Obama is a Centrist

[midcan5]

After the radical conservatism of Cheney/Bush, an Obama/Biden presidency will be one that all Americans can feel part of not just the corporations and the wealthy. Instead of robbing from the poor to give to the corporations and to out sourcing America, an Obama presidency will work to bring the American middle class back, so everyone can feel they have a piece of the pie and the American dream still works.

The Empiricist Strikes Back by Cass R. Sunstein

Obama's pragmatism explained.

"These objections miss the mark. Obama has not betrayed anyone. The real problem lies in the assumption, still widespread on both the left and the right, that Obama is a doctrinaire liberal whose positions can be deduced simply by asking what the left thinks.

Of course Obama is a progressive. From health care to assistance for low-income families to education to environmental protection, he emphasizes that Americans have duties to one another, and that government should be taking active steps to provide equal opportunity and to help those who need help. But, by nature, he is also an independent thinker, and he listens to all sides. One of his most distinctive features is that he is a minimalist, not in the sense that he always favors small steps (he doesn't), but because he prefers solutions that can be accepted by people with a wide variety of theoretical inclinations."

The Empiricist Strikes Back

 

[CA95380]

Hmmmn .... several of us recently learned that we are Centrists Are we bad or good?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/elections-2008/56689-i-just-found-out-that-i-am-a-centrists.html

 

[Ravi]

Obama is no centrist. Or at least he's certainly been pretending anything but. He's a Progressive. You can't be a Progressive and a centrist.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

After the radical conservatism of Cheney/Bush, an Obama/Biden presidency will be one that all Americans can feel part of not just the corporations and the wealthy. Instead of robbing from the poor to give to the corporations and to out sourcing America, an Obama presidency will work to bring the American middle class back, so everyone can feel they have a piece of the pie and the American dream still works.

The Empiricist Strikes Back by Cass R. Sunstein

Obama's pragmatism explained.

"These objections miss the mark. Obama has not betrayed anyone. The real problem lies in the assumption, still widespread on both the left and the right, that Obama is a doctrinaire liberal whose positions can be deduced simply by asking what the left thinks.

Of course Obama is a progressive. From health care to assistance for low-income families to education to environmental protection, he emphasizes that Americans have duties to one another, and that government should be taking active steps to provide equal opportunity and to help those who need help. But, by nature, he is also an independent thinker, and he listens to all sides. One of his most distinctive features is that he is a minimalist, not in the sense that he always favors small steps (he doesn't), but because he prefers solutions that can be accepted by people with a wide variety of theoretical inclinations."

The Empiricist Strikes Back

I'm curious. Why do you believe that govt can provide happiness? I may be wrong but from your posts I have surmised as much. I've always wondered why people have trust in govt, the middle man, to distribute these monies in an effective manner. Wouldn't it seem more logical to cut out the middle man and contribute more on an individual basis? I'm not an anarchist, just much smaller govt. Who takes better care? Individual who purchase wares that are bought through hard work and personal responsibility OR individuals who take more handouts?

 

[Gunny]

After the radical conservatism of Cheney/Bush, an Obama/Biden presidency will be one that all Americans can feel part of not just the corporations and the wealthy. Instead of robbing from the poor to give to the corporations and to out sourcing America, an Obama presidency will work to bring the American middle class back, so everyone can feel they have a piece of the pie and the American dream still works.

The Empiricist Strikes Back by Cass R. Sunstein

Obama's pragmatism explained.

"These objections miss the mark. Obama has not betrayed anyone. The real problem lies in the assumption, still widespread on both the left and the right, that Obama is a doctrinaire liberal whose positions can be deduced simply by asking what the left thinks.

Of course Obama is a progressive. From health care to assistance for low-income families to education to environmental protection, he emphasizes that Americans have duties to one another, and that government should be taking active steps to provide equal opportunity and to help those who need help. But, by nature, he is also an independent thinker, and he listens to all sides. One of his most distinctive features is that he is a minimalist, not in the sense that he always favors small steps (he doesn't), but because he prefers solutions that can be accepted by people with a wide variety of theoretical inclinations."

The Empiricist Strikes Back

How did I just know when I saw the thread title YOU were the author?

You are just so full of it ...

 

[stivex]

Obama is a liberal. Plain and simple. However, mccain is NOT a conservative. That makes him closer to the center than Obama. We conservatives want a conservative, but McCain is what we got. So, I am by no means trying to herald that fact. I am just setting the record straight.

 

[DiamondDave]

McCain is quite the centrist... Obama, on the other hand, is about the most liberal far-left congressperson we have ever had...

Obama is so far away from the center, light from the center would take over 3 billion years to reach his point on the left

 

[Caligirl]

Is Bush a conservative? I don't know what a conservative is any more.

Bush expanded government, started wiretapping people without warrants, and drove the economy into a ditch which we might get out of if we're lucky before our debt to China becomes completely unpayable. He thought the government should intervene in end of life decisions ala Terry Schiavo.

On the plus side he appointed two socially conservative judges that support business and the market.

What is a conservative? I am curious. I consider myself centrist and I don't think it is a bad thing. McCain would appoint conservative judges but the economy would tank even further.

I am not a liberal in the "hollywood" style but I do think we have got to take better care of our economy and our environment.

Obama meets more of my criteria for getting us out of the ditch we're in, but I like McCain.

What is a conservative?

 

[editec]

A conservative?

Someone howling alone in the wilderness, same as thinking liberals.

Someone with no political party to speak for them.

Someone who is disappointed at how often the Grand Old Party hacks they thought they could count on, turned out to be just another big government, big spending group of crooks who would tell them sweet lies while picking the pockets.

that who the conservtives are...they're indpendents and libertarians and desperately seeking a party they can understand.

That's this liberal's opinion of those I know, at any rate.

Sometimes I get drunk with them and we commiserate about what a bunch of snakes we think the younger generation political activists tend to be..

We do that and lament the fact that manors and honor integrity are considered passe.

Nice people those honest conservatives.

A dying breed, I fear.

 

[Caligirl]

Thanks - that makles sense.

I started a thread on Bob Barr because your response reminded me that I wanted to check him out.

 

[Ravi]

Obama isn't actually a liberal, either.

He's a Progressive.

Not that it makes a difference to most people, but still.

And midcan pretending he's a centrist is really stupid. If Obama's ashamed of what he is, he should change. But maybe midcan thinks he'll fool people into thinking Obama is a centrist.

 

[greenpartyaz]

Thanks - that makles sense.

I started a thread on Bob Barr because your response reminded me that I wanted to check him out.

Bob Bar is an adulterer. He was part of the wasteful witch hunt to get Clinton. Bob Barr was caught licking whipped cream off the breasts of some woman in the early 90's can't remember her name??? Anybody remember?

 

[Ravi]

Bob Bar is an adulterer. He was part of the wasteful witch hunt to get Clinton. Bob Barr was caught licking whipped cream off the breasts of some woman in the early 90's can't remember her name??? Anybody remember?

Barbra Bush? No, that's not right...

 

[DiamondDave]

Obama isn't actually a liberal, either.

He's a Progressive.

Not that it makes a difference to most people, but still.

And midcan pretending he's a centrist is really stupid. If Obama's ashamed of what he is, he should change. But maybe midcan thinks he'll fool people into thinking Obama is a centrist.

Marxist and socialist ideals do not make someone "progressive"

 

[midcan5]

I'm curious. Why do you believe that govt can provide happiness? I may be wrong but from your posts I have surmised as much....

Not sure what that means, happiness is personal, but yes, a well run government can provide a context for happiness. Without law, order, and without opportunity happiness is a meaningless word in politics.

From the other comments no one read the article. And the other lamebrains who can only call others socialists or Marxists only exhibit their stupidity of political philosophy, for they are totally clueless and repeat words they know nothing about.

And yes, Bush is a conservative, but when conservatives hate government how can one expect them to govern. His complete failure testifies to that.

 

[AllieBaba]

Obama is no centrist. Or at least he's certainly been pretending anything but. He's a Progressive. You can't be a Progressive and a centrist.

No kidding. I'd rep you for being right, but I can't. I wasted your pos rep on a ridiculously tasteless nickname...

 

[AllieBaba]

Not sure what that means, happiness is personal, but yes, a well run government can provide a context for happiness. Without law, order, and without opportunity happiness is a meaningless word in politics.

From the other comments no one read the article. And the other lamebrains who can only call others socialists or Marxists only exhibit their stupidity of political philosophy, for they are totally clueless and repeat words they know nothing about.

And yes, Bush is a conservative, but when conservatives hate government how can one expect them to govern. His complete failure testifies to that.

They don't exhibit their stupidity in calling socialists and Marxists socialists and Marxists.

Obama's a socialist. You don't have to be a genius to figure it out. Kindly stop pretending it isn't true, you know it, I know it, even yellow dog knows it. You just lie about it because you know that Americans won't get behind a socialist. So like other tyrant governments, you think it's okay to lie and mislead the people.

We're not that stupid, leftist dung.