Nuke Chief: I'd Resist 'Illegal' Trump Order

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“We’re not stupid people,” nuclear commander Gen. John Hyten said at a forum Saturday.

The top nuclear commander in the U.S. said Saturday that he would reject an “illegal” nuclear attack order from President Donald Trump, and would instead steer the commander in chief to other “options.”

“If you execute an unlawful order, you will go to jail,” Air Force Gen. John Hyten told an audience at the Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia. “You could go to jail for the rest of your life.”

Hyten, the commander of the U.S. Strategic Command who oversees America’s nuclear arsenal, spoke at a forum titled “Nukes: The Fire and the Fury,” as recorded in a video on the event’s Facebook page. He didn’t define what exactly would constitute an illegal launch order. But Hyten said he has been trained for the past 36 years in the law of armed conflict, and mentioned the consideration of such elements as proportional response and unnecessary suffering that would be caused by such a conflagration.

In the event Trump suggests an illegal strike, Hyten described a scenario in which he would present Trump with legal choices.

“I provide advice to the president. He will tell me what to do,” Hyten said. “And if it’s illegal, guess what’s going to happen? I’m going to say, ‘Mr. President, that’s illegal.’ And guess what he’s going to do? He’s going to say, ‘What would be legal?’ And we’ll come up with options... a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is, and that’s the way it works. It’s not that complicated.”

“I think some people think we’re stupid,” he said. “We’re not stupid people. We think about these things a lot. When you have this responsibility, how do you not think about it? What people forget is that this is a military mission and military function.”

In congressional testimony earlier this month, retired Gen. Robert Kehler, who served as the head of Strategic Command from 2011 to 2013, also said that the military is only obligated to follow legal orders.

The forum Saturday included a video that showed scenes of nuclear devastation beneath the song “We’ll Meet Again” ― the same music used at the end of Stanley Kubrick’s 1964 antiwar film “Dr. Strangelove,” which famously ends with a nuclear holocaust. Hyten said he has seen the movie nearly half a dozen times.



More: Top General Says He Would Reject An 'Illegal' Nuclear Strike Order From Trump

Well, that should make some of us a little less nervous - if it's true.
 
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What the frak is a ‘nuclear commander’?

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“We’re not stupid people,” nuclear commander Gen. John Hyten said at a forum Saturday.

The top nuclear commander in the U.S. said Saturday that he would reject an “illegal” nuclear attack order from President Donald Trump, and would instead steer the commander in chief to other “options.”

“If you execute an unlawful order, you will go to jail,” Air Force Gen. John Hyten told an audience at the Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia. “You could go to jail for the rest of your life.”

Hyten, the commander of the U.S. Strategic Command who oversees America’s nuclear arsenal, spoke at a forum titled “Nukes: The Fire and the Fury,” as recorded in a video on the event’s Facebook page. He didn’t define what exactly would constitute an illegal launch order. But Hyten said he has been trained for the past 36 years in the law of armed conflict, and mentioned the consideration of such elements as proportional response and unnecessary suffering that would be caused by such a conflagration.

In the event Trump suggests an illegal strike, Hyten described a scenario in which he would present Trump with legal choices.

“I provide advice to the president. He will tell me what to do,” Hyten said. “And if it’s illegal, guess what’s going to happen? I’m going to say, ‘Mr. President, that’s illegal.’ And guess what he’s going to do? He’s going to say, ‘What would be legal?’ And we’ll come up with options... a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is, and that’s the way it works. It’s not that complicated.”

“I think some people think we’re stupid,” he said. “We’re not stupid people. We think about these things a lot. When you have this responsibility, how do you not think about it? What people forget is that this is a military mission and military function.”

In congressional testimony earlier this month, retired Gen. Robert Kehler, who served as the head of Strategic Command from 2011 to 2013, also said that the military is only obligated to follow legal orders.

The forum Saturday included a video that showed scenes of nuclear devastation beneath the song “We’ll Meet Again” ― the same music used at the end of Stanley Kubrick’s 1964 antiwar film “Dr. Strangelove,” which famously ends with a nuclear holocaust. Hyten said he has seen the movie nearly half a dozen times.



More: Top General Says He Would Reject An 'Illegal' Nuclear Strike Order From Trump

Well, that should make some of us a little less nervous - if it's true.


Quite right. The Nazis who committed genocide in WW2 didn't get off because they weren't the Fuhrer.
 
“We’re not stupid people,” nuclear commander Gen. John Hyten said at a forum Saturday.

The top nuclear commander in the U.S. said Saturday that he would reject an “illegal” nuclear attack order from President Donald Trump, and would instead steer the commander in chief to other “options.”

“If you execute an unlawful order, you will go to jail,” Air Force Gen. John Hyten told an audience at the Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia. “You could go to jail for the rest of your life.”

Hyten, the commander of the U.S. Strategic Command who oversees America’s nuclear arsenal, spoke at a forum titled “Nukes: The Fire and the Fury,” as recorded in a video on the event’s Facebook page. He didn’t define what exactly would constitute an illegal launch order. But Hyten said he has been trained for the past 36 years in the law of armed conflict, and mentioned the consideration of such elements as proportional response and unnecessary suffering that would be caused by such a conflagration.

In the event Trump suggests an illegal strike, Hyten described a scenario in which he would present Trump with legal choices.

“I provide advice to the president. He will tell me what to do,” Hyten said. “And if it’s illegal, guess what’s going to happen? I’m going to say, ‘Mr. President, that’s illegal.’ And guess what he’s going to do? He’s going to say, ‘What would be legal?’ And we’ll come up with options... a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is, and that’s the way it works. It’s not that complicated.”

“I think some people think we’re stupid,” he said. “We’re not stupid people. We think about these things a lot. When you have this responsibility, how do you not think about it? What people forget is that this is a military mission and military function.”

In congressional testimony earlier this month, retired Gen. Robert Kehler, who served as the head of Strategic Command from 2011 to 2013, also said that the military is only obligated to follow legal orders.

The forum Saturday included a video that showed scenes of nuclear devastation beneath the song “We’ll Meet Again” ― the same music used at the end of Stanley Kubrick’s 1964 antiwar film “Dr. Strangelove,” which famously ends with a nuclear holocaust. Hyten said he has seen the movie nearly half a dozen times.



More: Top General Says He Would Reject An 'Illegal' Nuclear Strike Order From Trump

Well, that should make some of us a little less nervous - if it's true.

But, but, but...

Didn't Trump have a button to all of our nuclear arsenal at his finger tips?

I could have told you this the first time it was brought up.
 
“We’re not stupid people,” nuclear commander Gen. John Hyten said at a forum Saturday.

The top nuclear commander in the U.S. said Saturday that he would reject an “illegal” nuclear attack order from President Donald Trump, and would instead steer the commander in chief to other “options.”

“If you execute an unlawful order, you will go to jail,” Air Force Gen. John Hyten told an audience at the Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia. “You could go to jail for the rest of your life.”

Hyten, the commander of the U.S. Strategic Command who oversees America’s nuclear arsenal, spoke at a forum titled “Nukes: The Fire and the Fury,” as recorded in a video on the event’s Facebook page. He didn’t define what exactly would constitute an illegal launch order. But Hyten said he has been trained for the past 36 years in the law of armed conflict, and mentioned the consideration of such elements as proportional response and unnecessary suffering that would be caused by such a conflagration.

In the event Trump suggests an illegal strike, Hyten described a scenario in which he would present Trump with legal choices.

“I provide advice to the president. He will tell me what to do,” Hyten said. “And if it’s illegal, guess what’s going to happen? I’m going to say, ‘Mr. President, that’s illegal.’ And guess what he’s going to do? He’s going to say, ‘What would be legal?’ And we’ll come up with options... a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is, and that’s the way it works. It’s not that complicated.”

“I think some people think we’re stupid,” he said. “We’re not stupid people. We think about these things a lot. When you have this responsibility, how do you not think about it? What people forget is that this is a military mission and military function.”

In congressional testimony earlier this month, retired Gen. Robert Kehler, who served as the head of Strategic Command from 2011 to 2013, also said that the military is only obligated to follow legal orders.

The forum Saturday included a video that showed scenes of nuclear devastation beneath the song “We’ll Meet Again” ― the same music used at the end of Stanley Kubrick’s 1964 antiwar film “Dr. Strangelove,” which famously ends with a nuclear holocaust. Hyten said he has seen the movie nearly half a dozen times.



More: Top General Says He Would Reject An 'Illegal' Nuclear Strike Order From Trump

Well, that should make some of us a little less nervous - if it's true.

No active-duty officer would dare say this, what the headline suggests.
He could be fired and relieved of command immediately as we speak.
Failure to obey an order from the president is automatically a court-martial offense and could lead to prison time.
This is simply a fake news story about how generals are not going to follow Trump's orders.

Everyone who has been in the military knows you have the option not to follow an unlawful order.
It doesn't mean you can go around telling everyone you won't follow the president's orders. That's grounds for immediate dismissal.
This was simply a twisted hypothetical posed by some paranoid libroid journalist..
 
Trump is a Hot Head especially when he is insulted ( to a point of mental illness ) which makes him a dangerous man with the nukes..
Based on what? Your partisan BS?

This asinine idea that Trump is going to launch nuclear strikes on a whim is beyond idiotic and nothing more than partisan bullshit. No different than the right worrying about Obama's brown shirts.
 
“We’re not stupid people,” nuclear commander Gen. John Hyten said at a forum Saturday.

The top nuclear commander in the U.S. said Saturday that he would reject an “illegal” nuclear attack order from President Donald Trump, and would instead steer the commander in chief to other “options.”

“If you execute an unlawful order, you will go to jail,” Air Force Gen. John Hyten told an audience at the Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia. “You could go to jail for the rest of your life.”

Hyten, the commander of the U.S. Strategic Command who oversees America’s nuclear arsenal, spoke at a forum titled “Nukes: The Fire and the Fury,” as recorded in a video on the event’s Facebook page. He didn’t define what exactly would constitute an illegal launch order. But Hyten said he has been trained for the past 36 years in the law of armed conflict, and mentioned the consideration of such elements as proportional response and unnecessary suffering that would be caused by such a conflagration.

In the event Trump suggests an illegal strike, Hyten described a scenario in which he would present Trump with legal choices.

“I provide advice to the president. He will tell me what to do,” Hyten said. “And if it’s illegal, guess what’s going to happen? I’m going to say, ‘Mr. President, that’s illegal.’ And guess what he’s going to do? He’s going to say, ‘What would be legal?’ And we’ll come up with options... a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is, and that’s the way it works. It’s not that complicated.”

“I think some people think we’re stupid,” he said. “We’re not stupid people. We think about these things a lot. When you have this responsibility, how do you not think about it? What people forget is that this is a military mission and military function.”

In congressional testimony earlier this month, retired Gen. Robert Kehler, who served as the head of Strategic Command from 2011 to 2013, also said that the military is only obligated to follow legal orders.

The forum Saturday included a video that showed scenes of nuclear devastation beneath the song “We’ll Meet Again” ― the same music used at the end of Stanley Kubrick’s 1964 antiwar film “Dr. Strangelove,” which famously ends with a nuclear holocaust. Hyten said he has seen the movie nearly half a dozen times.



More: Top General Says He Would Reject An 'Illegal' Nuclear Strike Order From Trump

Well, that should make some of us a little less nervous - if it's true.
He was referring to procedure. No where did mention Trump. Huffpo and you did.

I regret the dumbing down of the left, seriously.
 
Good to know, in case Hillary somehow manages to win 2020 election.

The chances of that happening are extraordinarily low. I would say even lower than Trump going rambo with nukes, so we have nothing to be afraid of.
 
Good to know, in case Hillary somehow manages to win 2020 election.

The chances of that happening are extraordinarily low. I would say even lower than Trump going rambo with nukes, so we have nothing to be afraid of.
Obama replaced hundreds of officers that he felt weren't of the right mentality to carry out his unlawful orders.
That is why Bo Berghdal was allowed to walk after his court-martial.
 
Trump is a Hot Head especially when he is insulted ( to a point of mental illness ) which makes him a dangerous man with the nukes..
Based on what? Your partisan BS?

This asinine idea that Trump is going to launch nuclear strikes on a whim is beyond idiotic and nothing more than partisan bullshit. No different than the right worrying about Obama's brown shirts.

Where have you been for the last year..lol .. It is well known even with the GOP how Trump responds after being insulted..
He uses twitter to do his revenge and it started way before his presidency.

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it'd be the same under any president.

True. Yet oddly, under any other president, there was never a question about whether or not they'd instigate the Apocalypse over an angry tweet.

The very fact that we are HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AT ALL is the problem.
Don't worry about Trump's tweets Joey. He doesn't listen to the voices in your head.
 
it'd be the same under any president.

True. Yet oddly, under any other president, there was never a question about whether or not they'd instigate the Apocalypse over an angry tweet.

The very fact that we are HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AT ALL is the problem.

The only reason we're having this discussion is because stupid liberals brought it up.
 
The only reason we're having this discussion is because stupid liberals brought it up.

No, the reason we are having this conversation is because of Trump's erratic behavior.

Liberals didn't bring this up with either Bush or Reagan or Nixon.
I guess you weren't around for the Reagan administration. That, or you were already bonkers then.
 

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