Nuke Chief: I'd Resist 'Illegal' Trump Order

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    “We’re not stupid people,” nuclear commander Gen. John Hyten said at a forum Saturday.

    The top nuclear commander in the U.S. said Saturday that he would reject an “illegal” nuclear attack order from President Donald Trump, and would instead steer the commander in chief to other “options.”

    “If you execute an unlawful order, you will go to jail,” Air Force Gen. John Hyten told an audience at the Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia. “You could go to jail for the rest of your life.”

    Hyten, the commander of the U.S. Strategic Command who oversees America’s nuclear arsenal, spoke at a forum titled “Nukes: The Fire and the Fury,” as recorded in a video on the event’s Facebook page. He didn’t define what exactly would constitute an illegal launch order. But Hyten said he has been trained for the past 36 years in the law of armed conflict, and mentioned the consideration of such elements as proportional response and unnecessary suffering that would be caused by such a conflagration.

    In the event Trump suggests an illegal strike, Hyten described a scenario in which he would present Trump with legal choices.

    “I provide advice to the president. He will tell me what to do,” Hyten said. “And if it’s illegal, guess what’s going to happen? I’m going to say, ‘Mr. President, that’s illegal.’ And guess what he’s going to do? He’s going to say, ‘What would be legal?’ And we’ll come up with options... a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is, and that’s the way it works. It’s not that complicated.”

    “I think some people think we’re stupid,” he said. “We’re not stupid people. We think about these things a lot. When you have this responsibility, how do you not think about it? What people forget is that this is a military mission and military function.”

    In congressional testimony earlier this month, retired Gen. Robert Kehler, who served as the head of Strategic Command from 2011 to 2013, also said that the military is only obligated to follow legal orders.

    The forum Saturday included a video that showed scenes of nuclear devastation beneath the song “We’ll Meet Again” ― the same music used at the end of Stanley Kubrick’s 1964 antiwar film “Dr. Strangelove,” which famously ends with a nuclear holocaust. Hyten said he has seen the movie nearly half a dozen times.



    More: Top General Says He Would Reject An 'Illegal' Nuclear Strike Order From Trump

    Well, that should make some of us a little less nervous - if it's true.
     
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    What the frak is a ‘nuclear commander’?

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    it'd be the same under any president.
     
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    We are living during a very dangerous time.

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    Quite right. The Nazis who committed genocide in WW2 didn't get off because they weren't the Fuhrer.
     
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    But, but, but...

    Didn't Trump have a button to all of our nuclear arsenal at his finger tips?

    I could have told you this the first time it was brought up.
     
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    This is somewhat comforting given that we have a psychopath in the White House.
     
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    Trump is a Hot Head especially when he is insulted ( to a point of mental illness ) which makes him a dangerous man with the nukes..
     
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    If only he were also a Conservative, he'd make an ideal POTUS and I might have voted for him
     
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    No active-duty officer would dare say this, what the headline suggests.
    He could be fired and relieved of command immediately as we speak.
    Failure to obey an order from the president is automatically a court-martial offense and could lead to prison time.
    This is simply a fake news story about how generals are not going to follow Trump's orders.

    Everyone who has been in the military knows you have the option not to follow an unlawful order.
    It doesn't mean you can go around telling everyone you won't follow the president's orders. That's grounds for immediate dismissal.
    This was simply a twisted hypothetical posed by some paranoid libroid journalist..
     
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