OK Tea Party....Time to belly up to the bar

[Cuyo]

Cuts?

I mean..the stuff the Tea Party has put on the table really amounts to very little and does more harm then good in the long run.

-Cut the Department of Education? Oh goody..no national standards and buh bye to college grants.
-Cut OSHA? Yep back to the good old days of miners dropping like flies and people getting burned alive in factories.
-Cut the EPA? Well dirty water, tarnished earth and crappy air worked so well a century ago. Why not bring it back.
-Get rid of Social Security? Well you might save a bit of cash..but seniors who made a mistake or two would be back to living in squalor and dying in misery.
-Get rid of Medicare? Now your talking. That's a high ticket item. And it basically insures that the life span of Americans will be cut by a quarter.
-Get rid of Welfare? Well it's always a good idea for inner cities to deprive the improvished of any means of getting out of their holes. Good for the crime rate and prison industries too.

Even with all of this..we'd still be running deficits unless taxes were raised.

Or Military expenditures cut.

Or Government Agencies limit what they do to their Jurisdiction.
Or Government Salaries and Compensation adjust to Reason.
Or Government took the Fraud and Gouging out of Higher Education, rather than making lame excuses for it.
Or if Government Rooted Out Incompetence and Redundancy.

Like I said, gutting the entire discretionary budget will save about $610 Billion. Your suggestions, if executed with perfect precision, will save maybe $75 billion. The deficit is $1.3 Trillion.

 

[Intense]

Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.

Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.

OMG! Is the sky falling!

No... I guess not. Wow, we made a few wrong turns. What ever you do, don't do anything to fix it? Is that your platform?

We're not talking about my platform. We're talking about the laughably simplistic "Platform" of the tea party. They'll say "Cuts Cuts Cuts" but have no clue on where those cuts are. The "Cuts" to the budget that are available amount to a fly fart in a hurricane, when our deficit is the hurricane.

I'd argue that we will not have a balanced budget any time soon; It's just not in the cards. If and when we do, some tax increases will be necessary to accomplish them.

We the People are what Platforms are supposed to be about. I know it's been a long time since We mattered at all, but it is something You need to get used to. When you want something of value, try to have something of value to give in return. As alien as the concept seems to you, it actually works very effectively. There is nothing You can do for Anyone Else with not having first acquired it on your own, be it by Theft, Mandate, or your Own Resources, Someone somewhere paid the price.

 

[Cuyo]

OMG! Is the sky falling!

No... I guess not. Wow, we made a few wrong turns. What ever you do, don't do anything to fix it? Is that your platform?

We're not talking about my platform. We're talking about the laughably simplistic "Platform" of the tea party. They'll say "Cuts Cuts Cuts" but have no clue on where those cuts are. The "Cuts" to the budget that are available amount to a fly fart in a hurricane, when our deficit is the hurricane.

I'd argue that we will not have a balanced budget any time soon; It's just not in the cards. If and when we do, some tax increases will be necessary to accomplish them.

We the People are what Platforms are supposed to be about. I know it's been a long time since We mattered at all, but it is something You need to get used to. When you want something of value, try to have something of value to give in return. As alien as the concept seems to you, it actually works very effectively. There is nothing You can do for Anyone Else with not having first acquired it on your own, be it by Theft, Mandate, or your Own Resources, Someone somewhere paid the price.

Note I've not cheerleaded for anyone; so I don't know who you think "I" am in reference to the "We" you speak of.

My simple math holds out, your "We the People" rant notwithstanding.

 

[Intense]

Cuts?

I mean..the stuff the Tea Party has put on the table really amounts to very little and does more harm then good in the long run.

-Cut the Department of Education? Oh goody..no national standards and buh bye to college grants.
-Cut OSHA? Yep back to the good old days of miners dropping like flies and people getting burned alive in factories.
-Cut the EPA? Well dirty water, tarnished earth and crappy air worked so well a century ago. Why not bring it back.
-Get rid of Social Security? Well you might save a bit of cash..but seniors who made a mistake or two would be back to living in squalor and dying in misery.
-Get rid of Medicare? Now your talking. That's a high ticket item. And it basically insures that the life span of Americans will be cut by a quarter.
-Get rid of Welfare? Well it's always a good idea for inner cities to deprive the improvished of any means of getting out of their holes. Good for the crime rate and prison industries too.

Even with all of this..we'd still be running deficits unless taxes were raised.

Or Military expenditures cut.

Or Government Agencies limit what they do to their Jurisdiction.
Or Government Salaries and Compensation adjust to Reason.
Or Government took the Fraud and Gouging out of Higher Education, rather than making lame excuses for it.
Or if Government Rooted Out Incompetence and Redundancy.

Like I said, gutting the entire discretionary budget will save about $610 Billion. Your suggestions, if executed with perfect precision, will save maybe $75 billion. The deficit is $1.3 Trillion.

There are hidden expenditures all over the place. I don't buy the cooked books for a second. They feed you the Shell Game or Three Card Monty, and you buy it, Hook, Line, and Sinker.

Have you noticed at all that no matter what happens to the economy, Government Salaries, Service Fee's, Taxes, and Surcharges still rise? Government has not only become a Parasite, it has out grown the Host. You just keep blaming the host. It fit's real well into the Progressive Scheme, which is to bleed us dry, take what it did not earn, and seek other grounds to feed off of.

 

[Sallow]

Cuts?

I mean..the stuff the Tea Party has put on the table really amounts to very little and does more harm then good in the long run.

-Cut the Department of Education? Oh goody..no national standards and buh bye to college grants.
-Cut OSHA? Yep back to the good old days of miners dropping like flies and people getting burned alive in factories.
-Cut the EPA? Well dirty water, tarnished earth and crappy air worked so well a century ago. Why not bring it back.
-Get rid of Social Security? Well you might save a bit of cash..but seniors who made a mistake or two would be back to living in squalor and dying in misery.
-Get rid of Medicare? Now your talking. That's a high ticket item. And it basically insures that the life span of Americans will be cut by a quarter.
-Get rid of Welfare? Well it's always a good idea for inner cities to deprive the improvished of any means of getting out of their holes. Good for the crime rate and prison industries too.

Even with all of this..we'd still be running deficits unless taxes were raised.

Or Military expenditures cut.

Or Government Agencies limit what they do to their Jurisdiction.
Or Government Salaries and Compensation adjust to Reason.
Or Government took the Fraud and Gouging out of Higher Education, rather than making lame excuses for it.
Or if Government Rooted Out Incompetence and Redundancy.

Again. If you don't cut anything..nothing gets "saved". What you listed might "feel" good but saves very little money in the big picture.

High ticket items are SSI, Medicare, and Military. If you don't cut any of those..or find new revenue..and I mean big revenue..you aren't doing anything about the deficit.

 

[hipeter924]

OMG! Is the sky falling!

No... I guess not. Wow, we made a few wrong turns. What ever you do, don't do anything to fix it? Is that your platform?

We're not talking about my platform. We're talking about the laughably simplistic "Platform" of the tea party. They'll say "Cuts Cuts Cuts" but have no clue on where those cuts are. The "Cuts" to the budget that are available amount to a fly fart in a hurricane, when our deficit is the hurricane.

I'd argue that we will not have a balanced budget any time soon; It's just not in the cards. If and when we do, some tax increases will be necessary to accomplish them.

We the People are what Platforms are supposed to be about. I know it's been a long time since We mattered at all, but it is something You need to get used to. When you want something of value, try to have something of value to give in return. As alien as the concept seems to you, it actually works very effectively. There is nothing You can do for Anyone Else with not having first acquired it on your own, be it by Theft, Mandate, or your Own Resources, Someone somewhere paid the price.

It's why they hate the libertarian concept of rights so much, they don't want to give a chance to a system where people give money out of their own hearts rather than have their money forcibly re-distributed by the government, nor do they want a system where stealing 13+ trillion dollars from the average American and giving it to their corporate and union sponsors is illegal.

 

[drsmith1072]

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.

Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.

OMG! Is the sky falling!

No... I guess not. Wow, we made a few wrong turns. What ever you do, don't do anything to fix it? Is that your platform?

uh actually he asked a valid question and you gave no real answer. Furthermore, according to many on the right, and some in this very thread, doing nothing is a good thing. LOL

 

[Two Thumbs]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? It is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

Not a whole lot you can do from just the House. As was thought, the GOP got the House, and made gains in the Senate. You still have 51or more seats in the Senate. So the best you can hope for is gridlock.

I don't expect the gop to magically become conservative over night.

 

[drsmith1072]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? It is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

They are good at stating vague generalitites but I seriously doubt that most of the responses that you get will have any specifics.

Yeah they won the majority in the house but now they actually have to do something, get specific about what they intend to do and how they intend to do it.

In the end it's going to be the same republicans in charge that were in charge last time they had power, so don't expect much to change.

That's where the change makes the difference. Thanks to the Tea Party Effect. Look at all those Governor's Seats changing hands. That's where the real change will come from.

So in other words, you still have NO specifics. Got it.

Thanks for proving my point. LOL

 

[Cuyo]

Or Government Agencies limit what they do to their Jurisdiction.
Or Government Salaries and Compensation adjust to Reason.
Or Government took the Fraud and Gouging out of Higher Education, rather than making lame excuses for it.
Or if Government Rooted Out Incompetence and Redundancy.

Like I said, gutting the entire discretionary budget will save about $610 Billion. Your suggestions, if executed with perfect precision, will save maybe $75 billion. The deficit is $1.3 Trillion.

There are hidden expenditures all over the place. I don't buy the cooked books for a second. They feed you the Shell Game or Three Card Monty, and you buy it, Hook, Line, and Sinker.

Have you noticed at all that no matter what happens to the economy, Government Salaries, Service Fee's, Taxes, and Surcharges still rise? Government has not only become a Parasite, it has out grown the Host. You just keep blaming the host. It fit's real well into the Progressive Scheme, which is to bleed us dry, take what it did not earn, and seek other grounds to feed off of.

That ain't true! Taxes are as low as they've every been. Where do you get this stuff?

 

[drsmith1072]

Cuts?

I mean..the stuff the Tea Party has put on the table really amounts to very little and does more harm then good in the long run.

-Cut the Department of Education? Oh goody..no national standards and buh bye to college grants.
-Cut OSHA? Yep back to the good old days of miners dropping like flies and people getting burned alive in factories.
-Cut the EPA? Well dirty water, tarnished earth and crappy air worked so well a century ago. Why not bring it back.
-Get rid of Social Security? Well you might save a bit of cash..but seniors who made a mistake or two would be back to living in squalor and dying in misery.
-Get rid of Medicare? Now your talking. That's a high ticket item. And it basically insures that the life span of Americans will be cut by a quarter.
-Get rid of Welfare? Well it's always a good idea for inner cities to deprive the improvished of any means of getting out of their holes. Good for the crime rate and prison industries too.

Even with all of this..we'd still be running deficits unless taxes were raised.

Or Military expenditures cut.

Or Government Agencies limit what they do to their Jurisdiction.
Or Government Salaries and Compensation adjust to Reason.
Or Government took the Fraud and Gouging out of Higher Education, rather than making lame excuses for it.
Or if Government Rooted Out Incompetence and Redundancy.

Do you have ANY specifics to offer??
"their jurisdiction?" What specifically does this refer to?
"adjust to reason?" What spcifics do you offer to show that said salaries and compesnation are UNreasonable?
"fraud and gouging?" What fraud and gouging are you referring to?
"rooted out incompetence and redundancy?" Like what??

 

[DiamondDave]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans.

Hope.. Change

'nuff said

 

[drsmith1072]

recessions come and go
most aren't accompanied by trillions in party give aways nicknamed stimulus.

Funny but republicans didn't seem to mind the stimulus money when they tried to take credit for what it had done. lol

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? it is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.

Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.

I already told your goofy ass. The uninsured can just stay uninsured. Health insurance isn't a right Nancy.

 

[Intense]

Like I said, gutting the entire discretionary budget will save about $610 Billion. Your suggestions, if executed with perfect precision, will save maybe $75 billion. The deficit is $1.3 Trillion.

There are hidden expenditures all over the place. I don't buy the cooked books for a second. They feed you the Shell Game or Three Card Monty, and you buy it, Hook, Line, and Sinker.

Have you noticed at all that no matter what happens to the economy, Government Salaries, Service Fee's, Taxes, and Surcharges still rise? Government has not only become a Parasite, it has out grown the Host. You just keep blaming the host. It fit's real well into the Progressive Scheme, which is to bleed us dry, take what it did not earn, and seek other grounds to feed off of.

That ain't true! Taxes are as low as they've every been. Where do you get this stuff?

News Flash, Your Taxes are hidden in Surcharges, Fee's Penalties, and Undisclosed Hidden Charges. The Government usually profits from every side of the equation when money changes hands. They benefit even when you die, like they were your silent partner your whole live. WTFU. This is about Power, Absolute Power and control over every aspect of your life, cradle to grave.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? it is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

And what will you say when none or most of what you say NEEDS to happen doesn't happen??

Furthermore, several on the right are against socialism and SS and medicare are socialist programs that many believe either need to be done away with, stripped away to almost nothing or privatized into nonexistence. So how can you honestly claim that "NO ONE" is going to cut them when a large portion of republicans are against such socialist big government programs??

It will happen.

Let's see a Republican concensus that they want to cut SS and/or medicare. It should be easy since you claim a large portion of them do.

 

[Intense]

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.

Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.

I already told your goofy ass. The uninsured can just stay uninsured. Health insurance isn't a right Nancy.

Yet, Emergency Room Services are available.

 

[drsmith1072]

Or Government Agencies limit what they do to their Jurisdiction.
Or Government Salaries and Compensation adjust to Reason.
Or Government took the Fraud and Gouging out of Higher Education, rather than making lame excuses for it.
Or if Government Rooted Out Incompetence and Redundancy.

Like I said, gutting the entire discretionary budget will save about $610 Billion. Your suggestions, if executed with perfect precision, will save maybe $75 billion. The deficit is $1.3 Trillion.

There are hidden expenditures all over the place. I don't buy the cooked books for a second. They feed you the Shell Game or Three Card Monty, and you buy it, Hook, Line, and Sinker.

Have you noticed at all that no matter what happens to the economy, Government Salaries, Service Fee's, Taxes, and Surcharges still rise? Government has not only become a Parasite, it has out grown the Host. You just keep blaming the host. It fit's real well into the Progressive Scheme, which is to bleed us dry, take what it did not earn, and seek other grounds to feed off of.

This coming from the poster who parrots right wing talking points after swallowing them swill hook, line, and sinker. LOL

Lot's of things go up in spite of the economy one of those is insurance premiums which have gone steadily up for yours and years but that didn't stop right wing hacks from trying to blame the recent increase on the healthcare bill now did it??

Face it, he called out your spin that won't do nearly enough and the best thing you have to offer is an atetmpt to spin it and blame "the progressive scheme" as you try to change and avoid the original subject.

 

[Cuyo]

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.

Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.

I already told your goofy ass. The uninsured can just stay uninsured. Health insurance isn't a right Nancy.

The HC bill does not provide taxpayer funded insurance. It is responsible for 0.0% of the current deficit. If your argument is that it will result in deficit in the future, speculate away. But so far you have not addressed the current deficit, not one bit.

Any other suggestions?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? it is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

What quid pro quo deal do you think the GOP can offer to the Dems that will make them go along with extending the tax cuts for billionaires, Lone?

Serious question.

If politics is the art of compromise (and it has to be given our division in Congress) what compromise do you belive the GOP can offer to the Dems?

The Dems want to keep their jobs in 2012. That's good incentive is you ask me.

No compromise, the house has Obama and the Senate over a barrel. Congress holds the purse strings.