OK Tea Party....Time to belly up to the bar

[Lonestar_logic]

Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.

Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.

I already told your goofy ass. The uninsured can just stay uninsured. Health insurance isn't a right Nancy.

Yet, Emergency Room Services are available.

And always have been.

 

[topspin]

recessions come and go
most aren't accompanied by trillions in party give aways nicknamed stimulus.

Funny but republicans didn't seem to mind the stimulus money when they tried to take credit for what it had done. lol

what's funny is the tears in your cheereos

 

[drsmith1072]

There are hidden expenditures all over the place. I don't buy the cooked books for a second. They feed you the Shell Game or Three Card Monty, and you buy it, Hook, Line, and Sinker.

Have you noticed at all that no matter what happens to the economy, Government Salaries, Service Fee's, Taxes, and Surcharges still rise? Government has not only become a Parasite, it has out grown the Host. You just keep blaming the host. It fit's real well into the Progressive Scheme, which is to bleed us dry, take what it did not earn, and seek other grounds to feed off of.

That ain't true! Taxes are as low as they've every been. Where do you get this stuff?

News Flash, Your Taxes are hidden in Surcharges, Fee's Penalties, and Undisclosed Hidden Charges. The Government usually profits from every side of the equation when money changes hands. They benefit even when you die, like they were your silent partner your whole live. WTFU. This is about Power, Absolute Power and control over every aspect of your life, cradle to grave.

Are you talking federal or state?? you do know that there is a difference between the two don't you?? BTW got any specifics or are you just running on your usual vague generalities??

 

[Claudette]

Lets just wait and see what they do. Shall we??

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.

Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.

I already told your goofy ass. The uninsured can just stay uninsured. Health insurance isn't a right Nancy.

The HC bill does not provide taxpayer funded insurance. It is responsible for 0.0% of the current deficit. If your argument is that it will result in deficit in the future, speculate away. But so far you have not addressed the current deficit, not one bit.

Any other suggestions?

I didn't bring up the "uninsured" you did.

Get your head out of your ass and pay attention!

According to the CBO. Obamacare will add 109 Billion to the deficit over ten years.

So defunding Obamacare and then repealing it, we will avoid adding 109 billion to the deficit. You people are stupid.

Lucky for me I got work to do.

Adios!

 

[Intense]

That ain't true! Taxes are as low as they've every been. Where do you get this stuff?

News Flash, Your Taxes are hidden in Surcharges, Fee's Penalties, and Undisclosed Hidden Charges. The Government usually profits from every side of the equation when money changes hands. They benefit even when you die, like they were your silent partner your whole live. WTFU. This is about Power, Absolute Power and control over every aspect of your life, cradle to grave.

Are you talking federal or state?? you do know that there is a difference between the two don't you?? BTW got any specifics or are you just running on your usual vague generalities??

Both, but you already know that. Face it, you just don't get it. You never will. It will never be enough for you.

 

[The Rabbi]

And nobody had a filibuster proof Senate. It was only filibuster-proof if every Democrat voted as a partisan. It should be commended when they dissent based on study and beliefs. (basically: integrity)

Right. And the GOP doesn't control the House. It only controls the House if every Republican votes along party lines.
WHere do people learn this stuff?????

 

[Cuyo]

There are hidden expenditures all over the place. I don't buy the cooked books for a second. They feed you the Shell Game or Three Card Monty, and you buy it, Hook, Line, and Sinker.

Have you noticed at all that no matter what happens to the economy, Government Salaries, Service Fee's, Taxes, and Surcharges still rise? Government has not only become a Parasite, it has out grown the Host. You just keep blaming the host. It fit's real well into the Progressive Scheme, which is to bleed us dry, take what it did not earn, and seek other grounds to feed off of.

That ain't true! Taxes are as low as they've every been. Where do you get this stuff?

News Flash, Your Taxes are hidden in Surcharges, Fee's Penalties, and Undisclosed Hidden Charges. The Government usually profits from every side of the equation when money changes hands. They benefit even when you die, like they were your silent partner your whole live. WTFU. This is about Power, Absolute Power and control over every aspect of your life, cradle to grave.

What can I say? You talk about "The Government" like it's an entity of it's own. We are the government. Sure, there are individuals who unjustly enrich themselves through government service and fraud, but I got news for you- They do that in the private sector too. In the private sector, they don't even need to hide it, it's merely called "Profits." But they do all the same waste and abuse, probably worse than the government, because they don't have the same accountability instruments. The sad part is, in private industry, hiding fraudulent profits have a much more sinister motive; They can make their profits right out in the open. They only hide them to avoid paying their share for the commons on which they are dependent.

I'm sorry, if you have such a sinister view of the government, that it's some three-headed ogre out to getcha, there's not much I can do to change your mind... Such views have far too much emotional investment.

But regarding the deficit; My simple math still holds true. You can't just trim a little here and trim a little there and have the result of a balanced budget. The deficit is far to astoundingly high.

 

[drsmith1072]

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

And what will you say when none or most of what you say NEEDS to happen doesn't happen??

Furthermore, several on the right are against socialism and SS and medicare are socialist programs that many believe either need to be done away with, stripped away to almost nothing or privatized into nonexistence. So how can you honestly claim that "NO ONE" is going to cut them when a large portion of republicans are against such socialist big government programs??

It will happen.

Let's see a Republican concensus that they want to cut SS and/or medicare. It should be easy since you claim a large portion of them do.

LOL Thanks for the baseless and sunbstanceless prediction nostradumbass but I did ask a question however, I see that you avoided it. Imagine that.

Furthermore, it is a simple conclusion to make when the tea party movement was all about antisocialism which spread throughout the party, especially when you consider that the SS and medicare are socialist programs. How can you be both for and against socialism??

 

[Cuyo]

I already told your goofy ass. The uninsured can just stay uninsured. Health insurance isn't a right Nancy.

The HC bill does not provide taxpayer funded insurance. It is responsible for 0.0% of the current deficit. If your argument is that it will result in deficit in the future, speculate away. But so far you have not addressed the current deficit, not one bit.

Any other suggestions?

I didn't bring up the "uninsured" you did.

Get your head out of your ass and pay attention!

According to the CBO. Obamacare will add 109 Billion to the deficit over ten years.

So defunding Obamacare and then repealing it, we will avoid adding 109 billion to the deficit. You people are stupid.

Lucky for me I got work to do.

Adios!

I'm sorry, but where the hell exactly did I bring up the uninsured?

Edit: OHHH I see... No that original post should have read "Unemployed," not "Uninsured."

 

[drsmith1072]

recessions come and go
most aren't accompanied by trillions in party give aways nicknamed stimulus.

Funny but republicans didn't seem to mind the stimulus money when they tried to take credit for what it had done. lol

what's funny is the tears in your cheereos

Actually I ate raisin bran for breakfast but no tears here. I see the republicans winning the house as a good thing. Now that actually have to DO something other than just say no.

Furthermore, it's funny how you didn't address the fact that many republicans didn't seem to mind the stimulus money when they tried to take credit for what it had done. LOL <sarcasm> I wonder why? LOL

 

[midcan5]

It will be interesting to see if the republicans now cut Medicare and the military machine, both are the largest expenditures, and places where their words would mean something. SS is solvent for a long time. Reduced taxes did nothing good under Reagan or Bush Jr. Medicare change would cost the republicans the 2012 election, so what will really change? The military war machine plays on fear and it also benefits all their benefactors so ultimately it will be education, children and the infrastructure that suffer - same as always. Nothing changes sometimes.


"Capitalism leads to dole queues, the scramble for markets, and war. Collectivism leads to concentration camps, leader-worship and war. There is no way out of this unless a planned economy can be somehow combined with freedom of the intellect, which can only happen if the concept of right and wrong can be restored." George Orwell

 

[drsmith1072]

News Flash, Your Taxes are hidden in Surcharges, Fee's Penalties, and Undisclosed Hidden Charges. The Government usually profits from every side of the equation when money changes hands. They benefit even when you die, like they were your silent partner your whole live. WTFU. This is about Power, Absolute Power and control over every aspect of your life, cradle to grave.

Are you talking federal or state?? you do know that there is a difference between the two don't you?? BTW got any specifics or are you just running on your usual vague generalities??

Both, but you already know that. Face it, you just don't get it. You never will. It will never be enough for you.

So you are blaming the federal government for increases made at the state level?? Are you really this dishonest?? After all the topic was the federal government and now you are dishonestly trying to lump "Surcharges, Fee's Penalties, and Undisclosed Hidden Charges" from the states into the discussion about the fed.

So why are you so dishonest?

BTW still waiting on the specifics for your previous posts, IF you have any that is. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath. LOL

 

[Sallow]

It's why they hate the libertarian concept of rights so much, they don't want to give a chance to a system where people give money out of their own hearts rather than have their money forcibly re-distributed by the government, nor do they want a system where stealing 13+ trillion dollars from the average American and giving it to their corporate and union sponsors is illegal.

First off..this whole notion of "redistribution" of wealth only seems to upset the right when it's done from the wealthy to the middle class and poor. The other way is no problem. And that is essentially what the Bush administration was doing and the Reagan administration did..with some pretty crappy results. It's also done in third world countries.

And I love this notion of complaining about taxes. You know who doesn't pay taxes? Marxists. Yep..no taxes. Next comes up...some of the Monarchies and Autocracies. Some of them have taxes..some don't. But they all have very craptacular economies. So this notion of "low taxation" someone equates to great economic booms is nuts. Taxes are what you pay to live in a great country. Me? I am proud to pay my taxes. It means I am contributing to the American way. Truth, Justice and Liberty for all. That ain't cheap.

 

[G.T.]

And nobody had a filibuster proof Senate. It was only filibuster-proof if every Democrat voted as a partisan. It should be commended when they dissent based on study and beliefs. (basically: integrity)

Right. And the GOP doesn't control the House. It only controls the House if every Republican votes along party lines.
WHere do people learn this stuff?????

Except the part regarding the house isn't true, you knew that.

Tell me, how many votes makes an item "fillibuster proof," and how many D's were in the Senate. Take your time.

 

[kiwiman127]

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.

Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.

I already told your goofy ass. The uninsured can just stay uninsured. Health insurance isn't a right Nancy.

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"The uninsured can stay uninsured" and YOU will pay for the uninsured' health care via higher insurance premiums like you have been doing over the past years, either way YOU pay for it. The more uninsured, the more your insurance premium rates go up. That's not exactly a win-win but more so a lose-lose situation.

 

[Sallow]

Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.

Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.

I already told your goofy ass. The uninsured can just stay uninsured. Health insurance isn't a right Nancy.

Yet, Emergency Room Services are available.

Which are much more expensive..over the long run..then having someone covered by insurance.

 

[Bill Angel]

Funny but republicans didn't seem to mind the stimulus money when they tried to take credit for what it had done. lol

what's funny is the tears in your cheereos

Actually I ate raisin bran for breakfast but no tears here. I see the republicans winning the house as a good thing. Now that actually have to DO something other than just say no.

Furthermore, it's funny how you didn't address the fact that many republicans didn't seem to mind the stimulus money when they tried to take credit for what it had done. LOL <sarcasm> I wonder why? LOL

One proposal that is repeatedly discussed is the elimination of agricultural subsidies and price supports. One program that Tea Party Republicans should support is the elimination of "direct payments," which is a $5 billion a year subsidy that pays landowners a set per-acre amount regardless of what they're currently growing or whether prices are high or low.

 

[Intense]

I already told your goofy ass. The uninsured can just stay uninsured. Health insurance isn't a right Nancy.

Yet, Emergency Room Services are available.

Which are much more expensive..over the long run..then having someone covered by insurance.

Nope. What is more expensive in the long run is open border policy. You are just in denial. The market price will bend to what people can afford or stay in inventory. Same with services.

 

[drsmith1072]

Yet, Emergency Room Services are available.

Which are much more expensive..over the long run..then having someone covered by insurance.

Nope. What is more expensive in the long run is open border policy. You are just in denial. The market price will bend to what people can afford or stay in inventory. Same with services.

Oh and look at the typical bait and switch by the right winger. LOL He can't debate the fact that emergency room services available to the uninsured is more expensive than having someone covered by insurance going to the emergency room, so he tries to change the subject. LOL

How typical.