Obama & The Iraqi Collapse

[Lumpy 1]

I tend to believe Iraq will fail and Obama/Democrats will be looking for someone to blame.

but.. we shall see

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An Iraqi leader Monday called for urgent talks to prevent the "collapse" of a unity government after its Sunni Vice President was barred from foreign travel in an unfolding crisis as US troops withdrew.

Barely a day after American forces completed their pullout, two of Iraq's main political blocs were at loggerheads, with Vice President Tareq al-Hashemi and Deputy Prime Minister Saleh al-Mutlak, both Sunni members of the secular Iraqiya bloc, coming under pressure from the Shiite-led authorities.

A judicial committee said on Monday that Hashemi was not allowed to leave the country, and several of his bodyguards have been detained in connection with terror attacks, while Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has moved for Mutlak to be sacked.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/~/NewsC...Iraq-leader-warns-of-political-collapse-.aspx

The very moment Republicans helped Iraqi's to make Islam the National Religion as stated in their constitution and put women in Burkas is the moment Iraq was declared a failure.

And "yes" Virginia, it really is "just that simple".

FROM 2005. Republicans controlled both houses, the presidency and had a majority in the Supreme Court. No way to squirm their way out of this one.

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

Full Text of Iraqi Constitution

What .. your post doesn't include "Obama is Black"...

mmm... am I on an alternate universe?.....

 

[paulitician]

Obama followed SOFA. He fulfilled our part of the agreement signed onto by Bush and the Iraq Government a few years back. We met our obligations as per the agreement. Obama did the right thing. This really isn't a partisan issue. It's their country. What will be will be. It's all up to the Iraqi People now.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Any failure in Iraq now will not be Obama's fault or Bush's fault.

Obama was successful in doing what he said he would do.....leave Iraq.

We left it with better promise than when we entered it.

What happens now is up to the Iraqis.

I dont believe Obama ever claimed that when we leave, it will stay free and sovereign.

He did what 54% of the people voted for him to do. Leave.

I will debate anyone who starts off with the "see, Obama screwed it all up" rhetoric.

We have more important fish to fry.

So you would be willing to present another list on why you feel, Obama didn't screw it up then?

I'd be willing to read your list....

 

[The T]

Wait a second here mmm... maybe he didn't, perhaps he just said he fulfilled his campaign promise and left it at that, regardless of victory..I'll have to read up on that..

More to the point? He never supported victory on any front...

Obama Takes Credit for Success of the "Dumb War" in Iraq

Why does Rush make it seem like he's interviewing Obama?

Because of your inability to read in context on the subject matter, moron.

 

[rdean]

I tend to believe Iraq will fail and Obama/Democrats will be looking for someone to blame.

but.. we shall see

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An Iraqi leader Monday called for urgent talks to prevent the "collapse" of a unity government after its Sunni Vice President was barred from foreign travel in an unfolding crisis as US troops withdrew.

Barely a day after American forces completed their pullout, two of Iraq's main political blocs were at loggerheads, with Vice President Tareq al-Hashemi and Deputy Prime Minister Saleh al-Mutlak, both Sunni members of the secular Iraqiya bloc, coming under pressure from the Shiite-led authorities.

A judicial committee said on Monday that Hashemi was not allowed to leave the country, and several of his bodyguards have been detained in connection with terror attacks, while Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has moved for Mutlak to be sacked.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/~/NewsC...Iraq-leader-warns-of-political-collapse-.aspx

The very moment Republicans helped Iraqi's to make Islam the National Religion as stated in their constitution and put women in Burkas is the moment Iraq was declared a failure.

And "yes" Virginia, it really is "just that simple".

FROM 2005. Republicans controlled both houses, the presidency and had a majority in the Supreme Court. No way to squirm their way out of this one.

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

Full Text of Iraqi Constitution

What .. your post doesn't include "Obama is Black"...

mmm... am I on an alternate universe?.....

You did it for me. See?

 

[rdean]

Obama followed SOFA. He fulfilled our part of the agreement signed onto by Bush and the Iraq Government a few years back. We met our obligations as per the agreement. Obama did the right thing. This really isn't a partisan issue. It's their country. What will be will be. It's all up to the Iraqi People now.

Clearly, Republicans don't understand how government works. How many times have they said such things as, "Obama's president, he could have left at any time" or some such.

Obama was even stuck with the Bush budget for nearly 10 months after he was sworn in.

It's amazing how much "lame ducks" can do. Look at what the Republican Lame Duck congress did to the Post Office in 2006. One of the sleaziest things ever.

 

[Mustang]

Can anyone (or everyone) name the ONE event that precipitated this whole mess?

It was the March 20, 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Hell, even >I< knew what a boneheaded move that was because I knew about Shiite versus Sunni Muslim rivalry. I also knew that the invasion was a dream come true for Iran because they would see the regional bulwark of Iraq seriously weakened, thereby strengthening Iran's power and influence in the region and beyond.

I remember telling a friend of mine that, at best, Bush was attacking the wrong country since Iran was a far greater threat to the US than Iraq ever would be.

All of that is still as true today as it was almost 9 years ago.

 

[paulitician]

Obama followed SOFA. He fulfilled our part of the agreement signed onto by Bush and the Iraq Government a few years back. We met our obligations as per the agreement. Obama did the right thing. This really isn't a partisan issue. It's their country. What will be will be. It's all up to the Iraqi People now.

Clearly, Republicans don't understand how government works. How many times have they said such things as, "Obama's president, he could have left at any time" or some such.

Obama was even stuck with the Bush budget for nearly 10 months after he was sworn in.

It's amazing how much "lame ducks" can do. Look at what the Republican Lame Duck congress did to the Post Office in 2006. One of the sleaziest things ever.

Well like i said,this isn't a partisan issue. Obama just followed the existing agreement agreed to by Bush and the Iraq Government. Most don't realize that it was SOFA that ended the Iraq War. Obama did what was required of him. It's time for the Iraqis to do their own thing. If they want more War,than so be it. That's their call now.

 

[ekrem]

Can anyone (or everyone) name the ONE event that precipitated this whole mess?

It was the March 20, 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Hell, even >I< knew what a boneheaded move that was because I knew about Shiite versus Sunni Muslim rivalry. I also knew that the invasion was a dream come true for Iran because they would see the regional bulwark of Iraq seriously weakened, thereby strengthening Iran's power and influence in the region and beyond.

I remember telling a friend of mine that, at best, Bush was attacking the wrong country since Iran was a far greater threat to the US than Iraq ever would be.

All of that is still as true today as it was almost 9 years ago.

After Desert Storm Iraq was neither a bulkward against Iran nor any threat to the world.
In Iraq where established no-fly zones in the North and South, and Iraq was under sanctions.

Iran's rise has been primarily fueled by exploding oil and gas prices. Apart from the speculators, a direct cause of Iraq-War.
Oil price has quadrupled since 2002
HISTORY OF CRUDE OIL PRICES

 

[rdean]

Bush and Cheney's friends were the only ones that profited from the Iraqi war.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Bush and Cheney's friends were the only ones that profited from the Iraqi war.

Would you stake your life on that statement or just your integrity....?

 

[paulitician]

We sure spent a whole lot of blood & treasure creating Freedom & Democracy over there. Well here it is. Iraq has the freedom to choose their own path. Now who knows what that path will be though? I guess we'll see if all that blood & treasure was worth it. I know how i feel on that already. Time will tell the true story in the end. But Iraq is for Iraqis,not Americans.

 

[Lumpy 1]

We sure spent a whole lot of blood & treasure creating Freedom & Democracy over there. Well here it is. Iraq has the freedom to choose their own path. Now who knows what that path will be though? I guess we'll see if all that blood & treasure was worth it. I know how i feel on that already. Time will tell the true story in the end. But Iraq is for Iraqis,not Americans.

I'm pretty sure every American wanted us out of Iraq. It's more of a matter of how and when...

You're satisfied with the how and when then..?

 

[The T]

Bush and Cheney's friends were the only ones that profited from the Iraqi war.

Would you stake your life on that statement or just your integrity....?

In his case? He's content on stoopery...He doesn't care.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Well, just a little more info...

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BAGHDAD — The United States is still pursuing an agreement with the government of Iraq that could provide defense contractors working for the U.S. State Department with some legal protections in 2012, U.S. embassy and military officials said last week.

While diplomats and servicemembers working for the State Department are shielded by diplomatic immunity from prosecution under Iraqi law, the thousands of private contractors who will be working for the agency in have no such protections.

Contractors have lacked immunity from Iraqi law since 2009, when a new status of forces agreement excluded them.

However, with the pullout of the remaining 50,000 troops from Iraq this year, contractors say they now feel more vulnerable to danger, both from potentially corrupt Iraqi police and from anti-American groups.

“You have to cross a major Iraqi road and, should the [Iraqi police or Iraqi army] decide, they might begin detaining American personnel,” said one contractor, who asked for anonymity because his company has not authorized him to speak publicly.

It remains unclear whether a new agreement could include immunity, an idea which is highly unpopular in Iraq. Talks over allowing thousands of U.S. troops to remain in Iraq in 2012 collapsed in October after it became clear that Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki wouldn’t be able push immunity for troops through an Iraqi parliament vote.

U.S. pursuing legal protections for contractors still in Iraq - News - Stripes

 

[francoHFW]

Any chance the ADD dupes can wait and see, or do you roll over for any RW propaganda, in this case Alqaeda's? Pfffft!

 

[Lumpy 1]

Any chance the ADD dupes can wait and see, or do you roll over for any RW propaganda, in this case Alqaeda's? Pfffft!

What RW propaganda are you talking about.. just wondering?

 

[paulitician]

We sure spent a whole lot of blood & treasure creating Freedom & Democracy over there. Well here it is. Iraq has the freedom to choose their own path. Now who knows what that path will be though? I guess we'll see if all that blood & treasure was worth it. I know how i feel on that already. Time will tell the true story in the end. But Iraq is for Iraqis,not Americans.

I'm pretty sure every American wanted us out of Iraq. It's more of a matter of how and when...

You're satisfied with the how and when then..?

Yes. SOFA was agreed to a few years back by both parties. So i'm very satisifed. Now was it all worth it? Some will say yes and some will say no. Only time will tell in the end. But i'm glad we're out of there.

 

[The T]

Any chance the ADD dupes can wait and see, or do you roll over for any RW propaganda, in this case Alqaeda's? Pfffft!

What RW propaganda are you talking about.. just wondering?

He doesn't know himself.

 

[The T]

We sure spent a whole lot of blood & treasure creating Freedom & Democracy over there. Well here it is. Iraq has the freedom to choose their own path. Now who knows what that path will be though? I guess we'll see if all that blood & treasure was worth it. I know how i feel on that already. Time will tell the true story in the end. But Iraq is for Iraqis,not Americans.

I'm pretty sure every American wanted us out of Iraq. It's more of a matter of how and when...

You're satisfied with the how and when then..?

Yes. SOFA was agreed to a few years back by both parties. So i'm very satisifed. Now was it all worth it? Some will say yes and some will say no. Only time will tell in the end. But i'm glad we're out of there.

Blood and treasure...wasted I'm afraid...