President Obama Challenges states to come up with better plan: Vermont does.

[Dr.House]

Good for VT...

It's a state with a total population less than most counties in NJ... What (may) work for them is not necessarily the best for others...

What happens in VT should stay in VT....

Just sayin'...

 

[EriktheRed]

Ok, and if it fails like it did in Mass. Who will you blame? You seem fully prepared to blame the GOP already for things you think they will do.

Personnally I hope it makes it. And it spreads to other states if they so choose to. But right now, it's a cancer. It's a failed idea that has spread.

So why are all of you cheering an idea that has failed and killed one state economy already?

It failed in MA? Did it get repealed?

It dragged thier economy into the toilet.

No idea if they woke up and dumped it.

I haven't looked it up, but last I heard it's still popular there.

 

[del]

True, but given how big the issue of healthcare is right now, it'll shine a brighter spotlight on their hypocrisy.

Why?

This is a state. This falls squarely under states rights.

fyi; Conservatives fukkin LOVE states rights.

Yeah, that's what they say, anyway. This'll likely put that view to the test. Let's see if they can leave Vermont alone and not try to undermine their efforts.

and how would they do that?

move en masse to vermont?

 

[8537]

Well here's hoping it doesn't break the state like it did Mass.

Just wondering. What's thier ranking economically?

As of 2008, our per capita income was 21st out of 50 (or 57 )

 

[Two Thumbs]

Maybe that wingnut group in Utah, which has been working on trying to get the "fleebaggers" recalled, will send volunteers out to Vermont to try and get a repeal drive going.

The fleebaggers are cowards and thieves that should be mocked and recalled.

But it won't happen.

Let me explain what you just said means to me;

EriktheRed is happy that cowards and thieves won't face any kind of justice so that they can continue to make things worse and to hell with democracy b/c elections only matter when we win.



You are supporting evil and injustice for all.

 

[8537]

Why?

This is a state. This falls squarely under states rights.

fyi; Conservatives fukkin LOVE states rights.

Yeah, that's what they say, anyway. This'll likely put that view to the test. Let's see if they can leave Vermont alone and not try to undermine their efforts.

And lets see if the people of Vermont can leave other states alone when they buracracy of a single payer system tells them they have to wait 4 weeks for a CAT scan, or how many doctors leave vermont when the state gets to set compensation rates (with no appeal of course)

lol.

 

[Mr Liberty]

you didnt need this issue to make them be hypocrites on the tenth.

True, but given how big the issue of healthcare is right now, it'll shine a brighter spotlight on their hypocrisy.

Why?

This is a state. This falls squarely under states rights.

fyi; Conservatives fukkin LOVE states rights.

I love states rights. There is no force here . if A person doesn't want to participate, they can move to another state. I also think the program will fail. No such thing as a free lunch. The people most likely to move are the ones forced to pay for it.

 

[Douger]

Bernie Sanders.
Them thar Vermontians are smart when they vote.
These are the kinds of folks that need to be supported.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE4-nmR3fiM]YouTube - Ralph Nader "Ron Paul & Bernie Sanders Have Teamed Up To Go After The Military Budget"[/ame]

 

[Greenbeard]

Massachusetts doesn't have a single-payer system.

If Vermont moves forward with this, it will be the first state in the nation to do so (California came close twice, but both times the single-payer bill was vetoed by Governor Schwarzenegger).

 

[Two Thumbs]

It failed in MA? Did it get repealed?

It dragged thier economy into the toilet.

No idea if they woke up and dumped it.

lol no it didn't. Stop making up bullshit. the housing market and the failures of wallstreets caused Mass economy to collapse.

But good on you to pass the buck to their healthcare system for being the real reason.

What a joke

Massachusetts health care reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The reduced state payments anticipated that by reducing the number of uninsured people Commonwealth Care would reduce the amount of charity care provided by hospitals.[36] In a subsequent story that same month the Globe reported that Commonwealth Care faced a short-term funding gap of $100 million and the need to obtain a new three-year funding commitment from the federal government of $1.5 billion.[37] By June 2011 enrollment is projected to grow to 342,000 people at an annual expense of $1.35 billion. The original projections were for the program to ultimately cover approximately 215,000 people at a cost of $725 million.[


During the week of April 5, 2010, the Boston Globe reported that more than a thousand people in Massachusetts had "gamed" the mandate/penalty provision of the law since implementation by choosing to be insured only a few months a year, typically when in need of a specific medical procedure. On the average, the Globe reported, these part-time enrolees were paying $1200–$1600 in premiums over a few months and receiving $10,000 or more in healthcare services before again dropping coverage


PNHP: Massachusetts healthcare system a failure | Healthcare Finance News

WASHINGTON – The Massachusetts healthcare system, widely regarded as an example of how to provide universal coverage and keep costs low, is faltering badly and should not be held up as a national model for reform, according to a study released by Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP) and Public Citizen.

PNHP's study found that the state's 2006 reforms, instead of reducing costs, have been more expensive. The budget overruns have forced the state to siphon about $150 million from safety-net providers such as public hospitals and community clinics.

Many low-income residents who used to receive free care now face co-payments, premiums and deductibles under the new system - financial burdens that prevent many from receiving necessary medical treatment, the study said. Since the state's reforms passed, premiums under the state insurance program have increased 9.4 percent. The study found that a middle-income person on the cheapest available state plan could end up paying $9,872 in premiums, deductibles and co-insurance for the year.



There's more if you want to do some searching on your own.

But you are correct, to keep the state economy from tanking, they borrowed $1.5 billion.

Good thing I don't mind paying for other peoples fuck ups.

 

[AmericanFirst]

While other states are busy crushing unions, denying people healthcare, like Jan Brewer, which resulted in the deaths of two people and cutting taxes on the rich (Can we guess what party or ideology these people embrace), Vermont actually took up Obama's challenge and went with single payer.

About fucking time.

Vt. House Passes Single-Payer Health Care Bill - News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh

MONTPELIER, Vt. -- After hours of debate, the Vermont House of Representatives approved a bill that would create a single-payer health care system in Vermont.

It passed 92-49. In a meeting right after the vote, the house speaker, the governor and others who worked on the bill called it a historic moment for Vermont.

"Become the first state in the country to make the first substantive step to deliver a health care system where health care will be a right and not a privilege," said Gov. Peter Shumlin.

First stupid state to go socialist. If you think that is a good thing you are an idiot, health care is not a right. I wish the socialist would leave well enough alone and move to lets say, russia if they don't like it here, idiots.

 

[AmericanFirst]

While other states are busy crushing unions, denying people healthcare, like Jan Brewer, which resulted in the deaths of two people and cutting taxes on the rich (Can we guess what party or ideology these people embrace), Vermont actually took up Obama's challenge and went with single payer.

About fucking time.

Vt. House Passes Single-Payer Health Care Bill - News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh

I love this. Thanks, Sallow.

I do too.

I actually love this country and it's people. I don't want to see them die prematurely and miserable.

You just want a socialist country. Leave please.

 

[Greenbeard]

Because it bears repeating:

Massachusetts doesn't have a single-payer system.

If Vermont moves forward with this, it will be the first state in the nation to do so (California came close twice, but both times the single-payer bill was vetoed by Governor Schwarzenegger).

PNHP: Massachusetts healthcare system a failure | Healthcare Finance News

The irony here is that PNHP is a single-payer advocacy group. Their purpose in issuing reports/studies like that is to push Massachusetts toward doing exactly what Vermont is on the verge of doing: implementing a single-payer system.

 

[AmericanFirst]

It failed in MA? Did it get repealed?

It dragged thier economy into the toilet.

No idea if they woke up and dumped it.

lol no it didn't. Stop making up bullshit. the housing market and the failures of wallstreets caused Mass economy to collapse.

But good on you to pass the buck to their healthcare system for being the real reason.

What a joke

The housing market was a dimwit failure. Keep arguing it makes great entertainment.

 

[EriktheRed]

The fleebaggers are cowards and thieves that should be mocked and recalled.

But it won't happen.

Let me explain what you just said means to me;

EriktheRed is happy that cowards and thieves won't face any kind of justice so that they can continue to make things worse and to hell with democracy b/c elections only matter when we win.



You are supporting evil and injustice for all.

Now when did I say I didn't support repeal efforts against Gov. Walker and the 8 eleigible Wis GOP senators?

 

[EriktheRed]

I love this. Thanks, Sallow.

I do too.

I actually love this country and it's people. I don't want to see them die prematurely and miserable.

You just want a socialist country. Leave please.

I think I speak for both of us when I say this:


No.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

While other states are busy crushing unions, denying people healthcare, like Jan Brewer, which resulted in the deaths of two people and cutting taxes on the rich (Can we guess what party or ideology these people embrace), Vermont actually took up Obama's challenge and went with single payer.

About fucking time.

Vt. House Passes Single-Payer Health Care Bill - News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh

MONTPELIER, Vt. -- After hours of debate, the Vermont House of Representatives approved a bill that would create a single-payer health care system in Vermont.

It passed 92-49. In a meeting right after the vote, the house speaker, the governor and others who worked on the bill called it a historic moment for Vermont.

"Become the first state in the country to make the first substantive step to deliver a health care system where health care will be a right and not a privilege," said Gov. Peter Shumlin.

Ya' need to help-out the 'Baggers, when things like this occur:​

Single-payer health care: A system of health care characterized by universal and comprehensive coverage. Single-payer health care is similar to the health services provided by Medicare in the US. The government pays for care that is delivered in the private (mostly not-for-profit) sector. Doctors are in private practice and are paid on a fee-for-service basis from government funds. The government does not own or manage their medical practices or hospitals.

Single-payer health care is distinct and different from socialized medicine in which doctors and hospitals work for and draw salaries from the government.

MedicineNet.com​

 

[Two Thumbs]

But it won't happen.

Let me explain what you just said means to me;

EriktheRed is happy that cowards and thieves won't face any kind of justice so that they can continue to make things worse and to hell with democracy b/c elections only matter when we win.



You are supporting evil and injustice for all.

Now when did I say I didn't support repeal efforts against Gov. Walker and the 8 eleigible Wis GOP senators?

Walker toughed it out under incredible flak.

The fleebaggers and those that support them are nothing.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

While other states are busy crushing unions, denying people healthcare, like Jan Brewer, which resulted in the deaths of two people and cutting taxes on the rich (Can we guess what party or ideology these people embrace), Vermont actually took up Obama's challenge and went with single payer.

About fucking time.

Vt. House Passes Single-Payer Health Care Bill - News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh

MONTPELIER, Vt. -- After hours of debate, the Vermont House of Representatives approved a bill that would create a single-payer health care system in Vermont.

It passed 92-49. In a meeting right after the vote, the house speaker, the governor and others who worked on the bill called it a historic moment for Vermont.

"Become the first state in the country to make the first substantive step to deliver a health care system where health care will be a right and not a privilege," said Gov. Peter Shumlin.

Now watch:

There's going to be a huge national attempt to undermine and discredit this, which will show how a lot of these "tenther" Republicans are a bunch of hypocrites.

....Primarily by those folks who are HEAVILY-INVE$TED in health-care-insurance stocks.....you know...."real"-Americans.

 

[EriktheRed]

Let me explain what you just said means to me;

EriktheRed is happy that cowards and thieves won't face any kind of justice so that they can continue to make things worse and to hell with democracy b/c elections only matter when we win.



You are supporting evil and injustice for all.

Now when did I say I didn't support repeal efforts against Gov. Walker and the 8 eleigible Wis GOP senators?

Walker toughed it out under incredible flak.

The fleebaggers and those that support them are nothing.

You say tomato, blah blah blah....

I say the real crooks are the ones who got voted into power there and with any luck at least a few of them will lose their jobs this year while the crook in the Gov's mansion loses his next year.

In the meantime, the guys you call "cowards and thieves", who delayed this long enough to help give the people of their state (as well as the rest of the country) a good look at what was going on, are very unlikely to get recalled.