Armed citizen shoots and stops criminal who murdered police officer

[2aguy]

The anti-gun extremists tell us that people never use guns for self defense…..that the idea of law abiding gun owners using guns for self defense is a myth…….,

This man used his legal gun to stop a violent criminal who stabbed a police officer to death…..,

In a tragic turn of events that has both shocked and united the community of Las Cruces, New Mexico, an armed citizen took decisive action to stop a deadly assault on a local police officer, according to reports from KOB 4 News and Las Cruces Sun News.
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In the midst of this chaos, 29-year-old Issiah Astorga witnessed the attack. Fearing for his life, his girlfriend’s life and that of the officer, Astorga retrieved a handgun from his vehicle and intervened. Despite his efforts to stop the altercation without violence, Astorga was forced to shoot Silva as he advanced toward him in a threatening manner after stabbing the police officer. Astorga and another good Samaritan then attempted to aid Officer Hernandez until emergency services arrived
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Issiah Astorga Statement (as reported by KOB 4 News):

On February 11, 2024, I witnessed an individual attacking an officer at 335 South Valley Drive. I saw that the individual who was attacking the officer was in complete control of the altercation. I made the decision that I was going to go try to stop the altercation, but I was afraid that the individual attacking the officer could make the decision to disarm the officer of his service weapon.
So, I decided to arm myself with my handgun that I keep in my car, for protection. I then ran towards the fight with the hope of stopping it. As I was approaching, I could see that the officer was bleeding severely from the neck area while continuing to be attacked. I yelled for the attacking individual to stop.
However, in a threatening manner, the individual who attacked the officer turned and advanced towards me. Due to the severe bleeding from the officer, I knew that the individual approaching me had a weapon. Fearing for my life, my girlfriend’s life, and the officer’s life, I fired my handgun. When I felt that it was safe to do so, I tried my best to aid the injured officer. A good citizen who partially witnessed these events helped me try to control the situation and radioed to dispatch the events that had happened.

Armed Citizen Halts Rampage of Cop Killer in New Mexico - The Truth About Guns

In a tragic turn of events that shocked the community of Las Cruces, N.M, an armed citizen shot and killed a man who attacked a police officer with a knife.

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

Notice…..

—this citizen was able to use their legal gun effectively

—this citizen used their legal gun to stop a violent murderer

—this citizen did not just start shooting at other innocent people

—this citizen was not then shot by police because they thought he was the killer…….

The anti-gun extremists keep telling us lies about law abiding gun owners because the truth, facts and reality do not support anything they believe about guns and gun owners…

 

[pknopp]

The anti-gun extremists tell us that people never use guns for self defense…..

No one has ever argued that.

 

[TheParser]

That citizen is a true hero.

Thank you, sir.

Now there is one less bad guy stalking the earth.

 

[candycorn]

Supposedly this happens 1.1M times a year (the OP has said it was actually much higher). Strangely, we never hear about most of these matters so much so to the point where he can itemize the very few times it ever actually happens.

 

[WinterBorn]

Well done! An armed citizen puts the scum down.

I carry my M1911 just for such occasions. I hope I never have to use it. But it is there if I need it.

 

[2aguy]

No one has ever argued that.

Except for Joe, Captain caveman, and the anti-gun researchers who tell us defensive gun use is a myth….

 

[2aguy]

No one has ever argued that.

Candycorn

 

[2aguy]

Supposedly this happens 1.1M times a year (the OP has said it was actually much higher). Strangely, we never hear about most of these matters so much so to the point where he can itemize the very few times it ever actually happens.

The Centers for Disease Control puts it at 1.1 million times a year….the Department of Justice puts it at 1.5 million times a year…..Obama ordered a complete review of all gun research in 2013 and those government researchers found data showing between 500,000 to 3 million times a year…..,,,

I am not saying anything…I am reporting government and private research on the topic……….

I have posted the results of 18 studies on the topic in numerous threads, and most of those are from anti-gun researchers……

 

[airplanemechanic]

No one has ever argued that.

Bullshit. Liberals on this forum constantly argue that guns aren't used in self defense.

 

[pknopp]

Except for Joe, Captain caveman, and the anti-gun researchers who tell us defensive gun use is a myth….

No one tells you that.

 

[leftwinger]

Supposedly this happens 1.1M times a year (the OP has said it was actually much higher). Strangely, we never hear about most of these matters so much so to the point where he can itemize the very few times it ever actually happens.

You wont ever hear of it on the BS sites you call “news” like your MSNBC & CNN fags & queers or your Black magazines like ebony or ESPN or even from your disgusting favorite Politicians in DC you ignorant sack of human sewage.

 

[M14 Shooter]

This man used his legal gun to stop a violent criminal who stabbed a police officer to death…..,

This is exactly the sort of the shooting the anti-gun left hopes to prevent.

 

[2aguy]

No one tells you that.

Are you this stupid in real life, or just when you post? Each of them has stated that defensive gun use is a myth.....and the anti-gun researchers state it all the time........

 

[2aguy]

Supposedly this happens 1.1M times a year (the OP has said it was actually much higher). Strangely, we never hear about most of these matters so much so to the point where he can itemize the very few times it ever actually happens.

Here is the list of studies done on the topic by both government and private, trained researchers.....over decades....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press

 

[pknopp]

Are you this stupid in real life, or just when you post? Each of them has stated that defensive gun use is a myth.....and the anti-gun researchers state it all the time...haven't.

No one has argued it never happens.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

This is exactly the sort of the shooting the anti-gun left hopes to prevent.

Hoplophobe Holocaust

They already prevented it in Israel on October 7.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Bullshit. Liberals on this forum constantly argue that guns aren't used in self defense.

Which in an ironic way, makes you a bad guy too.

The problem with Americans is, genetically your brains are only wired up to do binary thinking. That's why your gun arguement will go on forever and a day because your brains are stuck on "All Guns" v "No Guns". How on earth you've lasted two hundred and odd years as a nation is purely amazing. So there's a +pos.

 

[2aguy]

Which in an ironic way, makes you a bad guy too.

The problem with Americans is, genetically your brains are only wired up to do binary thinking. That's why your gun arguement will go on forever and a day because your brains are stuck on "All Guns" v "No Guns". How on earth you've lasted two hundred and odd years as a nation is purely amazing. So there's a +pos.

How does stopping a violent killer make you a bad guy?

I'm amazed your tiny island is still around....oh, that's right, your tiny island is now under the protection of American guns.....

 

[LuckyDuck]

The anti-gun extremists tell us that people never use guns for self defense…..that the idea of law abiding gun owners using guns for self defense is a myth…….,

This man used his legal gun to stop a violent criminal who stabbed a police officer to death…..,

In a tragic turn of events that has both shocked and united the community of Las Cruces, New Mexico, an armed citizen took decisive action to stop a deadly assault on a local police officer, according to reports from KOB 4 News and Las Cruces Sun News.
——
In the midst of this chaos, 29-year-old Issiah Astorga witnessed the attack. Fearing for his life, his girlfriend’s life and that of the officer, Astorga retrieved a handgun from his vehicle and intervened. Despite his efforts to stop the altercation without violence, Astorga was forced to shoot Silva as he advanced toward him in a threatening manner after stabbing the police officer. Astorga and another good Samaritan then attempted to aid Officer Hernandez until emergency services arrived
———
Issiah Astorga Statement (as reported by KOB 4 News):

On February 11, 2024, I witnessed an individual attacking an officer at 335 South Valley Drive. I saw that the individual who was attacking the officer was in complete control of the altercation. I made the decision that I was going to go try to stop the altercation, but I was afraid that the individual attacking the officer could make the decision to disarm the officer of his service weapon.
So, I decided to arm myself with my handgun that I keep in my car, for protection. I then ran towards the fight with the hope of stopping it. As I was approaching, I could see that the officer was bleeding severely from the neck area while continuing to be attacked. I yelled for the attacking individual to stop.
However, in a threatening manner, the individual who attacked the officer turned and advanced towards me. Due to the severe bleeding from the officer, I knew that the individual approaching me had a weapon. Fearing for my life, my girlfriend’s life, and the officer’s life, I fired my handgun. When I felt that it was safe to do so, I tried my best to aid the injured officer. A good citizen who partially witnessed these events helped me try to control the situation and radioed to dispatch the events that had happened.

Armed Citizen Halts Rampage of Cop Killer in New Mexico - The Truth About Guns

In a tragic turn of events that shocked the community of Las Cruces, N.M, an armed citizen shot and killed a man who attacked a police officer with a knife.

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

Notice…..

—this citizen was able to use their legal gun effectively

—this citizen used their legal gun to stop a violent murderer

—this citizen did not just start shooting at other innocent people

—this citizen was not then shot by police because they thought he was the killer…….

The anti-gun extremists keep telling us lies about law abiding gun owners because the truth, facts and reality do not support anything they believe about guns and gun owners…

In looney-leftie land where I reside, the state's attorney general would probably have the citizen arrested for interfering with the actions of the criminal.

 

[Failzero]

California CCW here , Carry everywhere ...