Oddball
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How do people still believe Obama did any work on his own in college and law school? How?
Call Kurt Vonnegut and tell him I stopped payment on the check!
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How do people still believe Obama did any work on his own in college and law school? How?
Charles, you're using a lefto weirdo tactic my friend, just take your lumps, admit your error and move on. Don't fall into their game. mistakes happen.
LOL now you are calling me a lefto? Dude I do not dispute that they saw some Benefit from the Bail outs, I am simply stating they might have Benefited Even more if We had allowed Chrysler and GM to go through Bankruptcy.
IMO there is a very good chance they could have. People who were afraid to buy a car from one of the Company's in Bankruptcy, Would have had to turn to Ford, if they wanted to Buy American. They could have Gained a Huge Chunk of the Market Share. Plain and simple. Any Business person being honest can see that, It simply is not a very Nice thing to Talk about
I am not wrong about the real purpose of the Auto Bail outs, and if you do not agree, then you my friends are the Lefto.. We have bankruptcy laws for a reason. GM and Chrysler could have used them, and Cut out the Dead meat, became slimmer and more efficient and came out the other side better for it.
But the Democrats could not have that, Because Bankruptcy would have given GM and Chrysler immense power to Renegotiate Union contracts.
That is the Reason the Dems bailed them out instead of letting them Go through Bankruptcy. Plain and simple. Agree with me or not, that is a Fact IMO.
No, you misread my post. I said the tactic of pretending what was said wasn't said is a leftie tactic and you shouldn't be using it.
LOL now you are calling me a lefto? Dude I do not dispute that they saw some Benefit from the Bail outs, I am simply stating they might have Benefited Even more if We had allowed Chrysler and GM to go through Bankruptcy.
IMO there is a very good chance they could have. People who were afraid to buy a car from one of the Company's in Bankruptcy, Would have had to turn to Ford, if they wanted to Buy American. They could have Gained a Huge Chunk of the Market Share. Plain and simple. Any Business person being honest can see that, It simply is not a very Nice thing to Talk about
I am not wrong about the real purpose of the Auto Bail outs, and if you do not agree, then you my friends are the Lefto.. We have bankruptcy laws for a reason. GM and Chrysler could have used them, and Cut out the Dead meat, became slimmer and more efficient and came out the other side better for it.
But the Democrats could not have that, Because Bankruptcy would have given GM and Chrysler immense power to Renegotiate Union contracts.
That is the Reason the Dems bailed them out instead of letting them Go through Bankruptcy. Plain and simple. Agree with me or not, that is a Fact IMO.
No, you misread my post. I said the tactic of pretending what was said wasn't said is a leftie tactic and you shouldn't be using it.
I did not pretend what was said was not said. I am well aware of what he said. What I said is he might be being Diplomatic, or making political Considerations with his answer. He might not be telling the whole story of what he thinks.
Look man, You can not deny that FORD might have been able to Gain significant Market share, and Benefit from Chrysler and GM renegotiating Contracts, as they might have had leverage then for their own. Those are undeniable facts IMO. He simply did not state them.
it's all about perception.
after trying to convince the american public that your $800 billion stimulus bill was a success despite employment going above what you said it would without it
now you're telling people that one of the reasons why ford (hte company who didn't take the bailout) is doing so well is because its less profitable competitors did take the bailout.
it's a completely valid argument, that unfortunately for obama, the american people just don't want to hear.
it's all about perception.
after trying to convince the american public that your $800 billion stimulus bill was a success despite employment going above what you said it would without it
now you're telling people that one of the reasons why ford (hte company who didn't take the bailout) is doing so well is because its less profitable competitors did take the bailout.
it's a completely valid argument, that unfortunately for obama, the american people just don't want to hear.
it's all about perception.
after trying to convince the american public that your $800 billion stimulus bill was a success despite employment going above what you said it would without it
now you're telling people that one of the reasons why ford (hte company who didn't take the bailout) is doing so well is because its less profitable competitors did take the bailout.
it's a completely valid argument, that unfortunately for obama, the american people just don't want to hear.
Ford isn't and wasn't profitable, just so you know.
it's all about perception.
after trying to convince the american public that your $800 billion stimulus bill was a success despite employment going above what you said it would without it
now you're telling people that one of the reasons why ford (hte company who didn't take the bailout) is doing so well is because its less profitable competitors did take the bailout.
it's a completely valid argument, that unfortunately for obama, the american people just don't want to hear.
Um, er, hmmm, um, yeah, sure, if I stand on my head and snort a quart of vodka through my nose it almost looks like you're starting to make a lick of sense.
English is not your first language and sanity is just a fallback position, right?
it's all about perception.
after trying to convince the american public that your $800 billion stimulus bill was a success despite employment going above what you said it would without it
now you're telling people that one of the reasons why ford (hte company who didn't take the bailout) is doing so well is because its less profitable competitors did take the bailout.
it's a completely valid argument, that unfortunately for obama, the american people just don't want to hear.
Um, er, hmmm, um, yeah, sure, if I stand on my head and snort a quart of vodka through my nose it almost looks like you're starting to make a lick of sense.
English is not your first language and sanity is just a fallback position, right?
the obama administration has spent months telling us that the stimulus was a success. a lot of americans are scratching their heads. they see unemployment at 9.5% and are thinking to themselves, "how are these guys defining success?"
now they are trying to link the success of ford with the bailouts of gm and chrysler. my point is, no matter how valid the argument, americans don't want to hear it.
sorry if that doesn't make sense to you.
In an internal memo sent to Ford dealers in New York, the automaker laid out a new incentive that would pay current owners of Dodge, Chrysler or Jeep vehicles an extra $1,000 in addition to whatever Customer Cash, Bonus Cash and 0% APR is already available to trade in their current rides for a new SUV, pickup or crossover from Ford.
a bankruptcy at either General Motors or Chrysler could put a major dent in Ford's own perilous financial footing.
Um, er, hmmm, um, yeah, sure, if I stand on my head and snort a quart of vodka through my nose it almost looks like you're starting to make a lick of sense.
English is not your first language and sanity is just a fallback position, right?
the obama administration has spent months telling us that the stimulus was a success. a lot of americans are scratching their heads. they see unemployment at 9.5% and are thinking to themselves, "how are these guys defining success?"
now they are trying to link the success of ford with the bailouts of gm and chrysler. my point is, no matter how valid the argument, americans don't want to hear it.
sorry if that doesn't make sense to you.
It makes no sense because it makes no sense, it has nothing to do with me.
The Stimulus was an Epic Fail by any metric.
In a stunning display of this administrations lack of understanding of business. The white house is claiming that even though ford did not take any money, They benefited from the Bail out of Chrysler and GM.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/us/politics/06obama.html
White House officials countered that Ford benefited from the industry bailout even though it did not accept aid itself, because the federal money kept a network of suppliers in business. They also pointed to the industrywide boost from the governments cash-for-clunkers program, which used tax credits to encourage consumers to trade in older, more polluting cars for new models last year.
Once again Obama does not understand business at all. Ford would have seen much more benefit if one or both of it's competitors were allowed to fail instead of propped up by the government.
I hope people are not falling for this line of BS.
it's all about perception.
after trying to convince the american public that your $800 billion stimulus bill was a success despite employment going above what you said it would without it
now you're telling people that one of the reasons why ford (hte company who didn't take the bailout) is doing so well is because its less profitable competitors did take the bailout.
it's a completely valid argument, that unfortunately for obama, the american people just don't want to hear.
Ford isn't and wasn't profitable, just so you know.
ford was rescued by the obama administration from their worst financial crisis since the great depression
How so? they did not need any money
Is the piece of shit now going to claim jobs and saved jobs and tie himself to the gun industry?
After all many people went out and purchase plenty of guns that would not have.