OK Tea Party....Time to belly up to the bar

[rightwinger]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? it is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

Me Personally. I'd work on fair labor laws. Union's out of Government completely. When Government Workers swear Allegiance to the Union, it would be so nice that they were referring to the USA, let's remove the temptation. Unions are obsolete, at least their legal activity and function.

Government Salaries and hours worked per week is questionable. Extended vacation time. Waste Waste Waste.

You seem to put so much faith in Tea Party Members that hold office, how many do you think there are? Or are you just being silly? I thought so.

I'm looking at the opportunity to see the various levels of Government, start applying some real Federalism, where things are experimented with, tried, and refined at the State levels, rather than one size fits all Centralized Legislation that does not adapt to concern or need. Governing isn't always about what is convenient for the Governing Body Itself. It gets lazy and sloppy that way. Governing is about maintaining and applying proper remedy. It is Government that is supposed to adapt to circumstance and correctly apply through reason, not expect reality to bend to it's will without question.

Me Personally. I'd work on fair labor laws. Union's out of Government completely. When Government Workers swear Allegiance to the Union, it would be so nice that they were referring to the USA, let's remove the temptation. Unions are obsolete, at least their legal activity and function

I think you overestimate the strength of Federal Government Unions. From personal experience they have very little strength. Government salaries are set by law and are not subject to negotiation. The pay structure and promotion guidelines are also established by law.Government employees are prohibited by law from striking so they have no bargaining chips in negotiation. The only thing Government unions can negotiate are working conditions.

Government Salaries and hours worked per week is questionable. Extended vacation time. Waste Waste Waste.

Government salaries and annual pay increases are established by a formula set by Congress. As in most things government, it is very slow to react to changes in prevailing wages. Generally, when wages skyrocket, government salaries and the ability to hire competitively suffer. When the economy crashes, government wages and ability to hire highly qualified employess increase.
Vacation time is the same that it has been for over 50 years

You seem to put so much faith in Tea Party Members that hold office, how many do you think there are? Or are you just being silly? I thought so.

The point is that I do not have much faith. I think they are in for a rude awakening on what it takes to get things done in Washington. I don't think cutting that budget is as easy as they think


Me Personally. I'd work on fair labor laws. Union's out of Government completely. When Government Workers swear Allegiance to the Union, it would be so nice that they were referring to the USA, let's remove the temptation. Unions are obsolete, at least their legal activity and function

As I stated above, Government Unions (AFGE and NFFE) are a sham and have little influence. Unions as a whole in this country are weak. In a booming economy, unions have power. In a recession, they give back benefits to save jobs.

 

[rightwinger]

I don't think anyone is going to tell Rand Paul what to do, or how to do it. If you think he's going to go up to Washington and disappear, you have a VERY rude awakening coming.

Rand Paul is a Freshman Senator from Kentucky. If he thinks he can enter the Senate and start giving orders he will be sadly disappointed.

If Paul believes he can go to Washington and say "I am a Tea Party member and here is what I want" HE is the one in for a VERY rude awakening. The Tea Party is a segment of the larger Republican Party and the Republican Party is still a minority in the Senate. Unless he learns how to negotiate and pass legislation he will be just a talking head on the nightly Fox News broadcast.

 

[G.T.]

"Yes, We Can". I believe that summed up Obama's campaign. Never did answer the 'can what?' thing... but we know now... and we just told him 'no, you can't'.

Live with it.

This basically ignores reality. Do we have to get video of him saying what "can what," was, and compare it to all the Legislation he signed, or...............no?

 

[topspin]

the only reason the senate was held is only 1/3 was up for election. When you have democrats firing guns through bills I wouldn't be poking my liberal chest out. Democrats are going to kneel to the tea party.

 

[Intense]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? it is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.

Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.

OMG! Is the sky falling!

No... I guess not. Wow, we made a few wrong turns. What ever you do, don't do anything to fix it? Is that your platform?

 

[Intense]

the only reason the senate was held is only 1/3 was up for election. When you have democrats firing guns through bills I wouldn't be poking my liberal chest out. Democrats are going to kneel to the tea party.

We don't want them to kneel. We want them to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.

 

[topspin]

the only reason the senate was held is only 1/3 was up for election. When you have democrats firing guns through bills I wouldn't be poking my liberal chest out. Democrats are going to kneel to the tea party.

We don't want them to kneel. We want them to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.

Just an expression, that are going to run from Obama into the arms of fiscal sanity.

 

[Intense]

I don't think anyone is going to tell Rand Paul what to do, or how to do it. If you think he's going to go up to Washington and disappear, you have a VERY rude awakening coming.

Rand Paul is a Freshman Senator from Kentucky. If he thinks he can enter the Senate and start giving orders he will be sadly disappointed.

If Paul believes he can go to Washington and say "I am a Tea Party member and here is what I want" HE is the one in for a VERY rude awakening. The Tea Party is a segment of the larger Republican Party and the Republican Party is still a minority in the Senate. Unless he learns how to negotiate and pass legislation he will be just a talking head on the nightly Fox News broadcast.

Down Spot! Sit! Lie down! Roll over! Good Boy!!! Be nice to the Man.

 

[drsmith1072]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? It is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

They are good at stating vague generalitites but I seriously doubt that most of the responses that you get will have any specifics.

Yeah they won the majority in the house but now they actually have to do something, get specific about what they intend to do and how they intend to do it.

In the end it's going to be the same republicans in charge that were in charge last time they had power, so don't expect much to change.

 

[G.T.]

And nobody had a filibuster proof Senate. It was only filibuster-proof if every Democrat voted as a partisan. It should be commended when they dissent based on study and beliefs. (basically: integrity)

 

[Intense]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? It is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

They are good at stating vague generalitites but I seriously doubt that most of the responses that you get will have any specifics.

Yeah they won the majority in the house but now they actually have to do something, get specific about what they intend to do and how they intend to do it.

In the end it's going to be the same republicans in charge that were in charge last time they had power, so don't expect much to change.

That's where the change makes the difference. Thanks to the Tea Party Effect. Look at all those Governor's Seats changing hands. That's where the real change will come from.

 

[hipeter924]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? it is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

I look forward to them fixing things in this nation. I will not be an obstructionist. Let them at it.

Caleeeeefornication? Same ole shit, different day. and you walk around I bet looking all

They just fail to understand economic reality, haven't they realized that State Capitalism is superior to the EU cesspool that is collapsing in on itself as we speak. Now the Democrats are on the retreat we can at last breathe easy on the fact that democratic socialism will never take hold in America, and right wing economics will make a well deserved return. Even North Korea would have been better than the system Obama's Democrats planned to create in America.

 

[drsmith1072]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? it is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

And what will you say when none or most of what you say NEEDS to happen doesn't happen??

Furthermore, several on the right are against socialism and SS and medicare are socialist programs that many believe either need to be done away with, stripped away to almost nothing or privatized into nonexistence. So how can you honestly claim that "NO ONE" is going to cut them when a large portion of republicans are against such socialist big government programs??

 

[Sallow]

Cuts?

I mean..the stuff the Tea Party has put on the table really amounts to very little and does more harm then good in the long run.

-Cut the Department of Education? Oh goody..no national standards and buh bye to college grants.
-Cut OSHA? Yep back to the good old days of miners dropping like flies and people getting burned alive in factories.
-Cut the EPA? Well dirty water, tarnished earth and crappy air worked so well a century ago. Why not bring it back.
-Get rid of Social Security? Well you might save a bit of cash..but seniors who made a mistake or two would be back to living in squalor and dying in misery.
-Get rid of Medicare? Now your talking. That's a high ticket item. And it basically insures that the life span of Americans will be cut by a quarter.
-Get rid of Welfare? Well it's always a good idea for inner cities to deprive the improvished of any means of getting out of their holes. Good for the crime rate and prison industries too.

Even with all of this..we'd still be running deficits unless taxes were raised.

Or Military expenditures cut.

 

[Cuyo]

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.

Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.

OMG! Is the sky falling!

No... I guess not. Wow, we made a few wrong turns. What ever you do, don't do anything to fix it? Is that your platform?

We're not talking about my platform. We're talking about the laughably simplistic "Platform" of the tea party. They'll say "Cuts Cuts Cuts" but have no clue on where those cuts are. The "Cuts" to the budget that are available amount to a fly fart in a hurricane, when our deficit is the hurricane.

I'd argue that we will not have a balanced budget any time soon; It's just not in the cards. If and when we do, some tax increases will be necessary to accomplish them.

 

[editec]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? it is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

What quid pro quo deal do you think the GOP can offer to the Dems that will make them go along with extending the tax cuts for billionaires, Lone?

Serious question.

If politics is the art of compromise (and it has to be given our division in Congress) what compromise do you belive the GOP can offer to the Dems?

 

[Intense]

Cuts?

I mean..the stuff the Tea Party has put on the table really amounts to very little and does more harm then good in the long run.

-Cut the Department of Education? Oh goody..no national standards and buh bye to college grants.
-Cut OSHA? Yep back to the good old days of miners dropping like flies and people getting burned alive in factories.
-Cut the EPA? Well dirty water, tarnished earth and crappy air worked so well a century ago. Why not bring it back.
-Get rid of Social Security? Well you might save a bit of cash..but seniors who made a mistake or two would be back to living in squalor and dying in misery.
-Get rid of Medicare? Now your talking. That's a high ticket item. And it basically insures that the life span of Americans will be cut by a quarter.
-Get rid of Welfare? Well it's always a good idea for inner cities to deprive the improvished of any means of getting out of their holes. Good for the crime rate and prison industries too.

Even with all of this..we'd still be running deficits unless taxes were raised.

Or Military expenditures cut.

Or Government Agencies limit what they do to their Jurisdiction.
Or Government Salaries and Compensation adjust to Reason.
Or Government took the Fraud and Gouging out of Higher Education, rather than making lame excuses for it.
Or if Government Rooted Out Incompetence and Redundancy.

 

[drsmith1072]

Hmm, let's see. Obama and Democrats ran in '08 on a bunch of slogans. They took control of both houses of Congress and the White House by filibuster proof majorities. Yet Nutwinger never called on them to stand and deliver. And when they did, the country got in a worse mess than ever.
Now the GOP has control of the House and he challenges them to start governing like they staged a coup.
Memo: Dems still control the Senate and Obama is still the president.
My question is: OK Dems. You've lost control of the House but still have a big role in government. What are you going to do to solve all these problems?

WOW really? The dems had the filibuster proof majority if you include the independents for roughly six months, so why pretend that had it when they came in back in 2009?? Furthermore, they did deliver on several things, the situation was horrible when they got there in 2009 and we did get out of the recession, so how did they make it worse?? Got any speciifcs?? I thought not.

In the end your response is typical of most right wing hacks and that is to demand that the other party do something while you demand NOTHING of your own party despite the FACT that they control one house of congress. Isn't that what you accused rightwinger of doing??

The republicans now have control of the house, just saying no, is no longer an option.

 

[rightwinger]

Cuts?

I mean..the stuff the Tea Party has put on the table really amounts to very little and does more harm then good in the long run.

-Cut the Department of Education? Oh goody..no national standards and buh bye to college grants.
-Cut OSHA? Yep back to the good old days of miners dropping like flies and people getting burned alive in factories.
-Cut the EPA? Well dirty water, tarnished earth and crappy air worked so well a century ago. Why not bring it back.
-Get rid of Social Security? Well you might save a bit of cash..but seniors who made a mistake or two would be back to living in squalor and dying in misery.
-Get rid of Medicare? Now your talking. That's a high ticket item. And it basically insures that the life span of Americans will be cut by a quarter.
-Get rid of Welfare? Well it's always a good idea for inner cities to deprive the improvished of any means of getting out of their holes. Good for the crime rate and prison industries too.

Even with all of this..we'd still be running deficits unless taxes were raised.

Or Military expenditures cut.

Don't forget all the money they save by cutting NPR and NEA

 

[topspin]

recessions come and go
most aren't accompanied by trillions in party give aways nicknamed stimulus.