Obama on 60 Minutes

[bigdaddygtr]

Last night proved that if you like him, then you thought he did well. If you hate him(like the Cons on this board make painfully obvious), then you thought he sucked.

But any of you that thought he was terrible, to me, prove just how fucking crazy you are. There is no way, after 8 years of a fucking chimpanzee as a president, you can't say that its refreshing to hear someone actually use complete sentences and vocabulary that many in the audience probably don't know. He's actually RAISING the bar, not lowering it like the chimp did

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Last night proved that if you like him, then you thought he did well. If you hate him(like the Cons on this board make painfully obvious), then you thought he sucked.

I neither like him or dislike him. I think he's a brilliant man and I have alot of respect for what he's done at only 47 years of age. He didn't "suck" on 60 Minutes, he simply in my opinion didn't do himself any favors. It was a push. He's been much better in most every other venue he's been in.

The Obamaphiles worship anything and everything he says or does. Obama haters crap on anything and everything he says or does. Fair-minded people take a rational, dispassionate view of everything he says or does.

See the difference?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Last night proved that if you like him, then you thought he did well. If you hate him(like the Cons on this board make painfully obvious), then you thought he sucked.

But any of you that thought he was terrible, to me, prove just how fucking crazy you are. There is no way, after 8 years of a fucking chimpanzee as a president, you can't say that its refreshing to hear someone actually use complete sentences and vocabulary that many in the audience probably don't know. He's actually RAISING the bar, not lowering it like the chimp did

Obama is just the new chimp in town as far as I'm, concerned. I have no faith is his bigger and bigger, more expensive government or his cap and trade (trap and rape) tax schemes, his ideas that one should not be able to earn as much as humanly and legally possible attitude.

None of this is inspiring to anyone who sees that under the guise of fairness that we are having our liberties eroded one by one. We will soon not be able to exhale without the government wanting some sort of tax from us.

 

[driveby]

I think all that smiling and laughter really made some people angry, especially if you are one of the unemployed and you are losing your home.

And you think he can fix thirty years of bad policy in a few weeks? Or his few weeks are to blame for thirty years of bad policy? Rather weird all this whining so early.

you're a freakin MORON ..... (where's divecon when you need him ?)

 

[Xenophon]

What happened, Letterman wouldn't return his call?

 

[Toro]

Of course it is. I talked to a couple of Wall Street desks today. Obama implying he would veto the bill is having an effect.

That has nothing to do with his appearance on 60 Minutes. He said that several times last Thursday and Friday.

I was tracking the futures prices.

If he did say it on Thursday and Friday, I didn't hear it, and neither did many of my colleagues. That means that those of us who do this for a living missed it. Can you post a link with him saying that? I'd be interested in seeing it.

Here is the intra-day Bloomberg chart for the near-month S&P500 futures contract, which starts trading every Sunday night.

60 Minutes was preempted by basketball. It started just before 8pm on the east coast. The market was trading sideways. Then the market spiked when he implied he opposed the tax and began moving higher. As soon as I heard him say that, I knew exactly what would happen. The Nikkei in Japan also spiked higher.

I don't know why anyone would argue this point. The market was selling off last week when the House passed the bill. So if it looked like it would fail, one would think the market would move higher.

 

[American Horse]

This is about "Human Nature", not so much about Obama's appearance on 60 Minutes which is running paralell on this Forum.

Why does Obama laugh so inappropriately?
When I see someone laugh in an atmosphere of absolute seriousness, I’m given to wonder about what’s going on in their head at that moment. Bush was hugely criticized because of his occasional smirk. It was the smirk said to your questioner, “Are you dead serious with this damned question?”.... and all that that sentiment implied about his questioners/interviewers. But there seems to be some other meaning about this display of inappropriate laughing. He seems to be overwhelmed by laughter, almost to the point of giggling. But giggling implies nervousness, and Obama is the “coolest” of operators.

As CBS News' Steve Kroft noted in a 60 Minutes talk with Obama last night that just 18 percent of those surveyed support it, Obama said with a laugh: "It's not a high number.''
"You're sitting here. And you are laughing,'' Kroft said. "You are laughing about some of these problems. Are people gonna look at this and say, 'I mean, he's sitting there just making jokes about money.' How do you deal with, I mean, explain the...mood and your laughter... Are you punch drunk?"

"No, no. There's gotta be a little gallows humor to get you through the day," the president explained. "You know, sometimes my team talks about the fact that if you had said to us a year ago that the least of my problems would be Iraq, which is still a pretty serious problem, I don't think anybody would have believed it. But we've got a lot on our plate. And a lot of difficult decisions that we're gonna have to make."

Imagine someone at a funeral; say a family member, and in that most serious of circumstances finds a great deal of humor in the situation. At first you might be a little startled. Then you might wonder, what is going on in this persons mind?

There is something in Obama’s laughter, like that of a consumate game player, which says that he is happy with the situation he finds himself in. Shouldn’t we ask ourselves, what is really going on in Obama’s mind?

Here’s the full interview; about 20 minutes in length, with both video and printed text.

 

[Paulie]

He might as we get into his 2012 campaign.

Yeah, amidst an economic crisis and what we should do with 150,000 troops in a winding down war, he should devote his time to making sure he wins another election 1/4 of the way into his first of four years.

 

[wihosa]

Yeah, why don't you just kep on asking yourself.

Meanwhile the rest of us will stop trying to make the President fail and support the only plan we have. If the Repubs don't think that this is the right plan, then they should come up with an alternative.

Oh, that's right, they don't have an alternative, they can just say NO!

 

[Pyrite]

Maybe he laughs because he's FUCKING NERVOUS? I'd be more worried if he wasn't. The future of our country hangs in the balance, and to see that the pressure is having an effect on his composure is a good sign that he's taking it as seriously as it deserves to be taken.

 

[Luissa]

This is about "Human Nature", not so much about Obama's appearance on 60 Minutes which is running paralell on this Forum.

Why does Obama laugh so inappropriately?
When I see someone laugh in an atmosphere of absolute seriousness, I’m given to wonder about what’s going on in their head at that moment. Bush was hugely criticized because of his occasional smirk. It was the smirk said to your questioner, “Are you dead serious with this damned question?”.... and all that that sentiment implied about his questioners/interviewers. But there seems to be some other meaning about this display of inappropriate laughing. He seems to be overwhelmed by laughter, almost to the point of giggling. But giggling implies nervousness, and Obama is the “coolest” of operators.

As CBS News' Steve Kroft noted in a 60 Minutes talk with Obama last night that just 18 percent of those surveyed support it, Obama said with a laugh: "It's not a high number.''
"You're sitting here. And you are laughing,'' Kroft said. "You are laughing about some of these problems. Are people gonna look at this and say, 'I mean, he's sitting there just making jokes about money.' How do you deal with, I mean, explain the...mood and your laughter... Are you punch drunk?"

"No, no. There's gotta be a little gallows humor to get you through the day," the president explained. "You know, sometimes my team talks about the fact that if you had said to us a year ago that the least of my problems would be Iraq, which is still a pretty serious problem, I don't think anybody would have believed it. But we've got a lot on our plate. And a lot of difficult decisions that we're gonna have to make."

Imagine someone at a funeral; say a family member, and in that most serious of circumstances finds a great deal of humor in the situation. At first you might be a little startled. Then you might wonder, what is going on in this persons mind?

There is something in Obama’s laughter, like that of a consumate game player, which says that he is happy with the situation he finds himself in. Shouldn’t we ask ourselves, what is really going on in Obama’s mind?

Here’s the full interview; about 20 minutes in length, with both video and printed text.

When I was arrested at 22 and had to spend the night in jail, I laught at my arraigment hearing the next morning and it wasn't because I thought it was a laughing matter. My friend asked me later how I could of laughed, they got to watch me on a screen. I was scared shitless and nervous, it is a way of releasing your emotions.
By the way people laugh at hard serious things in their life even at funerals, it is called being human and sometimes laughing is the only way you can deal with it.

 

[Truthmatters]

They dont want a human they want a phoney cowboy to just talk about killing the bad guys.

Its their phoney cowboys from Reagan to Bush who made this scary fucking mess and left it to the black man to clean it up.

You gotta laugh or you will cry.

 

[American Horse]

When I was arrested at 22 and had to spend the night in jail, I laught at my arraigment hearing the next morning and it wasn't because I thought it was a laughing matter. My friend asked me later how I could of laughed, they got to watch me on a screen. I was scared shitless and nervous, it is a way of releasing your emotions.
By the way people laugh at hard serious things in their life even at funerals, it is called being human and sometimes laughing is the only way you can deal with it.

I agree, we all find refuge in humor at times; but still this suggests something about his frame of mind. At twenty two you were an immature person and scared shitless, and you needed a way to release you emotions. Obama has led us to believe he is a grow-up. This is after 60 days in office, and he campaigned for almost two years. Your weak moment came the day after when you needed to release your emotions. Are these two comparable situations?

Sometimes we laugh to tell our inquisitor that we are uncomfortable with the question. Women do that with the inappropriate giggle, per Hillary Clinton.

My personal opinion is that he is very much satisfied with the position he finds himself in vis-a-vis the financial situation and he can't help but reveal that with his body language. As long as he can keep this ball rolling along, he stands to change the country as much as Lincoln did. This has to be a giddy, heady feeling.

 

[Truthmatters]

what did it say about Bushs charactor when our soldiers were dying in Iraq while he joked in the Oval office on tape about "where are those WMDs"?

It was humor in the face of horrible times.

Grow a pair and learn a little fairness.

 

[Burp]

Remember, he didn't have a teleprompter to read off of.

He had to make the stuff up as he went. When that happens...trainwreck.

Special Olympics, laugh while people have lost everything...can't wait to see what's next.

 

[editec]

Yeah, how dare he laugh.

He should have thrown on a flight suit and strutted around saying mission accompished.

That seems to impress some folks tremendously.

 

[Ravi]

Good for him. Bush was in tears his last few months in office...and btw, so was McCain. A little levity is often a sign that you aren't defeated by events.

 

[Zoom-boing]

When I was arrested at 22 and had to spend the night in jail, I laught at my arraigment hearing the next morning and it wasn't because I thought it was a laughing matter. My friend asked me later how I could of laughed, they got to watch me on a screen. I was scared shitless and nervous, it is a way of releasing your emotions.
By the way people laugh at hard serious things in their life even at funerals, it is called being human and sometimes laughing is the only way you can deal with it.

I agree, we all find refuge in humor at times; but still this suggests something about his frame of mind. At twenty two you were an immature person and scared shitless, and you needed a way to release you emotions. Obama has led us to believe he is a grow-up. This is after 60 days in office, and he campaigned for almost two years. Your weak moment came the day after when you needed to release your emotions. Are these two comparable situations?

Sometimes we laugh to tell our inquisitor that we are uncomfortable with the question. Women do that with the inappropriate giggle, per Hillary Clinton.

My personal opinion is that he is very much satisfied with the position he finds himself in vis-a-vis the financial situation and he can't help but reveal that with his body language. As long as he can keep this ball rolling along, he stands to change the country as much as Lincoln did. This has to be a giddy, heady feeling.

In a nutshell, that is it. He wants to change the country to what he believes is best. One can't help but wonder . . . the man who firmly believes in the teachings of Rev. Wright (black liberation theology is founded in marxism), who surrounded himself with socialist and marxist types throughout his college years, who believes that the government should be thee taker-carer of all . . . what exactly is he going to change this country into?

 

[manu1959]

sent to me in e-mail don't have a link.....

here is what some of europe thinks of us....

The Daily Mail (UK)
wrote this editorial about Obama on 1/6/2009.

(confirmation, Google
"London Daily Mail Obama's Victory")

Obama's Victory--A British view

A victory for the hysterical Oprah Winfrey, the mad
racist preacher Jeremiah Wright, the US mainstream media who abandoned
any sense of objectivity long ago, Europeans who despise America
largely because they depend on her, comics who claim to be dangerous
and fearless but would not dare attack genuinely powerful special
interest groups. A victory for Obama-worshippers everywhere. A victory for
the cult of the cult. A man who has done little with his life but
has written about his achievements as if he had found the cure for cancer
in between winning a marathon and building a nuclear reactor with
his teeth. Victory for style over substance, hyperbole over
history, rabble-raising over reality.

A victory for Hollywood, the most dysfunctional community in the
world. Victory for Streisand, Spielberg, Soros, Moore, and Sarandon.
Victory for those who prefer welfare Victory for those who prefer welfare
to will and interference to independence. For those who settle for group
think and herd mentality, rather than those who fight for individual
initiative and the right tobe out of step with meager political fashion.

Victory for a man who is no friend of freedom. He and his
people have already stated that media has to be controlled so as to
be balanced, without realizing the extraordinary irony within
that statement. Like most liberal zealots, the Obama worshippers
constantly speak of Fox and Limbaugh, when the vast bulk of television
stations and newspapers are drastically liberal and anti-conservative.
Senior Democrat Chuck Schumer said that just as pornography should be
censored, so should talk radio. In other words, one of the few free and
open means of popular expression may well be cornered and beaten by bullies
who even in triumph cannot tolerate any criticism and opposition.



A victory for those who believe the state is better qualified to
raise children than the family, for those who prefer teachers' unions
to teaching and for those who are naively convinced that if the West
is sufficiently weak towards its enemies, war and terror will dissolve
as quickly as the tears on the face of a leftist celebrity.

A victory for social democracy even after most of Europe has come to
the painful conclusion that social democracy leads to mediocrity,
failure, unemployment, inflation, higher taxes and economic stagnation.
A victory for intrusive lawyers, banal sentimentalists, social
extremists and urban snobs.


Congratulations America ! Your funeral will be sooner than you
think!

 

[Midnight Marauder]

If he did say it on Thursday and Friday, I didn't hear it, and neither did many of my colleagues. That means that those of us who do this for a living missed it. Can you post a link with him saying that? I'd be interested in seeing it.

60 Minutes was preempted by basketball. It started just before 8pm on the east coast. The market was trading sideways. Then the market spiked when he implied he opposed the tax and began moving higher. As soon as I heard him say that, I knew exactly what would happen. The Nikkei in Japan also spiked higher.

I don't know why anyone would argue this point. The market was selling off last week when the House passed the bill. So if it looked like it would fail, one would think the market would move higher.

You appear to be correct. I am mistaken on when I heard of the possible bonus veto, apparently. I thought I'd heard a rumble of it Friday, when the Senate took up the bill after it passed the House.

I also viewed the 60 Minutes video again, and I have to re-evaluate my position on that. It wasn't a hard news piece, it was a feature and that as it was, Obama did really well. It was more casual but also more in-depth than just a sit-down hard news interview. One thing about him, he's a smooth talker. He's gone to finishing school so to speak, on presenting himself. And clearly lots of people watched, it was one of 60 Minutes highest rated segments of the last couple of years.

So, your theory looks as good as anyone's. The possible veto was a catalyst, the highly distressed blue chip stocks to be had on the cheap was the reason.

Of course you do realize there will be a big sell-off sometime this week, if not starting tomorrow. I still think there was alot of buying of highly distressed stocks today by folks who don't intend on holding them very long.

Do you think if Obama kept an always positive tone and message, consistently "talked up" the economy, it would greatly speed up the recovery? After re-watching the 60 Minutes segment, I do.