. The north pole is still frozen as is Antarctica

Wrong.
Every summer, ships now traverse the Northwest Passage.
Are you claiming they don't?
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

Fresh melt off from Greenland is starting to submerge the Gulf Stream and sent Europe off in a mini ice age.
The Antarctic ice shelf is radidly calving.
Mountain tops are becoming bare.

The changes are dramatic and obvious to anyone.

There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretending

Yawn

Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg

Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.

People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.

WHAT THE FUCK



So you saying 1950's technology is better than 2019?




How Fucking stupid are you?


.

That is a deliberate attempt to lie.
What I said is that plane based instruments are vastly superior to satellites because they are closer, heavier, etc.
The year is irrelevant.

Lie? This is your Quote


We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.

 

[Leo123]

Data can need adjusted so it can be blended with other data.

For example, the unemployment rate is seasonally adjusted. Better start running down the street & screaming "OMG OMG OMG" to that one.

No Dave, you don't 'adjust' data and then expect to have a reliable statistical outcome. This is the problem with AGW, the data is cherry-picked to align with the already determined conclusion.

Wrong.
You always have to adjust data.
For example, when you want to check balance of trade against the past, you have to adjust for the increase in GPD and inflation instead of using gross numbers.
There is no cherry picking with AGW research. There is absolutely no incentive to do that. The only ones with a motive to lie are the ones making profits from selling fossil fuels. Scientists are not paid more for findings on AGW.

It is misleading to compare 'balance of trade' statistical conclusions to 'climate change.' These are two different sets of data and different fields of study. As far as 'no incentive' may I remind you that there is a whole industry around so-called 'climate change.' There is absolutely every incentive to cherry-pick data in order to keep the tax dollars coming.

 

[BlindBoo]

We know CO2 has to cause warming, and we know that burning all that fossil fuel adds over 5 trillion tons of carbon a year, to the atmosphere.
And we know it is accumulative, as CO2 is stable and only taken out by things like plants

We also know we're not going to stop burning fossil fuels.

"An ideal solution is to put the carbon back where it came from?into coal seams, old oil and gas fields, or deep, porous rock formations. This process, called geologic sequestration, is already being used in the North Sea. One particular field yields gas that is heavily contaminated with naturally occurring carbon dioxide which is filtered out and injected into a sandstone formation half a mile below the seafloor. In the United States, the U.S. Department of Energy is planning its own test project in West Virginia, drilling a 10,000 foot well in order to pump carbon dioxide into the deep rock. Although it is uncertain as to how these projects will fare in the long run, the North Sea project continues eight years later and has been effective in sealing 6 million tons of carbon dioxide to date."

The Missing Carbon Sink - The Environmental Literacy Council

 

[westwall]

There is no one reputable that disputes AGW.
It simply is scientific fact, we have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by about 40% and CO2 prevent some heat from radiating back out into space.
It is absolute fact.
And anyone who remembers the USS Natilus traveling under the Arctic ice in the summer of 1958, will remember that until 2007 the whole Arctic Ocean was impossible to traverse, due to ice. Now you can. In 2007 was the first time you could do that in 10,000 years.

This too is a lie. You're not doing well.

So are you really trying to claim that there was a Northwest Passage for easy traversal of shipping over the Arctic Ocean in the 10,000 years before 2007?
That would have to be the single biggest lie I have ever heard anyone ever claim!

The Russians were able to traverse it in the 1880's for one case. You need to read some history, not the made up crap the globull warmers fill your head with, dude.

 

[Third Party]

For a minute there, I was worried this thread would make me think. Whew!

 

[westwall]

The hockey stick graph ignores an entire ice age

What ice age?

The one 20000 years ago and left a mountain near my nj home

Exactly.
Ice ages are about 120 thousand year long cycles that are fairly regular and slow.
While in comparison, we have artificially released over 5 trillion tons of sequestered fossil carbon a years, and caused as much climate change as an ice age, in less than 200 years.

And nothing has happened. The north pole is still frozen as is Antarctica

Wrong.
Every summer, ships now traverse the Northwest Passage.
Are you claiming they don't?
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

Fresh melt off from Greenland is starting to submerge the Gulf Stream and sent Europe off in a mini ice age.
The Antarctic ice shelf is radidly calving.
Mountain tops are becoming bare.

The changes are dramatic and obvious to anyone.

What's funny is you don't even look that the passage wasn't even truly clear. In every case the merchant ships needed a ice breaker in attendance to make sure they could get through.

 

[westwall]

Data can need adjusted so it can be blended with other data.

For example, the unemployment rate is seasonally adjusted. Better start running down the street & screaming "OMG OMG OMG" to that one.

No Dave, you don't 'adjust' data and then expect to have a reliable statistical outcome. This is the problem with AGW, the data is cherry-picked to align with the already determined conclusion.

Wrong.
You always have to adjust data.
For example, when you want to check balance of trade against the past, you have to adjust for the increase in GPD and inflation instead of using gross numbers.
There is no cherry picking with AGW research. There is absolutely no incentive to do that. The only ones with a motive to lie are the ones making profits from selling fossil fuels. Scientists are not paid more for findings on AGW.

That is called scientific FRAUD, dude. RAW data should never be adjusted. When it is there is only one cause, they are committing fraud.

 

[The Original Tree]

So you admit that Global Warming is real and it's happening...you just stupidly don't care.

Oh...

No, I am saying it is not happening at all. We don't even have accurate global temperature records going back even 50 years. Everything else from 40 years ago and older is all theoretical projections on sketchy data.

It's probably easier to prove Big Foot is real than Man Made Global Warming is real.

 

[Sunsettommy]

{...
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016
Author:
Tom Di Liberto
September 16, 2016

For the last several decades, Earth has had a fever, and it has been spiking in recent years. Nowhere has this been clearer than across the Arctic, where annual average temperature has been warming at twice the rate of lower latitudes. As a result, sea ice has become a dwindling commodityin the far north frequently exposing the southern path through the Northwest Passage—the oft-talked about ship route from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean through the Canadian Arctic.

The Canadian Arctic on August 9, 2016, showing the Northwest Passage nearly free of ice. The "southern route" through the passage, travelled by Roald Amundsen in the early 1900s, is traced in yellow. The more commericaly important "northern route" goes straight through Parry Channel from Lancaster Sound to McClure Strait. NASA/NOAA image from Suomi/NPP satellite.

Cloudless skies across the Arctic on August 9 provided a clear view of open water conditions across the straits that make up the Canadian Arctic. Thinner ice and record-low sea ice extents leading up to the 2016 summer melt season plus warmer oceans during the summer led to well below-average amounts of sea ice across the Arctic. Strong storms during August helped break up and clear out the ice along the southern route of the passage. You can draw a line yourself through iceless seas to create your own path, like finishing a real-time geographic maze.
...}

Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov

It's called Summer. Its not new either

Remind me when there is no ice in winter

Wrong.
There were summers before 2007, but no Northwest Passage.
There has not been a Northwest Passage for over 10,000 years, until now.

I have grown weary of Rigby5 statements, which has ranged from absurd to sheer ignorance.

Here he make clear he doesn't know there were hundreds of years at a time in the early part of the interglacial period to the MWP time frame, that showed little to NO Summer ice cover. Yes there are a number of science papers on this, even SSDD showed one in another thread recently. Here I post a couple showing this actually happened:

Birds and Climatic Change

Kenneth Williamson (1975) Birds and Climatic Change, Bird Study, 22:3,143-164, DOI: 10.1080/00063657509476459

Published online: 24 Jun 2009

“HISTORICAL REVIEW

Between 1000 and 1300 average summer temperatures were about 1°C higher than today, with the mean annual temperature higher by perhaps 4°C in a largely ice-free Arctic. Eric the Red, a renowned world citizen of that time, has been much maligned as the first progressive publicity man for giving Greenland a false image in order to attract settlers; but in truth, the southwest of that vast country was warmer and greener by far than at any time until the Fieldfares Turdus pilaris arrived there in the mid-1930s. The sea-temperature of the Atlantic was higher than it has been since, and there appears to have been none or very little ice to hinder the Vikings’ communications between Iceland, Greenland,Newfoundland and Labrador (Mowat 1965). Indeed Brooks (1926) considers thatthe polar ice-cap may have disappeared entirely during the summer months, tobuild anew each winter.”

and,

New insights on Arctic Quaternary climate variability from palaeo-records and numerical modelling

December 2010

Martin Jackobsson, et al

Abstract

Terrestrial and marine geological archives in the Arctic contain information on environmental change through Quaternary interglacial–glacial cycles. The Arctic Palaeoclimate and its Extremes (APEX) scientific network aims to better understand the magnitude and frequency of past Arctic climate variability, with focus on the “extreme” versus the “normal” conditions of the climate system. One important motivation for studying the amplitude of past natural environmental changes in the Arctic is to better understand the role of this region in a global perspective and provide base-line conditions against which to explore potential future changes in Arctic climate under scenarios of global warming. In this review we identify several areas that are distinct to the present programme and highlight some recent advances presented in this special issue concerning Arctic palaeo-records and natural variability, including spatial and temporal variability of the Greenland Ice Sheet, Arctic Ocean sediment stratigraphy, past ice shelves and marginal marine ice sheets, and the Cenozoic history of Arctic Ocean sea ice in general and Holocene oscillations in sea ice concentrations in particular. The combined sea ice data suggest that the seasonal Arctic sea ice cover was strongly reduced during most of the early Holocene and there appear to have been periods of ice free summers in the central Arctic Ocean. This has important consequences for our understanding of the recent trend of declining sea ice, and calls for further research on causal links between Arctic climate and sea ice.
==================================================================

CO2 level was NEVER a factor in all those far lower Summer sea ice level during the Holocene.

 

[BlindBoo]

We don't even have accurate global temperature records going back even 50 years. Everything else from 40 years ago and older is all theoretical projections on sketchy data.

Yep. I remember growing up in the 60's in the freezing cold asking "Momma? How cold is it?"

"I don't know Son, they haven't invented the thermometer yet."

But it was damn cold that year.

 

[Frannie]

So you admit that Global Warming is real and it's happening...you just stupidly don't care.

Oh...

No, I am saying it is not happening at all. We don't even have accurate global temperature records going back even 50 years. Everything else from 40 years ago and older is all theoretical projections on sketchy data.

It's probably easier to prove Big Foot is real than Man Made Global Warming is real.

Which one is big foot