President Obama Challenges states to come up with better plan: Vermont does.

[iggy pop]

While other states are busy crushing unions, denying people healthcare, like Jan Brewer, which resulted in the deaths of two people and cutting taxes on the rich (Can we guess what party or ideology these people embrace), Vermont actually took up Obama's challenge and went with single payer.

About fucking time.

Vt. House Passes Single-Payer Health Care Bill - News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh

MONTPELIER, Vt. -- After hours of debate, the Vermont House of Representatives approved a bill that would create a single-payer health care system in Vermont.

It passed 92-49. In a meeting right after the vote, the house speaker, the governor and others who worked on the bill called it a historic moment for Vermont.

"Become the first state in the country to make the first substantive step to deliver a health care system where health care will be a right and not a privilege," said Gov. Peter Shumlin.

Cool

 

[Douger]

Massachusetts doesn't have a single-payer system.

If Vermont moves forward with this, it will be the first state in the nation to do so (California came close twice, but both times the single-payer bill was vetoed by Governor Schwarzenegger).

Of course it was.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

While other states are busy crushing unions, denying people healthcare, like Jan Brewer, which resulted in the deaths of two people and cutting taxes on the rich (Can we guess what party or ideology these people embrace), Vermont actually took up Obama's challenge and went with single payer.

About fucking time.

Vt. House Passes Single-Payer Health Care Bill - News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh

I love this. Thanks, Sallow.

I do too.

I actually love this country and it's people. I don't want to see them die prematurely and miserable.

Gee......what kind o' 'Merican ARE you?????

How're the high-roller$/1%er$ expected to Be, All They Can Be......if they've no way to eliminate the competition???

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[Mr. Shaman]

Well here's hoping it doesn't break the state like it did Mass.

Just wondering. What's thier ranking economically?

Ah, yes.....that ol' 'Bagger-fave; Absolutes.

Massachusetts is broken........yet, you have NO clue what their economic-rank is.

Yeah.....that makes a lot o' sense.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Good job by Vermont

Glad to see they understand how critical healthcare is to their people

.....Not-to-mention Vermont's understanding of the sheer-economics of providing health-care!!!​

BILL MOYERS: Why is public insurance, a public option, so fiercely opposed by the industry?

WENDELL POTTER: The industry doesn't want to have any competitor. In fact, over the course of the last few years, has been shrinking the number of competitors through a lot of acquisitions and mergers. So first of all, they don't want any more competition period. They certainly don't want it from a government plan that might be operating more efficiently than they are, that they operate. The Medicare program that we have here is a government-run program that has administrative expenses that are like three percent or so.

BILL MOYERS: Compared to the industry's--

WENDELL POTTER: They spend about 20 cents of every premium dollar on overhead, which is administrative expense or profit. So they don't want to compete against a more efficient competitor."

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YouTube - BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Wendell Potter | PBS​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

you didnt need this issue to make them be hypocrites on the tenth.

True, but given how big the issue of healthcare is right now, it'll shine a brighter spotlight on their hypocrisy.

Why?

This is a state. This falls squarely under states rights.

fyi; Conservatives fukkin LOVE states rights.

.....Especially the more-traditional......​

....States' Rights.​

(...When eliminating the competition for resources was more-acceptable.)​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

While other states are busy crushing unions, denying people healthcare, like Jan Brewer, which resulted in the deaths of two people and cutting taxes on the rich (Can we guess what party or ideology these people embrace), Vermont actually took up Obama's challenge and went with single payer.

About fucking time.

Vt. House Passes Single-Payer Health Care Bill - News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh

MONTPELIER, Vt. -- After hours of debate, the Vermont House of Representatives approved a bill that would create a single-payer health care system in Vermont.

It passed 92-49. In a meeting right after the vote, the house speaker, the governor and others who worked on the bill called it a historic moment for Vermont.

"Become the first state in the country to make the first substantive step to deliver a health care system where health care will be a right and not a privilege," said Gov. Peter Shumlin.

The question is will you be the first on your side to finally admit you are a Marxist?

You Fascists are always so artful at sneakin' that in!!​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Why?

This is a state. This falls squarely under states rights.

fyi; Conservatives fukkin LOVE states rights.

Yeah, that's what they say, anyway. This'll likely put that view to the test. Let's see if they can leave Vermont alone and not try to undermine their efforts.

Ok, and if it fails like it did in Mass. Who will you blame?

Wouldn't it have TO fail, in Massachusetts, for you to be right???



So FAR.....you're......

....Full O' SHIT!!!

(See what happens, when you listen to Porky Limbaugh. )​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Why?

This is a state. This falls squarely under states rights.

fyi; Conservatives fukkin LOVE states rights.

Yeah, that's what they say, anyway. This'll likely put that view to the test. Let's see if they can leave Vermont alone and not try to undermine their efforts.

And lets see if the people of Vermont can leave other states alone when they buracracy of a single payer system tells them they have to wait 4 weeks for a CAT scan, or how many doctors leave vermont when the state gets to set compensation rates (with no appeal of course)

.....Just like Massachusetts.....right????

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yeah, that's what they say, anyway. This'll likely put that view to the test. Let's see if they can leave Vermont alone and not try to undermine their efforts.

Ok, and if it fails like it did in Mass. Who will you blame? You seem fully prepared to blame the GOP already for things you think they will do.

Personnally I hope it makes it. And it spreads to other states if they so choose to. But right now, it's a cancer. It's a failed idea that has spread.

So why are all of you cheering an idea that has failed and killed one state economy already?

It failed in MA? Did it get repealed?

Gee......you think Porky Limbaugh would LIE about something like that??!!!

 

[Immanuel]

My question is how many people work in the health insurance industry in Vermont and how many of them will be unemployed by the end of this year? Then, since the state does not actually have to begin funding it until 2013, how many of those insurance industry workers will be unemployed by the end of 2012?

Immie

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Ok, and if it fails like it did in Mass. Who will you blame? You seem fully prepared to blame the GOP already for things you think they will do.

Personnally I hope it makes it. And it spreads to other states if they so choose to. But right now, it's a cancer. It's a failed idea that has spread.

So why are all of you cheering an idea that has failed and killed one state economy already?

It failed in MA? Did it get repealed?

It dragged thier economy into the toilet.

No idea if they woke up and dumped it.

"The state's Secretary of Health and Human Services, JudyAnn Bigby, said, “Massachusetts' achievements in health care reform have been nothing short of extraordinary. With employers, government and individuals all sharing the responsibility of reform, we continue to have the highest insurance rate in the nation.”

Massachusetts Health Care Reform​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The fleebaggers are cowards and thieves that should be mocked and recalled.

But it won't happen.

Let me explain what you just said means to me;

EriktheRed is happy that cowards and thieves won't face any kind of justice so that they can continue to make things worse and to hell with democracy b/c elections only matter when we win.



You are supporting evil and injustice for all.

....And, people-like-you are bound & determined to find SOME way of exterminating people who don't look just-like-you.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

True, but given how big the issue of healthcare is right now, it'll shine a brighter spotlight on their hypocrisy.

Why?

This is a state. This falls squarely under states rights.

fyi; Conservatives fukkin LOVE states rights.

I love states rights. There is no force here . if A person doesn't want to participate, they can move to another state. I also think the program will fail. No such thing as a free lunch. The people most likely to move are the ones forced to pay for it.

.....Just like Massachusetts.....right????

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It dragged thier economy into the toilet.

No idea if they woke up and dumped it.

lol no it didn't. Stop making up bullshit. the housing market and the failures of wallstreets caused Mass economy to collapse.

But good on you to pass the buck to their healthcare system for being the real reason.

What a joke

Massachusetts health care reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The reduced state payments anticipated that by reducing the number of uninsured people Commonwealth Care would reduce the amount of charity care provided by hospitals.[36] In a subsequent story that same month the Globe reported that Commonwealth Care faced a short-term funding gap of $100 million and the need to obtain a new three-year funding commitment from the federal government of $1.5 billion.[37] By June 2011 enrollment is projected to grow to 342,000 people at an annual expense of $1.35 billion. The original projections were for the program to ultimately cover approximately 215,000 people at a cost of $725 million.[


During the week of April 5, 2010, the Boston Globe reported that more than a thousand people in Massachusetts had "gamed" the mandate/penalty provision of the law since implementation by choosing to be insured only a few months a year, typically when in need of a specific medical procedure. On the average, the Globe reported, these part-time enrolees were paying $1200–$1600 in premiums over a few months and receiving $10,000 or more in healthcare services before again dropping coverage


There's more if you want to do some searching on your own.

.....Like if you'd moved-down (a little-farther) and read:

Outcomes

LOL!!!!!!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

While other states are busy crushing unions, denying people healthcare, like Jan Brewer, which resulted in the deaths of two people and cutting taxes on the rich (Can we guess what party or ideology these people embrace), Vermont actually took up Obama's challenge and went with single payer.

About fucking time.

Vt. House Passes Single-Payer Health Care Bill - News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh

MONTPELIER, Vt. -- After hours of debate, the Vermont House of Representatives approved a bill that would create a single-payer health care system in Vermont.

It passed 92-49. In a meeting right after the vote, the house speaker, the governor and others who worked on the bill called it a historic moment for Vermont.

"Become the first state in the country to make the first substantive step to deliver a health care system where health care will be a right and not a privilege," said Gov. Peter Shumlin.

First stupid state to go socialist. If you think that is a good thing you are an idiot, health care is not a right. I wish the socialist would leave well enough alone and move to lets say, russia.....

.....Just like Massachusetts.....right????

 

[Sallow]

While other states are busy crushing unions, denying people healthcare, like Jan Brewer, which resulted in the deaths of two people and cutting taxes on the rich (Can we guess what party or ideology these people embrace), Vermont actually took up Obama's challenge and went with single payer.

About fucking time.

Vt. House Passes Single-Payer Health Care Bill - News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh

MONTPELIER, Vt. -- After hours of debate, the Vermont House of Representatives approved a bill that would create a single-payer health care system in Vermont.

It passed 92-49. In a meeting right after the vote, the house speaker, the governor and others who worked on the bill called it a historic moment for Vermont.

"Become the first state in the country to make the first substantive step to deliver a health care system where health care will be a right and not a privilege," said Gov. Peter Shumlin.

The question is will you be the first on your side to finally admit you are a Marxist?

What kind of fucking stupid question is that?

I've owned a business..and I now work for the financial industry. I fully support to Capitalistic system..soup to nuts.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I love this. Thanks, Sallow.

I do too.

I actually love this country and it's people. I don't want to see them die prematurely and miserable.

You just want a socialist country.

.....Just like Massachusetts.....right????

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

[Ok, and if it fails like it did in Mass. Who will you blame? You seem fully prepared to blame the GOP already for things you think they will do.

Personnally I hope it makes it. And it spreads to other states if they so choose to. But right now, it's a cancer. It's a failed idea that has spread.

So why are all of you cheering an idea that has failed and killed one state economy already?

Massachusetts doesn't have a single payer system, but I do agree with you. Vermont will eventually end up repealing this because it will become too expensive and the quality of health care delivered will decline.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It dragged thier economy into the toilet.

No idea if they woke up and dumped it.

lol no it didn't. Stop making up bullshit. the housing market and the failures of wallstreets caused Mass economy to collapse.

But good on you to pass the buck to their healthcare system for being the real reason.

What a joke

The housing market was a dimwit failure.

....So, the dimwit was who......

.....McBush or Gramm????

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