Pipeline spills 176,000 gallons of crude into creek 150 miles from Standing Rock

[iceberg]

I was in the business for thirty years.
The media gets it wrong 60% of the time when it comes to actually identifying the real problem.
It's like the Deep water Horizon spill and the failure of the Blowout preventer.
It was obvious from the get go that was the culprit but it took the media forever to come to the proper conclusion.

I read the investigation report, was the blowout preventer faulty, or did the skewing of the inner pipe from the blowout cause a functioning blowout preventer to fail to shear the pipe and shut off the leak?

From what I heard they failed to use enough of the centering devices before pouring the concrete between the casing and the drill pipe causing it to shift which made the BOP inoperable
So it was a combination of errors.

Disasters are always a series of events, most things don't go bad over one item failing.

I also thought that a contributing factor was a bad job on the cement seal of the well prior to removing the drilling mud.

I have a degree in Chemical Engineering, but I do most of my work in Water/Wastewater treatment, so I can figure out things more than a civilian, but less than someone who works in the oil industry.

but at least you have an idea of what could have happened to cause it. most of us just go DAMN YOU GUYS SUCK!!! and never really understand why, or if our emotions are correctly placed.

most rightfully would be mad at the spill itself; but most unfortunately also blame the first group/person they think of.

People also have to realize that it is impossible to eliminate failure. The goal is to reduce the chance of occurance, and add layers of support that would also have to fail to lead to a catastrophic failure.

something unanticipated seems to always happen. it's just a lot more fun to hold others to standards we'd never wear.

 

[martybegan]

I read the investigation report, was the blowout preventer faulty, or did the skewing of the inner pipe from the blowout cause a functioning blowout preventer to fail to shear the pipe and shut off the leak?

From what I heard they failed to use enough of the centering devices before pouring the concrete between the casing and the drill pipe causing it to shift which made the BOP inoperable
So it was a combination of errors.

Disasters are always a series of events, most things don't go bad over one item failing.

I also thought that a contributing factor was a bad job on the cement seal of the well prior to removing the drilling mud.

I have a degree in Chemical Engineering, but I do most of my work in Water/Wastewater treatment, so I can figure out things more than a civilian, but less than someone who works in the oil industry.

but at least you have an idea of what could have happened to cause it. most of us just go DAMN YOU GUYS SUCK!!! and never really understand why, or if our emotions are correctly placed.

most rightfully would be mad at the spill itself; but most unfortunately also blame the first group/person they think of.

People also have to realize that it is impossible to eliminate failure. The goal is to reduce the chance of occurance, and add layers of support that would also have to fail to lead to a catastrophic failure.

something unanticipated seems to always happen. it's just a lot more fun to hold others to standards we'd never wear.

I think the show Air Disasters is a great introduction for people to learn about failure analysis, and see that in most cases, many things have to go wrong before you end up with a major incident.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There have been oil and gas pipelines in Ohio and Pennsylvania for 150 years, with no ill effects.

Neato! But this thread is about the Keystone XL pipeline.

And the lack of problems is in no small part due to the State's enforcement of its clean water laws. So you sound a bit daft to use the success of those efforts as a cudgel against those very efforts.

Do you also point at the reduced traffic accident deaths since the inception of seat belt laws as a reason we don't need seat belt laws?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Depends on the source. If the source is a deep aquifer there is a non permeable layer between the surface and the aquifer.

Okay. Why didn't you address the case of a surface lake, which is the topic at hand? Are you trying to be sneaky?

 

[initforme]

This is simple. The company simply pays out millions for fines and funds the clean up. Nobody is against this kind of common sense. They are indeed accountable for the mess and cleanup. Easy call. What's 10 or 20 million ?

 

[Ringel05]

Hope they don’t go on the warpath and start scalping innocent people.

What a stupid, racist comment.

And I got all dressed up for the occasion........

 

[initforme]

Hit the company where it hurts...the pocketbook and hit em hard

 

[martybegan]

Depends on the source. If the source is a deep aquifer there is a non permeable layer between the surface and the aquifer.

Okay. Why didn't you address the case of a surface lake, which is the topic at hand? Are you trying to be sneaky?

Since this happened in 2016 the lake is most likely already treated and cleaned. If you read some of my subsequent posts, I talked about surface water contamination vs. soil/groundwater contamination.

The company is responsible for the cleanup, which would be supervised by the State's department of Environmental Protection or Conservation.

 

[deanrd]

It’s in a red state so it’s OK. Republicans don’t have a problem with pollution.

 

[Rustic]

It’s in a red state so it’s OK. Republicans don’t have a problem with pollution.

 

[Markle]

They think republicans and whites made crude.

LOL

Agreed!

For the sole purpose of irritating Progressives.

 

[Pilot1]

Pipelines are the safest way to move petroleum products. They will remediate the spill. I'd rather have it moving like that than buy trains that derail, or trucks that crash. Plus it is a LOT less expensive. So stop wetting the beds, bed wetters.

 

[BWK]

100% predictable. So the Indians were right.


Pipeline spills 176,000 gallons of crude into creek about 150 miles from Dakota Access protest camp

A pipeline leak has spilled tens of thousands of gallons of crude oil into a North Dakota creek roughly two and a half hours from Cannon Ball, where protesters are camped out in opposition to the Dakota Access pipeline.

Members of the Standing Rock Sioux and other tribes, as well as environmentalists from around the country, have fought the pipeline project on the grounds that it crosses beneath a lake that provides drinking water to native Americans. They say the route beneath Lake Oahe puts the water source in jeopardy and would destroy sacred land.

North Dakota officials estimate more than 176,000 gallons of crude oil leaked from the Belle Fourche Pipeline into the Ash Coulee Creek. State environmental scientist Bill Suess says a landowner discovered the spill on Dec. 5 near the city of Belfield, which is roughly 150 miles from the epicenter of the Dakota Access pipeline protest camps.

Republicans could care less.

 

[BWK]

It will be back to pristine within 6 months without assistance

But the ecosystem will not. Will it recover fully, before the next spill? Let's hope. It still hasn't, in the Gulf.

Republicans could give two shits.

 

[Pilot1]

Hit the company where it hurts...the pocketbook and hit em hard

There are thousands of environmental regulations. The company will be fined, penalized and made to pay all remediation costs. I don't know any Republicans that are against this type of requirement for companies that have environmental spills. All hyperbole all the time from the Left.

 

[BWK]

This is simple. The company simply pays out millions for fines and funds the clean up. Nobody is against this kind of common sense. They are indeed accountable for the mess and cleanup. Easy call. What's 10 or 20 million ?

Common sense would be for it not to happen to begin with, but money and profit trump common sense.

 

[BWK]

Hope they don’t go on the warpath and start scalping innocent people.

What a stupid, racist comment.

Why is it racist, isn't that what Indians do?

Not anymore. The racist whites put a stop to it.

 

[Markle]

Republicans could care less.

Republicans could give two shits.

Share with us, if you will, why you find it necessary to repeat a stupid comment?

 

[BWK]

Republicans could care less.

Republicans could give two shits.

Share with us, if you will, why you find it necessary to repeat a stupid comment?

Defending oil companies over clean drinking water is stupid. Would you care to hear that twice as well? Exactly, you wouldn't, because Republicans not giving a shit is dumber than carrying about clean water.

 

[Polishprince]

Republicans could care less.

Republicans could give two shits.

Share with us, if you will, why you find it necessary to repeat a stupid comment?

Defending oil companies over clean drinking water is stupid. Would you care to hear that twice as well? Exactly, you wouldn't, because Republicans not giving a shit is dumber than carrying about clean water.

No matter how oil in transported, by ship, rail, truck or pipeline, there will be occasional accidents. Shit happens, BWK.

And in actuality, pipelines are statistically the safest as well as the least expensive overall method to transport the oil from where it is, to where it needs to be.

The REAL story with opposition to the Keystone pipeline was that it was orchestrated by Socialist Billionaire Warren Buffett. Mr. Buffett owns the trains and trucks that were transporting the Texas Tea across the fruited plain. The pipeline cut Buffett out of the loop. Actually, it was a replay of the first oil pipelines back in the day. JD Rockefeller felt he was being taken to the cleaners by the Vanderbilts and other railroad tycoons to transport his black gold, so he built the first pipelines to knock them out of the loop.