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Biden- 3 Truths 1 False
Ryan- 1 Truth 3 False
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-vice-presidential-debate-between-joe/
Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:
Update - Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan." Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.
10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All of that is true.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...-Top-Ten-Worst-Lies-by-Joe-Biden-in-VP-Debate
Biden- 3 Truths 1 False
Ryan- 1 Truth 3 False
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-vice-presidential-debate-between-joe/
I knew that was coming, attack the messenger and not try to argue the message.
All this tells me is that everything on that page is true.
EDIT: a person with an IQ of 5 comes up to you and hands you a piece of paper. On that piece of paper is written 2+2=4. You read it and say, "This isn't right, the person who handed me the piece of paper has an IQ of 5". So you dismiss it and wait for someone else to tell you it's true.
Biden- 3 Truths 1 False
Ryan- 1 Truth 3 False
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-vice-presidential-debate-between-joe/
Biden did what he had to do, and succeeded.
The right can whine about the VP being rude and arrogant, but Biden succeeded in setting the stage for Obama and the second debate, a theme the president will need to maintain, and a clear challenge to the president to be more aggressive.
Biden- 3 Truths 1 False
Ryan- 1 Truth 3 False
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-vice-presidential-debate-between-joe/
Biden- 3 Truths 1 False
Ryan- 1 Truth 3 False
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-vice-presidential-debate-between-joe/
No scorecard needed, anybody who watched saw Ryan collapse. The media is working hard to praise his "style", his nose didn't knock the moderator off her chair. That is the best you can say about Ryan last night, that child looked like he needed his diapers changed.
Biden- 3 Truths 1 False
Ryan- 1 Truth 3 False
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-vice-presidential-debate-between-joe/
Color me skeptical.
Ryan said Biden went to China and said he "sympathized with and understood the one child policy." Politifact says Biden went to China and "understands wand would not second guess the one child policy." They rate Ryan's statement Mostly False.
Ryan says that Canada's tax rate is 15% and that the average rate in the world is 25%, Politifact confirms both of these numbers, and rates the statement Mostly False.
Ryan says "They passed the stimulus. The idea that we could borrow $831 billion, spend it on all of these special interest groups, and that it would work out just fine, that unemployment would never get to 8 percent -- it went up above 8 percent for 43 months. They said that, right now, if we just passed this stimulus, the economy would grow at 4 percent. It's growing at 1.3." Politifact agrees that this projection was made by administration officials, and then claims Ryan said Obama promised it in order to rate it Mostly False.
Gotta admit, that sounds reasonable to anyone who can't think.
Let's take a closer look at the Brietbart lie claims, shall we?Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:
Update - Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan." Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.
Biden explained what "lyin Ryan" was saying on all of these, so no lie here.10. "With all due respect, thats a bunch of malarkey....not a single thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All of that is true.
Who is the one claiming they only met "several" times? Were they part of the meetings? Biden was! Do you expect us to believe someone who "wasn't present" over someone who "was"? No lie here.9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically, Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.
This is a total farce and a grade-school attempt at a mis-direction play. No fuckin' lie here.8. "Just let the taxes expire like theyre supposed to on those millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of small business jobs.
They're talking about the same thing. No lie here.7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare proposes a board to impose cost controls.
Ryan did try to cut the embassy budget by $300 million. No lie here.6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.
No smoking gun has been shown to prove this allegation. Definately no lie here.5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran, causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East. Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not stopping its nuclear program.
The right has been trying to force a theology on the country since the beginning of time, no lie here.4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact, and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie. The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies. That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
Biden did vote "eye" for the war. So yes, this is a Biden lie.3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts. But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
Both of them need to leave Medicare alone. No comment here.2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare. As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.
This is still questionable. To close to call.1. "Well, we werent told they wanted more security again." Biden lied through his teeth about the fact that the administration--specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described his frustration with having those requests turned down by the government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the building."
