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Why?
This is a state. This falls squarely under states rights.
fyi; Conservatives fukkin LOVE states rights.
Yeah, that's what they say, anyway. This'll likely put that view to the test. Let's see if they can leave Vermont alone and not try to undermine their efforts.
And lets see if the people of Vermont can leave other states alone when they buracracy of a single payer system tells them they have to wait 4 weeks for a CAT scan, or how many doctors leave vermont when the state gets to set compensation rates (with no appeal of course)
President Obama Challenges states to come up with better plan: Vermont does.
President Obama Challenges states to come up with better plan: Vermont does.
It's all smoke and mirrors. It sounds like Obama is finally acknowledging that ObamaCare is unworkable, but he's not. He's not lifting the burdensome federal requirements. All he's doing is proposing to move up the date on which states can apply for federal permission to impose a different but equivalent plan to expand health insurance coverage. States can "opt out" of ObamaCare's individual mandate if they cover as many people, with as many benefits, and as many government subsidies, as ObamaCare would.
What's sad is that federal laws are responsible for much of the increases in health care costs, and yet the government is going to come in and save the day! Now ObamaCare forces people to buy expensive health insurance. (Didn't see that coming!) Let's just throw Liberty out the window, eh?
Yeah, that's what they say, anyway. This'll likely put that view to the test. Let's see if they can leave Vermont alone and not try to undermine their efforts.
Ok, and if it fails like it did in Mass. Who will you blame? You seem fully prepared to blame the GOP already for things you think they will do.
Personnally I hope it makes it. And it spreads to other states if they so choose to. But right now, it's a cancer. It's a failed idea that has spread.
So why are all of you cheering an idea that has failed and killed one state economy already?
It's nothing like the Massachusetts plan, and the Mass plan didn't fail.
‘RomneyCare’ Facts and Falsehoods | FactCheck.org
Yeah, that's what they say, anyway. This'll likely put that view to the test. Let's see if they can leave Vermont alone and not try to undermine their efforts.
And lets see if the people of Vermont can leave other states alone when they buracracy of a single payer system tells them they have to wait 4 weeks for a CAT scan, or how many doctors leave vermont when the state gets to set compensation rates (with no appeal of course)
As usual, you people are quick to project something that may not happen at all. How many doctors flee to the United States from the UK just so they can collect higher fees? Some doctors actually still remain faithful to their doctrine: First do no harm. Just because many have an [unframed] doctrine of First Collect Lotsa Money, doesn't mean they're all greedy bastards.
President Obama Challenges states to come up with better plan: Vermont does.
It's all smoke and mirrors. It sounds like Obama is finally acknowledging that ObamaCare is unworkable, but he's not. He's not lifting the burdensome federal requirements. All he's doing is proposing to move up the date on which states can apply for federal permission to impose a different but equivalent plan to expand health insurance coverage. States can "opt out" of ObamaCare's individual mandate if they cover as many people, with as many benefits, and as many government subsidies, as ObamaCare would.
What's sad is that federal laws are responsible for much of the increases in health care costs, and yet the government is going to come in and save the day! Now ObamaCare forces people to buy expensive health insurance. (Didn't see that coming!) Let's just throw Liberty out the window, eh?
No they are not.
What's responsible for health care increases..actually has absolutely nothing to do with Health Care. HMOs went public..that was the first thing that screwed things up. Because then the focus becomes profit as opposed to providing care. So HMOs start doing things like authorizing needless testing on healthy people..and kicking sick people out of the plan. The second thing that happened was HMOs started playing the market with the profits. The downturn..and profit loss was passed on to customers.
It's all smoke and mirrors. It sounds like Obama is finally acknowledging that ObamaCare is unworkable, but he's not. He's not lifting the burdensome federal requirements. All he's doing is proposing to move up the date on which states can apply for federal permission to impose a different but equivalent plan to expand health insurance coverage. States can "opt out" of ObamaCare's individual mandate if they cover as many people, with as many benefits, and as many government subsidies, as ObamaCare would.
What's sad is that federal laws are responsible for much of the increases in health care costs, and yet the government is going to come in and save the day! Now ObamaCare forces people to buy expensive health insurance. (Didn't see that coming!) Let's just throw Liberty out the window, eh?
No they are not.
What's responsible for health care increases..actually has absolutely nothing to do with Health Care. HMOs went public..that was the first thing that screwed things up. Because then the focus becomes profit as opposed to providing care. So HMOs start doing things like authorizing needless testing on healthy people..and kicking sick people out of the plan. The second thing that happened was HMOs started playing the market with the profits. The downturn..and profit loss was passed on to customers.
Thanks for making my point. HMOs did not arise because of free-market demand, but rather because of government mandates.
--> The present system was imposed upon the American people by federal law.
No they are not.
What's responsible for health care increases..actually has absolutely nothing to do with Health Care. HMOs went public..that was the first thing that screwed things up. Because then the focus becomes profit as opposed to providing care. So HMOs start doing things like authorizing needless testing on healthy people..and kicking sick people out of the plan. The second thing that happened was HMOs started playing the market with the profits. The downturn..and profit loss was passed on to customers.
Thanks for making my point. HMOs did not arise because of free-market demand, but rather because of government mandates.
--> The present system was imposed upon the American people by federal law.
Doesn't make your point at all. Initially Nixon was going to require that all American corporations provide healthcare to their employees. The HMO idea was one brought by "free marketeers" and they pointed out that there would be a profit motive that would make them viable.
What we have now is something that cannot be sustained. One of the biggest causes of bankruptcy in this country is catastrophic illness. Add in emergency room care is an extreme expense to tax payers. I, for one, don't agree with Obamacare/Romneycare. It should be single payer. But it's far better then what we had before.
No they are not.
What's responsible for health care increases..actually has absolutely nothing to do with Health Care. HMOs went public..that was the first thing that screwed things up. Because then the focus becomes profit as opposed to providing care. So HMOs start doing things like authorizing needless testing on healthy people..and kicking sick people out of the plan. The second thing that happened was HMOs started playing the market with the profits. The downturn..and profit loss was passed on to customers.
Thanks for making my point. HMOs did not arise because of free-market demand, but rather because of government mandates.
--> The present system was imposed upon the American people by federal law.
Doesn't make your point at all. Initially Nixon was going to require that all American corporations provide healthcare to their employees. The HMO idea was one brought by "free marketeers" and they pointed out that there would be a profit motive that would make them viable.
What we have now is something that cannot be sustained. One of the biggest causes of bankruptcy in this country is catastrophic illness. Add in emergency room care is an extreme expense to tax payers. I, for one, don't agree with Obamacare/Romneycare. It should be single payer. But it's far better then what we had before.
Why?
This is a state. This falls squarely under states rights.
fyi; Conservatives fukkin LOVE states rights.
Yeah, that's what they say, anyway. This'll likely put that view to the test. Let's see if they can leave Vermont alone and not try to undermine their efforts.
And lets see if the people of Vermont can leave other states alone when they buracracy of a single payer system tells them they have to wait 4 weeks for a CAT scan, or how many doctors leave vermont when the state gets to set compensation rates (with no appeal of course)
First stupid state to go socialist. If you think that is a good thing you are an idiot, health care is not a right. I wish the socialist would leave well enough alone and move to lets say, russia if they don't like it here, idiots.While other states are busy crushing unions, denying people healthcare, like Jan Brewer, which resulted in the deaths of two people and cutting taxes on the rich (Can we guess what party or ideology these people embrace), Vermont actually took up Obama's challenge and went with single payer.
About fucking time.
Vt. House Passes Single-Payer Health Care Bill - News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh
MONTPELIER, Vt. -- After hours of debate, the Vermont House of Representatives approved a bill that would create a single-payer health care system in Vermont.
It passed 92-49. In a meeting right after the vote, the house speaker, the governor and others who worked on the bill called it a historic moment for Vermont.
"Become the first state in the country to make the first substantive step to deliver a health care system where health care will be a right and not a privilege," said Gov. Peter Shumlin.
You just want a socialist country. Leave please.I love this. Thanks, Sallow.
I do too.
I actually love this country and it's people. I don't want to see them die prematurely and miserable.
Massachusetts health care reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedialol no it didn't. Stop making up bullshit. the housing market and the failures of wallstreets caused Mass economy to collapse.
But good on you to pass the buck to their healthcare system for being the real reason.
What a joke
The reduced state payments anticipated that by reducing the number of uninsured people Commonwealth Care would reduce the amount of charity care provided by hospitals.[36] In a subsequent story that same month the Globe reported that Commonwealth Care faced a short-term funding gap of $100 million and the need to obtain a new three-year funding commitment from the federal government of $1.5 billion.[37] By June 2011 enrollment is projected to grow to 342,000 people at an annual expense of $1.35 billion. The original projections were for the program to ultimately cover approximately 215,000 people at a cost of $725 million.[
During the week of April 5, 2010, the Boston Globe reported that more than a thousand people in Massachusetts had "gamed" the mandate/penalty provision of the law since implementation by choosing to be insured only a few months a year, typically when in need of a specific medical procedure. On the average, the Globe reported, these part-time enrolees were paying $1200$1600 in premiums over a few months and receiving $10,000 or more in healthcare services before again dropping coverage
There's more if you want to do some searching on your own......Like if you'd moved-down (a little-farther) and read:
Outcomes
LOL!!!!!!
The housing market was a dimwit failure. Keep arguing it makes great entertainment.lol no it didn't. Stop making up bullshit. the housing market and the failures of wallstreets caused Mass economy to collapse.It dragged thier economy into the toilet.
No idea if they woke up and dumped it.
But good on you to pass the buck to their healthcare system for being the real reason.
What a joke
Massachusetts health care reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The reduced state payments anticipated that by reducing the number of uninsured people Commonwealth Care would reduce the amount of charity care provided by hospitals.[36] In a subsequent story that same month the Globe reported that Commonwealth Care faced a short-term funding gap of $100 million and the need to obtain a new three-year funding commitment from the federal government of $1.5 billion.[37] By June 2011 enrollment is projected to grow to 342,000 people at an annual expense of $1.35 billion. The original projections were for the program to ultimately cover approximately 215,000 people at a cost of $725 million.[
During the week of April 5, 2010, the Boston Globe reported that more than a thousand people in Massachusetts had "gamed" the mandate/penalty provision of the law since implementation by choosing to be insured only a few months a year, typically when in need of a specific medical procedure. On the average, the Globe reported, these part-time enrolees were paying $1200–$1600 in premiums over a few months and receiving $10,000 or more in healthcare services before again dropping coverage
There's more if you want to do some searching on your own......Like if you'd moved-down (a little-farther) and read:
Outcomes
LOL!!!!!!
Do you have to write your posts like that..?
If solving the health care COST crisis means calling me a Marxist, then be my guest. I prefer to believe that the framers had in mind the inclusion of health of its citizens when it used the words "...promote the general welfare..." After all, what are people without their health?
It's nothing like the Massachusetts plan, and the Mass plan didn't fail.
RomneyCare Facts and Falsehoods | FactCheck.org
My question is how many people work in the health insurance industry in Vermont and how many of them will be unemployed by the end of this year? Then, since the state does not actually have to begin funding it until 2013, how many of those insurance industry workers will be unemployed by the end of 2012?
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