OMG -- Jews Aren't Responsible?

[PoliticalChic]

Does this mean that the Arabs are, maybe a little, just possibly responsible for the plight of the Palestinians?

How would Nonie Darwish know? Just because she lived it?

"This policy of forcing a Palestinian identity on these people for eternity and condemning them to a miserable life in a refugee camp was designed to perpetuate and exacerbate the Palestinian refugee crisis.

So was the Arab policy of overpopulating Gaza. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, whose main political support comes from Arab countries, encourages high birth rates by rewarding families with many children. Yasser Arafat said the Palestinian woman's womb was his best weapon."

An Arab-Made Misery - WSJ.com

 

[Kalam]

Who has argued that Israel is completely responsible for the plight of the Palestinians? Portions of blame lie with multiple other countries, some Arab, some non-Arab. However, the article seems like little more than an attempt to justify Israel's poor treatment of Palestinians ("they do it, too!")

Israel created the refugees. Israel herded those refugees into Gaza and the West Bank. Israel continuously encroaches upon territory that isn't rightfully theirs by building and expanding settlements in the West Bank. Israel (and Egypt, to a lesser extent) have placed a crippling blockade on Gaza, devastating its already weak economy and forcing many of its residents into abject poverty. Have most Arab countries done much to help the situation? Hell no, and they should be criticized for that. That doesn't absolve Israel of its guilt, though... IMO, at least.

 

[Gunny]

Does this mean that the Arabs are, maybe a little, just possibly responsible for the plight of the Palestinians?

How would Nonie Darwish know? Just because she lived it?

"This policy of forcing a Palestinian identity on these people for eternity and condemning them to a miserable life in a refugee camp was designed to perpetuate and exacerbate the Palestinian refugee crisis.

So was the Arab policy of overpopulating Gaza. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, whose main political support comes from Arab countries, encourages high birth rates by rewarding families with many children. Yasser Arafat said the Palestinian woman's womb was his best weapon."

An Arab-Made Misery - WSJ.com

The Palestinians are responsible for the plight of the Palestinians.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who has argued that Israel is completely responsible for the plight of the Palestinians? Portions of blame lie with multiple other countries, some Arab, some non-Arab. However, the article seems like little more than an attempt to justify Israel's poor treatment of Palestinians ("they do it, too!")

Israel created the refugees. Israel herded those refugees into Gaza and the West Bank. Israel continuously encroaches upon territory that isn't rightfully theirs by building and expanding settlements in the West Bank. Israel (and Egypt, to a lesser extent) have placed a crippling blockade on Gaza, devastating its already weak economy and forcing many of its residents into abject poverty. Have most Arab countries done much to help the situation? Hell no, and they should be criticized for that. That doesn't absolve Israel of its guilt, though... IMO, at least.

Portions? Methinks I smell an apologist.

How can Israel exhibit "poor treatment of Palestinians" if they are citizens of another country? Do they live in Israel?
Now you know that the countries that created the refugees were those Arab countries that wouldn't allow them in, no, threw them out.
Blockade? Doesn't Egypt have a border with Gaza?

Abject poverty? Drop by the Paris apartment of the widow Arafat, maybe there is a few billion lying around.

It's easy to read between the lines that you write. Dissemble and obfuscate.
This will never end as long as there are folks like you around.

 

[Kalam]

Portions? Methinks I smell an apologist.

To me, that smell seems to be coming from your direction.

How can Israel exhibit "poor treatment of Palestinians" if they are citizens of another country? Do they live in Israel?

The Palestinians who live in the West Bank live under Israeli military occupation. Those who live in the Gaza strip live in a nominally autonomous territory which, in reality, has its land and sea borders (excluding those shared with Egypt) and its airspace controlled by Israel. Most of them and/or their antecedents lived in what is now Israel before the state was established and before they either fled their homes or were forced out of them.

Now you know that the countries that created the refugees were those Arab countries that wouldn't allow them in, no, threw them out.

That most Arab countries won't grant citizenship to Palestinian refugees does not mean that those countries created those refugees.

Blockade? Doesn't Egypt have a border with Gaza?

Did I not mention that?

Abject poverty? Drop by the Paris apartment of the widow Arafat, maybe there is a few billion lying around.

The existence of corrupt Palestinian leaders does not absolve Israel of all guilt and responsibility related to the Palestinians' plight.

It's easy to read between the lines that you write. Dissemble and obfuscate. This will never end as long as there are folks like you around.

With all due respect, ma'am, I'm not the one attempting to sweep my favored country's 60-year history of aggressive ethnoreligious discrimination under the rug.

 

[DavidS]

Israel created the refugees.

What the hell are you blabbering on about? 1923 Palestinian Mandate clearly says: Palestine for Jews. Transjordan for Arabs.

So you wanna tell me why tens of thousands of Arabs immigrated into Palestine illegally during the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s?

Let me ask you this Kalam. Where do you live? Can I come over and move in? You can sleep on the couch. Oh and by the way - I need you to pay the electric bill too. I'll split cable with you as long as you get Playboy.

Oh by the way - whatever happened the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS Arafat received? Why is there one poor person in Gaza or the West Bank with all the billions of dollars they've gotten?

It pays to be a terrorist, doesn't it? It pays to be a victim of the Jewish people. Fire some rockets, some mortars, kill a few people and get Israel pissed off enough to attack you. Then claim you're a victim of Jewish aggression... get billions of dollars to buy more weapons, lob more rockets at Israel and do the same damned thing again. The only reason there are Palestinians to begin with is because it's profitable. You get the sympathy of the world behind you and billions of dollars to boot.

 

[Neser Boha]

Does this mean that the Arabs are, maybe a little, just possibly responsible for the plight of the Palestinians?

How would Nonie Darwish know? Just because she lived it?

"This policy of forcing a Palestinian identity on these people for eternity and condemning them to a miserable life in a refugee camp was designed to perpetuate and exacerbate the Palestinian refugee crisis.

So was the Arab policy of overpopulating Gaza. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, whose main political support comes from Arab countries, encourages high birth rates by rewarding families with many children. Yasser Arafat said the Palestinian woman's womb was his best weapon."

An Arab-Made Misery - WSJ.com

It is an interesting article, even though nowhere in it does the woman say or even imply that 'Jews aren't responsible'. You took it out of context (because you obviously do not know what the context even is) and ... misunderstood it.

The truth is that other Arab countries haven't been doing as much as they should to help Palestinians, but they have not CAUSED the situation - Israel did.

The truth is that Arafat was corrupted and fucked up big time. Does that absolve Israel of all its crimes?

What the author said about the UN agency - now that just sounds like an unsubstantiated claim.

Yeah, by now, neither side is without fault, however, it is important to know the origins and history of the conflict to be able to even begin properly discussing this problem and you don't seem to have that knowledge.

But, it's an interesting find and I'll look up more stuff by that woman.

 

[DavidS]

Does this mean that the Arabs are, maybe a little, just possibly responsible for the plight of the Palestinians?

How would Nonie Darwish know? Just because she lived it?

"This policy of forcing a Palestinian identity on these people for eternity and condemning them to a miserable life in a refugee camp was designed to perpetuate and exacerbate the Palestinian refugee crisis.

So was the Arab policy of overpopulating Gaza. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, whose main political support comes from Arab countries, encourages high birth rates by rewarding families with many children. Yasser Arafat said the Palestinian woman's womb was his best weapon."

An Arab-Made Misery - WSJ.com

It is an interesting article, even though nowhere in it does the woman say or even imply that 'Jews aren't responsible'. You took it out of context (because you obviously do not know what the context even is) and ... misunderstood it.

The truth is that other Arab countries haven't been doing as much as they should to help Palestinians, but they have not CAUSED the situation - Israel did.

The truth is that Arafat was corrupted and fucked up big time. Does that absolve Israel of all its crimes?

What the author said about the UN agency - now that just sounds like an unsubstantiated claim.

Yeah, by now, neither side is without fault, however, it is important to know the origins and history of the conflict to be able to even begin properly discussing this problem and you don't seem to have that knowledge.

But, it's an interesting find and I'll look up more stuff by that woman.

If defending the Israeli people is a crime, then I say arrest Olmert! Oh wait, he's already pretty much under arrest. Israel hasn't caused anything.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

So you wanna tell me why tens of thousands of Arabs immigrated into Palestine illegally during the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s?

Dude, why do you keep repeating this stupid lie over and over again? Does anybody believe it? Where the hell did you come across this in the first place?

 

[Shogun]

What? Didn't you get the fucking memo?


JEWS CAN DO NO WRONG. It's pure antisemitism to believe that carving out a nation will have repercussions from the indegenous ethnicity. And fuck.. WHO WOULDN'T want to be a second class citizen in israel? hell, if ******* on the cotton field had it better than african jungles then OF COURSE segregated arabs will just LOVE being inferior to state based policies meant to prob up JEWS alone. Gosh, It's not as if our American jews would cry bloody fucking murder if they were treated here like they enable israel to threat it's ****** class... no no.. of COURSE not. and, don't forget kiddies.. when criticised, SCREAM SCARLET A AND POINT AT AN ARAB STATE! Clearly, if refugees can die in darfeur then it's nothing but joooo hating antisemitism to focus on the same happening in israel. After all, the only good Arab is a DEAD arab. Clearly, thats not racism unless you happen to be a non-chosen goyim. Then, you are a racist. If you are jewish, however, then it's your zionist duty to find an arab toddler today and shoot it in the fucking face.

 

[del]

So you wanna tell me why tens of thousands of Arabs immigrated into Palestine illegally during the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s?

Dude, why do you keep repeating this stupid lie over and over again? Does anybody believe it? Where the hell did you come across this in the first place?

stormfront

 

[HUGGY]

Does this mean that the Arabs are, maybe a little, just possibly responsible for the plight of the Palestinians?

How would Nonie Darwish know? Just because she lived it?

"This policy of forcing a Palestinian identity on these people for eternity and condemning them to a miserable life in a refugee camp was designed to perpetuate and exacerbate the Palestinian refugee crisis.

So was the Arab policy of overpopulating Gaza. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, whose main political support comes from Arab countries, encourages high birth rates by rewarding families with many children. Yasser Arafat said the Palestinian woman's womb was his best weapon."

An Arab-Made Misery - WSJ.com

The Palestinians are responsible for the plight of the Palestinians.

Chrisssaaaakkkes Gunny you are straining our budding buddyhood with such an obvious oversimplication of the situation. If you put yourself in thier position what do you suggest the Palistinians do to rectify thier situation?

PS: I get a pop up window frequently on some threads on your MB that looks like a download window. It appears right in the middle of the screen. It's title is "Do I give a damn v 1.1" Are you aware of it? If so what is it? You can PM me with any response. Thanks.

 

[Neser Boha]

Does this mean that the Arabs are, maybe a little, just possibly responsible for the plight of the Palestinians?

How would Nonie Darwish know? Just because she lived it?

"This policy of forcing a Palestinian identity on these people for eternity and condemning them to a miserable life in a refugee camp was designed to perpetuate and exacerbate the Palestinian refugee crisis.

So was the Arab policy of overpopulating Gaza. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, whose main political support comes from Arab countries, encourages high birth rates by rewarding families with many children. Yasser Arafat said the Palestinian woman's womb was his best weapon."

An Arab-Made Misery - WSJ.com

The Palestinians are responsible for the plight of the Palestinians.

Chrisssaaaakkkes Gunny you are straining our budding buddyhood with such an obvious oversimplication of the situation. If you put yourself in thier position what do you suggest the Palistinians do to rectify thier situation?

PS: I get a pop up window frequently on some threads on your MB that looks like a download window. It appears right in the middle of the screen. It's title is "Do I give a damn v 1.1" Are you aware of it? If so what is it? You can PM me with any response. Thanks.

Dude, it's DavidS's sig

 

[HUGGY]

Does this mean that the Arabs are, maybe a little, just possibly responsible for the plight of the Palestinians?

How would Nonie Darwish know? Just because she lived it?

"This policy of forcing a Palestinian identity on these people for eternity and condemning them to a miserable life in a refugee camp was designed to perpetuate and exacerbate the Palestinian refugee crisis.

So was the Arab policy of overpopulating Gaza. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, whose main political support comes from Arab countries, encourages high birth rates by rewarding families with many children. Yasser Arafat said the Palestinian woman's womb was his best weapon."

An Arab-Made Misery - WSJ.com

It is an interesting article, even though nowhere in it does the woman say or even imply that 'Jews aren't responsible'. You took it out of context (because you obviously do not know what the context even is) and ... misunderstood it.

The truth is that other Arab countries haven't been doing as much as they should to help Palestinians, but they have not CAUSED the situation - Israel did.

The truth is that Arafat was corrupted and fucked up big time. Does that absolve Israel of all its crimes?

What the author said about the UN agency - now that just sounds like an unsubstantiated claim.

Yeah, by now, neither side is without fault, however, it is important to know the origins and history of the conflict to be able to even begin properly discussing this problem and you don't seem to have that knowledge.

But, it's an interesting find and I'll look up more stuff by that woman.

If defending the Israeli people is a crime, then I say arrest Olmert! Oh wait, he's already pretty much under arrest. Israel hasn't caused anything.

Israel hasn't caused anything?
I'll have to defer to the poster when he exclaimed for the world to see "Fuck Davids" on a different thread. Christ and I was starting to like you.

 

[Kalam]

What the hell are you blabbering on about?

We were having a fairly civil discussion before you showed up...

1923 Palestinian Mandate clearly says: Palestine for Jews. Transjordan for Arabs.

Not exactly. Transjordan was set aside as part of a future Arab state (which, despite the UK's promises, never came into existence.) The entire territory of Palestine was not set aside as a future Jewish state. The mandate was divided in two to make it clear that, when the Jewish state was formed, no part of it would be in Transjordanian territory.

So you wanna tell me why tens of thousands of Arabs immigrated into Palestine illegally during the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s?

Where did you hear that? Increases in the number of Arabs unattributable to natural population growth can probably be attributed to the sedentarization of Bedouin tribes. If you want to discuss illegal immigration to the mandate, look at the exponential rate of growth experienced by the Jewish population there during the same period.

Let me ask you this Kalam. Where do you live? Can I come over and move in? You can sleep on the couch. Oh and by the way - I need you to pay the electric bill too. I'll split cable with you as long as you get Playboy.

You must be Israel. I know you've been through some tough shit, so you're welcome to crash at my place as long as you support yourself. I don't want someone living here at my expense, though. You know, doing things like forcing me out of parts of the house and asking for my ID whenever I leave my room to take a piss.

Oh by the way - whatever happened the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS Arafat received?

I don't know. Where have i expressed support for Arafat's financial dealings? How does his corruptness make the current situation any less important?

According to the IMF, most of the funds he diverted from the public were used to invest in Palestinian assets.

ei: IMF audit reveals Arafat diverted $900 million to account under his personal control

Why is there one poor person in Gaza or the West Bank with all the billions of dollars they've gotten?

Because throwing money at apartheid walls and blockades isn't going to bring them down.

It pays to be a terrorist, doesn't it? It pays to be a victim of the Jewish people. Fire some rockets, some mortars, kill a few people and get Israel pissed off enough to attack you. Then claim you're a victim of Jewish aggression... get billions of dollars to buy more weapons, lob more rockets at Israel and do the same damned thing again. The only reason there are Palestinians to begin with is because it's profitable. You get the sympathy of the world behind you and billions of dollars to boot.

You're a supporter of Israel. I'm not opposed to its existence, either. However, isn't accusing one group of playing the victim card a bit hypocritical when it's frequently claimed that yours got its entire country from doing the same thing?

 

[DiveCon]

The Palestinians are responsible for the plight of the Palestinians.

Chrisssaaaakkkes Gunny you are straining our budding buddyhood with such an obvious oversimplication of the situation. If you put yourself in thier position what do you suggest the Palistinians do to rectify thier situation?

PS: I get a pop up window frequently on some threads on your MB that looks like a download window. It appears right in the middle of the screen. It's title is "Do I give a damn v 1.1" Are you aware of it? If so what is it? You can PM me with any response. Thanks.

Dude, it's DavidS's sig

someone is a little slow, eh?

 

[HUGGY]

Chrisssaaaakkkes Gunny you are straining our budding buddyhood with such an obvious oversimplication of the situation. If you put yourself in thier position what do you suggest the Palistinians do to rectify thier situation?

PS: I get a pop up window frequently on some threads on your MB that looks like a download window. It appears right in the middle of the screen. It's title is "Do I give a damn v 1.1" Are you aware of it? If so what is it? You can PM me with any response. Thanks.

Dude, it's DavidS's sig

someone is a little slow, eh?

SLOW??? You don't know the half of it peckerwood. After sixty years of cross country runnin, mnt climbing(its the trip back down that fucks up you joints), pole vaultin, fightin the karate, kayaking(stuck one real bad on the beach surfing on the coast of WA)

Ya I've slowed down a bit. Some days its a fuckin challenge to get up in the morning.

What with the scare of the newest internet threats I can't be too carefull.
On the other hand I act the idiot at times for comedic effect.

 

[LongRedBillions]

REMEMBER THIS FAMOUS ARTICLE, OFTEN MISTAKENLY ATTRIBUTED TO DENNIS MILLER? IT'S STILL A CLASSIC.

The Story of the Middle East

by Larry Miller
11-10-03

"A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so as a service to all who still don't get it, I now offer you the story of the Middle East in just a few paragraphs, which is all you Really need.

Here we go:

The Palestinians want their own country.

There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians.

It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years.

Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern Invention. Before the Israelis won the land in war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, and there were no "Palestinians" then, and the West Bank Was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then. As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the Palestinians," weeping for Their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation."

So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our Deaths until someone points out they're being taped. Instead, let's call them what they are: "Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death."

I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters." Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one more thing. No, they don't.

They could've had their own country any time in the last thirty years. Especially [in 2001] at Camp David. But if you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually have to Figure out some way to make a living. That's no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region Want: Israel.

They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course -- that's where The real fun is -- but mostly they want Israel.

Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel - or "The Zionist Entity" as their textbooks call it -- for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab countries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact that they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally backward on G-d's Earth, and if you've ever been around G-d's Earth, you know that's really saying something.

It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic about. The great history and culture of the Muslim Mideast. Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to the world since Algebra, and, By the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that one.

Chew this around and spit it out: Five hundred million Arabs; five Million Jews.
Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a Pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, Everyone will be pals.

Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.

My friend Kevin Rooney made a gorgeous point the other day: Just reverse the Numbers. Imagine five hundred million Jews and five million Arabs. I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it.

Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades and dynamite to themselves? Of course not. Or marshaling every fiber and force at their disposal for generations to drive a tiny Arab State into the sea? Nonsense. Or dancing for joy at the murder of innocents? Impossible. Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their bread with the blood of children? Disgusting. No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace, the Worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death.

Mr. Bush, God bless him, is walking a tightrope. I understand that with vital operations in Iraq and others, it's in our interest, as Americans, to try to stabilize our Arab allies as much as possible, and, after all, that can't be much harder than stabilizing a Roomful of supermodels who've just had their drugs taken away.

However, in any big-picture strategy, there's always a danger of Losing moral weight.

We've already lost some. After September 11 our president told us and the world he was going to root out all terrorists and the Countries that supported them. Beautiful. Then the Israelis, after months and months of having the equivalent of an Oklahoma City every week (and then every day) start to do the same thing we Did, and we tell them to show restraint.

If America were being attacked with an Oklahoma City every day, we would all very shortly be screaming for the administration to just be done with it and kill everything south of the Mediterranean and East of the Jordan.

 

[DiveCon]

Dude, it's DavidS's sig

someone is a little slow, eh?

SLOW??? You don't know the half of it peckerwood. After sixty years of cross country runnin, mnt climbing(its the trip back down that fucks up you joints), pole vaultin, fightin the karate, kayaking(stuck one real bad on the beach surfing on the coast of WA)

Ya I've slowed down a bit. Some days its a fuckin challenge to get up in the morning.

What with the scare of the newest internet threats I can't be too carefull.
On the other hand I act the idiot at times for comedic effect.

none of that has anything to do with your BRAIN and its ability to recognize things

 

[HUGGY]

someone is a little slow, eh?

SLOW??? You don't know the half of it peckerwood. After sixty years of cross country runnin, mnt climbing(its the trip back down that fucks up you joints), pole vaultin, fightin the karate, kayaking(stuck one real bad on the beach surfing on the coast of WA)

Ya I've slowed down a bit. Some days its a fuckin challenge to get up in the morning.

What with the scare of the newest internet threats I can't be too carefull.
On the other hand I act the idiot at times for comedic effect.

none of that has anything to do with your BRAIN and its ability to recognize things

I could while away the hours, conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain.
And my head I'd be scratchin' while
my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain.
I'd unravel every riddle for any individ'le,
In trouble or in pain.
With the thoughts you'll be thinkin'
you could be another Lincoln
If you only had a brain.
Oh, I could tell you why The ocean's near the shore.
I could think of things I never thunk before.
And then I'd sit, and think some more.
I would not be just a nothin' my head all full of stuffin'
My heart all full of pain.
I would dance and be merry, life would be a ding-a-derry,
If I only had a brain.