The 9-12 Project

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  1. Zoom-boing
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    This country is headed into very dangerous waters . . . the Constitution is being shredded . . . bankruptcy of the country is on the horizon . . . . the government wants it's paws in and on everything and everyone.

    Everyone who is disgusted with what our government is doing and how they are doing it should check out this site. Whether you're R, D, L or I -- doesn't matter. Please - for five minutes - get over the fact that Glenn Beck has started this. Just go take a look.

    It is meant to unite people into the mindset that we had on 9/12/01. We weren't a nation of Republicans or Democrats . . . we were a nation of united Americans. The government is busy, busy setting one party against another . . . when the real fight is government vs. America.

    Click on the Mission Statement to get a feel for what this project is trying to accomplish. Click on Stand up and Lead, then your state, to see where local meetings are being held. None to be found in your area? Start one. If you click on the Members and Counting link on the right on this page, you can sign up for comments/discussions. I found the following letter from one of the members and thought I'd pass it along. The poster's comment to the Senator are what many, many Americans are feeling towards our government.

    "Here was a response for Congressman Simpson (R) from Idaho to my demand that no more earmarks be added to spending bills:

    Eliminating any one of those projects would not have reduced federal spending by one penny – the money would have instead gone to another project in a different state or to a federal bureaucracy to be spent at its discretion.

    Here was my response to him:

    Representative Simpson,
    You say that if you wouldn't have brought the earmark money, millions of dollars by your own admission, back to Idaho that the money would have been spent elsewhere here are your words:

    Eliminating any one of those projects would not have reduced federal spending by one penny – the money would have instead gone to another project in a different state or to a federal bureaucracy to be spent at its discretion.

    . That is exactly the WRONG answer. If every representative and congressman stopped earmarks no money would be spent, money YOU don't create but take from us, the taxpayer. You just don't get it. You don't point to another wrong to justify your wrong. Just because everyone is doing it doesn't make it right. It's called principles sir. You and every member of congress that we elect must have principles. It's what our Founding Fathers had but what we find so rarely today. I'm frankly appalled at your response.
    There is a stirring in America today. People like me are fed up with both parties. We are meeting weekly throughout the nation, we are talking on the web and sharing e-mails. We are people that have values and principles, the same values and principles that our Founding Fathers have. Slowly but surely both political parties have lost those values and principles and all you care about is power. You shouldn't be worried about the big contributors to your campaign but those that elected you into office. Change is coming sir. It's much the same as when the Sons of Liberty met in taverns over 200 years ago. We, the people, are waking up and we will take back our government. I, like my forefathers, will commit my life, my fortune and my sacred honor in this new cause of freedom. Can you hear it?

    Sincerely,
    Karl Spencer
    Veteran and Proud American "


    Just thought I'd pass this along. One voice won't be heard; a nation of voices will.

    THE912PROJECT.COM
     
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    Earmarks are not all necessarily bad. I think Glen Beck knows it. And please, take a moment to consider that this is just a Republican wedge issue/straw man argument that guys like Beck & Rush use to distract us from the real issues and problems.

    So let me get this straight. You want us all to get behind this bullshit issue? As if this is top priority?

    Meanwhile, the Federal Reserve is emptying the treasury to the tune of $750 billion dollars and counting.

    You American voters are down right stupid. So easily distracted. Earmarks. Pork. Abortion. Guns. Illegals. Global Warming. Tax cuts. Joe the Plumber.

    Why don't you get your ass behind Ron Paul's movement to audit/abolish the Fed? Why are rich bankers running our country? If it isn't obvious by now that they are what went wrong....

    Digg - Ron Paul, Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve Transparency Act


    and if you are not a Ron Paul/Libertarian type Republican, then back Dennis Kuchenich:

    Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich 2008: Sticking it to the Cartel politicians

    But please stop playing politics while the rich bankers empty the treasury. Time to wake up. Glen Beck is a monkey.
     
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    when the real fight is government vs. America.

    It isn't Government vs. America.

    Its the rich and powerful bankers and oil/defense men vs. the rest of us.

    Its class warefare.

    Rich vs poor/middle class.

    And trust me, none of you fall into the category of rich.

    There is a such thing as being too rich for Democracy.

    How Rich is Too Rich For Democracy?
     
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    Hey Sealy -- what's your suggestion for fixing America? Be specific and be detailed.
     
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    Ron Paul, Is America Really Going Bankrupt?

    We take back the Federal Reserve. That way rich bankers don't control our economy and our debt isn't collecting interest.

    And get rid of lobbyists.

    Corporations should pay all the taxes, not the workers. No income tax.

    If we need a bridge, charge a bridge tax. When the bridge is built, end the bridge tax.

    The Income tax was to pay for WW2.

    Pay go would be nice.

    Stay within the budget.

    Include the Iraq war in your budget so we know what you are really spending.

    Raise taxes on the rich to pay off the debt. When the debt is paid off, they will still be rich. Go figure.

    Bring manufacturing jobs back home.

    Raise wages

    Throw illegals out

    Raise SS benefits

    Nationalize medicine but you can buy better than the basic so still capitalistic

    Then when everything is good, lower taxes on everyone.
     
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    How, specifically, can these ideas get accomplished? Talk is cheap, it's what you do that counts. Is there a grassroots program like the 9-12 project around?
     
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    Start with an absolute limit per citizen on how much money they can donate to any politician or any political party.

    Completely end any PAC money contributions.

    ABsolutely NO corporate campiagn contributions.

    Limits on total campaign spending and limits on campaign advertisments.

    Absolutely NO campaign funding or political party funding from any foreign national or foreign corporation or business.

    An increase in the number of House of Representatives such that each REP has 30,000 constiutents. (There'd give us a HoR of about 6,000 Reps, BTW)

    An increase in the number of Senators to 6 per state.

    There...that's a start to putting the DEMOCRATIC back into our democratic republic.

    Public execution of any pols taking bribes, and any bribers giving them, too.
     
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    Ed - excellent ideas on political contributions. How, exactly, could something like this be accomplished?
     
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    :clap2: Excellent. Add term limits to the list as well. Congress is its own special interest group, they are their own lobbyists, it needs to stop.
     
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    And then, while we're shredding the First Amendment, let's also limit the amount of favorable press newspapers, TV news, and other media outlets give candidates based on how much an ad using that much space would cost. If we don't give a damn about free speech, then I fail to see why we should give leftists an advantage by respecting the free press, either.

    Or perhaps we could "fix" America without dismantling the freedoms it's supposed to stand for. Just a thought.
     

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