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a strategy for getting Iran to feel less threatened
Iran is never going to be a "good citizen." Don't be naïve.Yeah because appeasment will work betterIt will just be more proxy wars..
Appeasement isn't the answer, but perhaps a strategy for getting Iran to feel less threatened so they can rejoin the international community as a good citizen.
Iran is never going to be a "good citizen." Don't be naïve.Yeah because appeasment will work betterIt will just be more proxy wars..
Appeasement isn't the answer, but perhaps a strategy for getting Iran to feel less threatened so they can rejoin the international community as a good citizen.
a strategy for getting Iran to feel less threatened
Iran isn't threatened by anyone (with the possible exception of Iraq). The ayatollahs and politicians of Iran use the illusion of a external threat as an excuse to subjugate the population.
It's a very common practice in dictatorial regimes. North Korea has been using it for 70 years.
Iran is never going to be a "good citizen." Don't be naïve.Yeah because appeasment will work betterIt will just be more proxy wars..
Appeasement isn't the answer, but perhaps a strategy for getting Iran to feel less threatened so they can rejoin the international community as a good citizen.
Maybe you should understand why Hezbollah came into existence.
Maybe you should understand why Hezbollah came into existence.
Hezbollah came into existence for precisely the same reasons as Hamas, and The Taliban, and ISIS, and the PLO, and every one of those groups ... there is money in fanaticism for those who can rally disaffected fanatics to their cause.
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another installment of islamo-nazi propaganda. Nothing new. The stuff I read in the 1950sMaybe you should understand why Hezbollah came into existence.
Hezbollah came into existence for precisely the same reasons as Hamas, and The Taliban, and ISIS, and the PLO, and every one of those groups ... there is money in fanaticism for those who can rally disaffected fanatics to their cause.
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Be honest for a change. Hezbollah came into existence because Israel couldn't leave Lebanon alone since the early 1950s. HAMAS was Israel's baby. They supported its founding as a foil against the PLO.
^^^^^^ Typical islamo nazi threatSaudi Arabia and neighbors join Israel in backing Trump against Iran, just as others turn away
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TRUMP'S ALLIANCE AGAINST IRAN: SAUDI ARABIA AND PARTNERS JOIN ISRAEL IN SUPPORTING U.S. AS OTHERS TURN AWAY
BY TOM O'CONNOR ON 9/25/18 AT 4:04 PM
Donald Trump Blasts Iran During UN Speech
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While President Donald Trump condemned Iran in his address Tuesday to the United Nations General Assembly, a small but influential group of countries gathered elsewhere in New York City in an attempt to rally support for an increasingly controversial cause among the international community.
The foreign ministers of Saudi Arabia and Yemen, the ambassadors of Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates to Washington and the director of Israel's Mossad spy agency were among those who spoke alongside two of President Donald Trump's most senior officials at the 2018 United Against Nuclear Iran summit. These five U.S.-backed countries have accused Iran of interfering in their respective internal affairs and were among the few world powers to welcome Trump's decision to unilaterally abandon a 2015 multinational deal by which Iran agreed to denuclearize in exchange for a lifting of sanctions.
At a time when traditional U.S. allies France, Germany and the U.K.–all of which also signed the nuclear deal–were working alongside China and Russia to counter U.S. sanctions against Iran, this Middle Eastern quintet has formed the core of foreign support for Trump's hardline stance against the revolutionary Shiite Muslim power. UAE ambassador to the U.S. Yousef al-Otaiba said Tuesday that the Iranian threat was existential.
"We have paid the price more than anyone else in our part of the world," Otaiba said, sitting on a panel beside State Department director of policy planning Brian Hook and Saudi Foreign Minister Adel bin Ahmed al-Jubeir. "The Gulf countries, Israel and the countries in the immediate vicinity are the ones at immediate risk."
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President Donald Trump (C), Saudi Arabia's King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud (R) and Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan (L) pose with regional leaders for a group photo during the Arab Islamic American Summit at the King Abdulaziz Conference Center in Riyadh on May 21, 2017. The U.S., the Arabian Peninsula powers and Israel are stepping up pressure on Iran to curb its regional activities.MANDEL NGAN/AFP/GETTY IMAGES
While the four Arabian Peninsula states do not recognize or maintain relations with Israel, their mutual enmity for the leadership in Tehran has forged an informal coalition. Otaiba himself reportedly met Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a chance encounter in Washington in May, during which both men discussed their country's positions on Iran, according to the Associated Press.
Bahrain, a majority-Shiite Muslim island state ruled by a Sunni Muslim monarchy with close ties to neighboring Saudi Arabia, went so far as to publicly back Israel's right to defend itself via a social media statement by its top diplomat in March. Having accused Iran of funding a Shiite Muslim insurgency in his country, Bahraini envoy to the U.S. Sheikh Abdullah bin Rashed bin Abdullah Al Khalifa reaffirmed this statement on Tuesday.
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"Some of you might recall our foreign minister tweeted a few months ago and said that every country has the right to defend itself, including Israel," Sheikh Abdullah said.
Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution that ousted a CIA-reinstalled absolute monarchy, Iran's growing presence in the region has created major concerns for Saudi Arabia and Israel. The staunch U.S. allies have been at odds since Israel's 1948 creation, which prompted the mass displacement of Palestinians and a series of Arab-Israeli wars, but reports have suggested that two have become increasingly close in the face of a common foe, especially as Riyadh's regional clout has fallen in Iran's favor in countries such as Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and Yemen.
"This is a regime the only way one can deal with them is by pressuring them and by forcing them to change," Jubeir told the conference Tuesday, accusing Tehran of sponsoring terrorism, cyber attacks, ethnic cleansing projects and of supporting a group of Zaidi Shiite Muslim rebels, known as Ansar Allah or the Houthi movement, which he said have fired up to 197 ballistic missiles at Saudi Arabia.
Jubeir left the event without taking questions and Israeli Mossad Director Yossi Cohen's comments at the following panel were off the record.
Iran and Saudi Arabia are locked in a battle for regional supremacy, fighting proxy wars in multiple countries across the Middle East.REUTERS
As a Saudi-led coalition—which includes Bahrain and the UAE—bombs the Houthis in Yemen, Israeli warplanes blast alleged Iranian and pro-Iran positions fighting on behalf of resurgent government forces in Syria. Both Saudi Arabia and Israel have backed Syrian rebels attempting to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, an ally of Iran and Russia. Israeli officials have called for Saudi Arabia and its regional allies to openly work together with their country against Iran. Last month, a report surfaced suggesting Saudi Arabia acquired the Iron Dome missile defense system, which Israel uses to block rocket attacks from Palestinian and Lebanese groups sponsored by Iran. The Israeli Defense Ministry reportedly denied the report.
While the true extent of their alignment remains the source of reports and speculation, Israel and Saudi Arabia's anti-Iran postures have been emboldened by the Trump administration. The U.S. leader followed up his fiery debut at the U.N. General Assembly last year with another verbal assault on Tehran, calling it a "corrupt dictatorship" whose leaders "sow chaos, death, and disruption."
"They do not respect their neighbors or borders, or the sovereign rights of nations. Instead, Iran’s leaders plunder the nation's resources to enrich themselves and to spread mayhem across the Middle East and far beyond," he said. "The Iranian people are rightly outraged that their leaders have embezzled billions of dollars from Iran’s treasury, seized valuable portions of the economy, and looted the religious endowments, all to line their own pockets and send their proxies to wage war."
Iran has been keen to point out the perceived growing ties between the U.S., Israel and Saudi Arabia and dismissed their accusations, accusing them of conspiring to destabilize the country and the region. The Iranian position has been reinforced by its success in tackling the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) alongside Iraqi government forces backed by the U.S. and Syrian government forces opposed by Washington. In Syria, Iran-backed militias have deployedalongside Syria's armed forces around Idlib, the final province under the control of an Islamist-led insurgency.
France, Germany and the U.K. have joined the U.S. in cautioning Syria and its Iranian and Russian allies from pursuing an all-out offensive in Idlib, but have split with the Trump administration on punishing Iran economically for its involvement in the Middle East and development of ballistic missiles.
France's Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian (R) takes part in a bilateral meeting with Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in the French Mission to the United Nations on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly in New York on September 24. The foreign ministers of France, Germany and the U.K. as well as the EU reached a deal with Iran to establish an alternate payment system to avoid U.S. sanctions.MANDEL NGAN/AFP/GETTY IMAGES
France, the EU, Germany and the U.K. have been deeply critical of the U.S. decision to leave the Iran deal, which came after the International Atomic Energy Agency affirmed Tehran's adherence on multiple occasions and followed U.S. exits from other international agreements. A day before Trump's U.N. address and the United Against Nuclear Iran conference, the foreign ministers of these transatlantic powers met with their Russian, Chinese and Iranian counterparts to discuss saving a nuclear deal that no longer protects the beleaguered Iranian economy from heavy U.S. sanctions.
EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini announced Monday alongside Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif that China, the EU, France, Germany, Russia and the U.K. would establish an alternative payment to dodge U.S. sanctions against companies doing business with Iran.
German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas previously made a similar suggestion last month, arguing that Europe had to step up and "counterbalance" the U.S. when it "crosses red lines." Experts have suggested that such a move could have a major impact on U.S. global influence, as China and Russia were vying with the West for international authority and European powers were growing frustrated with the direction of Trump's foreign policy.
"The United States makes its decisions based on its national security interests, other parties to the plan of action need to make their decisions based on the capacities of their nations," Hook told the summit Tuesday when asked about the positions of China, the EU, France, Germany, Russia and the U.K.
The sanctions against Iran are not having the effect of driving Iran to the negotiating table.
Bolton has recently indicated he finds regime-change a realistic future for Iran.
You Americans, you do realize that you're giving muslim terror recruiters everything they need to get new fighters and (financial, verbal, material) supporters for the next few decades, if you continue to plunge the economy of Iran into a big mess like you did in Iraq, which led to the rise of ISIS and a related increase in 'small' muslim terror attacks (with cars, with knives) in the west?
And i suspect most of the new hatred generated in the Iran region by this Trump policy, will be pointed at Americans less well protected than Trump himself (even after his presidency, which you should end asap).
And Zionism tooMaybe you should understand why Hezbollah came into existence.
Hezbollah came into existence for precisely the same reasons as Hamas, and The Taliban, and ISIS, and the PLO, and every one of those groups ... there is money in fanaticism for those who can rally disaffected fanatics to their cause.
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The trump sanctions are workingIran is never going to be a "good citizen." Don't be naïve.Yeah because appeasment will work betterIt will just be more proxy wars..
Appeasement isn't the answer, but perhaps a strategy for getting Iran to feel less threatened so they can rejoin the international community as a good citizen.
America has never faced an ally as fanatical as Japan in the 2nd World War. Dedicated soldiers who would commit suicide as an alternative to surrender. Japan launch more suicide attacks at Allied Forces in the last years of World War II than Islamic countries have in the past 30 years.
Now Japan is a model citizen in the fraternity of nations. To bring about such a change took a complete restructuring of the Japanese leadership and the removal on the fanatical element. But, it the volteface was accomplished in only a few years.
I believe the same thing could happen in Iran, if the fanatics running the country could be removed. As a people, Individually, Iranians are friendly, generous, and hospitable to a fault, as are many from the Arab/Persian culture.
It's only when they are influenced by fanatical leaders that they start acting like a sack full of glue-sniffing civet cats.
do you expect Iran to admit sponsoring Hamas?Whereever this thread came from, I just hope Biden's admin links removing sanctions to Iran not sponsoring Hamas or any other group
If the theocracy were overthrown, I would consider it a different country for all practical purposes...., if the fanatics running the country could be removed. ....
Wtf?Iran is never going to be a "good citizen." Don't be naïve.Yeah because appeasment will work betterIt will just be more proxy wars..
Appeasement isn't the answer, but perhaps a strategy for getting Iran to feel less threatened so they can rejoin the international community as a good citizen.
Why not? Even Saudi Arabia is trying to mend the relationship with Iran. Up until 1979 Israel bought all its oil from Iran. .. and there were many Jewish Iranians who had lived in Iran since it was Persia.
So what? Remove sanctions cuz you're a pussy?
Yeah because appeasment will work betterIt will just be more proxy wars..
The US isn't involved?As long as the US isn't involved, let the locals slug it out.
The US is forcing the whole world to go along with that stupid version of a sanctions program.
The only thing 'stupid' about Iran sanctions is they they allow food and medicine to come in.
Sanctions need to absolute.
No one is "forced" to go along. They want to because it is right.The US isn't involved?As long as the US isn't involved, let the locals slug it out.
The US is forcing the whole world to go along with that stupid version of a sanctions program.
The only thing 'stupid' about Iran sanctions is they they allow food and medicine to come in.
Sanctions need to absolute.
Sanctions need to be smart and flexible, not absolute.
If you make them absolute, you foster massive amounts of hatred. And in this case, far outside Iran as well. Even in Europe, against Europeans, for going along with your absolute sanctions program. You forcing your allies to go along with your sanctions program is going to back fire big time on the 3 to 20, 30 year time-scales.
links, please. especially about money given by the Saudis to groups who kill US soldiers..
