Poll: FDR # 1 President

[rightwinger]

You are part way there. Also post the % of Dem and Pub that voted for and against by GEOGRAPHICAL districts. You will then realize that the division was not political or ideological but regional. The GOP are to be recognized for the wonderful support they gave, but the legislation was Democratic in origin and push, and Johnson was the prime pusher.

Context, Foxfyre, context.

There is some evidence of that. And it is probable he just wanted a legacy nobody could take from him. The racist statements attributed to him during that period do raise questions for sure. But none of us are privy to his private thoughts or motives.

Vietnam is a pretty ugly part of his legacy though. And saying that he did more for civil rights than any other, that's also pretty tough to swallow for a serious historian. He did support and continue JFK's push for a Civil Rights Act and Johnson does get credit for setting the forces in motion to get it out of the Democratically controlled committee that did not want it to ever see the light of day.

The final vote on that act:
Senate:
Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

House:
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

But Johnson's Great Society has netted mixed reviews with some improvements noted and many many unintended negative consequences also noted. And there were some ethics that were definitely questionable.

The same could be said of FDR. Some good stuff came out of his long tenure as President and some stuff that has netted unintended negative consequences. There is no doubt about it that he did try to get around Constitutional restraints by trying to pack the Supreme Court with people who would circumvent it, and pulled some other strings that even by today's standards stretched ethics to the maximum. But basically, he was a good man. Not America's greatest by a long stretch. But a good man.

Ike passed the first Civil Rights Legislation, Ike sent in 82nd Airborne to integrate Democrat schools.

You continue to be a tool for Dem propaganda.

And which Southern State did Ike represent?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ike went into Little Rock because Orville Faubus double crossed him. Understand that OF was double crossed by the white leadership in town. OF put the NG at the school to keep the black students out. DE nationalized the Arkansas NG into federal service, so that active Army officers would be issued orders to it, and he sent in the airborne soldiers to back off the white civilians.

CF is forgetting to tell you about Harry Truman's integration of the Armed Forces, equal protection of minority workers in federal service in DC and across the South, and that the southern wing of the Democrat Party and the southern Republicans all hated him.

Yes, it was a geographical issue, not a party one.

 

[Trajan]

Why does helping Americans have to end?

Because Socialism has failed everywhere its been tried with California and Illinois being the two most recent examples.

After 45 years, it's really not help anymore, is it?

After 45 years you are no longer helping the same people...we have a whole new set of people in poverty

Providing education and job skills to people struggling to survive is not socialism, it is common sense and common decency

when the gov. gets around to providing those items, you be sure and let me know RW, thank you sir, since we know the social policies of the 60's didn't do it, it actually created another 10% of unfortunates ( called the urban underclass today ) on top of the usual 10% of the clueless whom will always be among us.

I am hard pressed to see how our failing educational institutions are making any difference at all or progress.....the trends are not up, they are flat or downward,
if one were to take into account additional money spent, that is federal dollars ( aside from a rise in individual State funding) injected into the system over the last 25 years, we have been horribly short charged on our investment.

 

[Trajan]

CF is forgetting to tell you about Harry Truman's integration of the Armed Forces, equal protection of minority workers in federal service in DC and across the South, and that the southern wing of the Democrat Party and the southern Republicans all hated him.

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yup, he reversed ole Woodrows racist, wasp administration. God for Harry, I am quite a harry fan.

 

[Oscar Wao]

FDR...#1?!

We are speaking of "best" in terms of poor performance, yes?

 

[rightwinger]

Lets see

1. FDR
2. Lincoln
3. Washington
4.Teddy Roosevelt
5. Jefferson
6. Truman
7. Jackson
8. Madison
9. Wilson
10. Reagan


Give it six more years and Obama will crack the top 10

 

[Trajan]

Lets see

1. FDR
2. Lincoln
3. Washington
4.Teddy Roosevelt
5. Jefferson
6. Truman
7. Jackson
8. Madison
9. Wilson
10. Reagan


Give it six more years and Obama will crack the top 10

you mean he'll be smoking it , not crackin' it....oh wait, he prefers powder, my bad.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Only in a country this stupid would people convince themselves that FDR was the greatest president ever.

 

[JakeStarkey]

R. C. just gave proof of how stupid he himself can be with that post.

 

[Liberty]

this poll alone proves that education in america has failed.

 

[Oddball]

Let's see...

1. FDR -- 400,000+ American boys and uncounted civilians killed....Really great...NOT!
2. Lincoln -- 500,000+ American boys and uncounted civilians killed & numerous cities burned to the ground...Really great...NOT!
3. Washington -- How did the father of our nation end up #3?
4.Teddy Roosevelt -- The prototype of the arrogant warmongering neocon.
5. Jefferson -- Author of the Declaration of Independence #5....Really??
6. Truman -- That the most unpopular president prior to George BOOOOSH! even makes the top 10 is really giving away the store as to the bias of the poll pool.
7. Jackson -- Meh...Reasonably deserving of the position.
8. Madison -- The principal author of the Constitution polls this far back in the pack...Really?
9. Wilson -- This proven racist & warmonger, who gave us the income tax and Federal Reserve, belongs on the list of ten worst, not best.
10. Reagan -- Grossly overrated. But not surprising, given that the poll respondents seem to be of the opinion that real history started in the T. Roosevelt administration.

 

[Gunny]

Siena poll names FDR as America?s best president - The Record News: Serving Troy and its surrounding communities (Troyrecord.com)

Excerpts:
FDR leads the pack for the fifth time since the survey’s 1982 inception, followed in order by Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. That top five has remained consistent throughout each of the five times the study has been performed, with only minor shuffling among their rankings.

There was also little movement among the bottom five presidents, though George W. Bush joined their ranks at number 39, dropping from his initial 23 ranking in 2002’s poll. At number 43, Andrew Johnson has been named our worst president for the second time in a row, followed by James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, Franklin Pierce and Bush.

Barack Obama entered the list at number 15,
Other recent presidents’ rankings include Bill Clinton at number 13, who moved up from the 18th slot in 2002, and George H.W. Bush holding steady at 22. Reagan dropped from 16 to 18.

Tells you voted in this poll. FDR was a commie.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Siena poll names FDR as America?s best president - The Record News: Serving Troy and its surrounding communities (Troyrecord.com)

Excerpts:
FDR leads the pack for the fifth time since the survey’s 1982 inception, followed in order by Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. That top five has remained consistent throughout each of the five times the study has been performed, with only minor shuffling among their rankings.

There was also little movement among the bottom five presidents, though George W. Bush joined their ranks at number 39, dropping from his initial 23 ranking in 2002’s poll. At number 43, Andrew Johnson has been named our worst president for the second time in a row, followed by James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, Franklin Pierce and Bush.

Barack Obama entered the list at number 15,
Other recent presidents’ rankings include Bill Clinton at number 13, who moved up from the 18th slot in 2002, and George H.W. Bush holding steady at 22. Reagan dropped from 16 to 18.

Tells you voted in this poll. FDR was a commie.

And you are a bozo with that post.

 

[R.C. Christian]

R. C. just gave proof of how stupid he himself can be with that post.

Looks like I hit a nerve.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Coming in at number 2, the great puppet of the English Empire, Teddy R!

 

[JakeStarkey]

R. C. just gave proof of how stupid he himself can be with that post.

Looks like I hit a nerve.

Yep, the tickle bone. What a goof. Keep posting, though, you are like daveman and Fits, good for grins and chuckles.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Now Jake, tell us, just which part of good ole FDR did you like the most? Was it throwing the japs in camps and taking their property? Or perhaps that big social security check extortion scheme that I, for example, will never see a penny of? That gold grab was pretty cool too huh?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Got issues, do ya, R. C.? Take them up with your shrink.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Now Jake, tell us, just which part of good ole FDR did you like the most? Was it throwing the japs in camps and taking their property? Or perhaps that big social security check extortion scheme that I, for example, will never see a penny of? That gold grab was pretty cool too huh?

Jake's a Republican. Really. He's trying to bring the rest of us to our senses.

He admires FDR and LBJ and big government social programs because that's what Republicans do and have always done.

 

[skookerasbil]

Nobody cares about FDR