NRA School Shield: Why should the NRA be the voice of how schools are protected?

[Seawytch]

BTW, in case you missed it, there was an armed guard at Columbine at the time of the shooting. And, there were countless armed guards at Ft Hood.

And I'm pretty sure concealed carry was legal in both AZ and CO.

True, but were talking about a Democrat campaign rally in the case of AZ. the chance of anyone carrying a concealed weapon there was indistinguishable from zero. In the case of columbine, schools are "gun free zones." In other words, they are prime hunting ground for predators.

Fail. It was a public shopping center.

 

[Seawytch]

BTW, in case you missed it, there was an armed guard at Columbine at the time of the shooting. And, there were countless armed guards at Ft Hood.

One armed guard to protect 1500 students? that isn't what I advocate. having the vice principle and about a dozen teachers armed with concealed weapons is what is needed.

You don't want to pay teachers or provide them benefits but you want them to be fucking Rambo in addition to teaching? Y'all are just nucking futs.

 

[Ravi]

The NRA has announced their 'solution' to gun violence in school. Armed guards.

I'm sure that the idea will have both multiple supporters and detractors as is usually the case when one side of the political aisle suggests a solution to a problem.

However, aside from the costs associated with placing armed guards in thousands (if not tens of thousands) of schools nationwide at a time of statewide budget cuts and even more proposed federal cuts, and the fact that there are usually multiple entrances to most schools and the fact that guards would likely be the first targets of any gunmen...what about school buses? How many school buses leave a school with 50 plus students at the end of the day, every day, all across the country? Should they ALL have armed guards on them like federal Marshalls on planes?

How about community centers? Swimming pools? After school sports games in gymnasiums? Bus stops? Cross walks? Any and every public place? How about day care centers? Restaurants? How about EVERY single movie theatre? Lobbies alone? Or the actual screening theaters? How about libraries?

Is the answer to gun violence mean that America has to embrace armed guard everywhere that children and adults congregate?

If you put armed guards at schools you also must do it on school buses or what is the point?

The NRA guy was basically saying fuck off to little Johnny. Hey, kid, no PE or art or music class but here's an armed guard to protect you from the idiocy of the NRA and its champions.

 

[Seawytch]

every time I hear the word common sense before some attempt to take away my rights I want to gag. If you really think the gun grabbers are going to stop at the line right before the firearms you own are illegal, you are going to be very sorry sooner or later.

You are basically feeding the crocodile in the hopes of being eaten last.

And your knee jerk reaction is a huge part of the problem. Unless you own an assault rifle or massive magazines, I'm not the least bit interested in "taking" your gun and nobody but fringe mutters are. I would like to see you REQUIRED to secure your weapons, go through a background check and take an extensive training class before purchasing one too.

None of which is required by the consitution. the only disqualifiers should be felony convictions, domestic violence convictions and mental commitment. You want to have training as a requirement, it must be reasonably priced or free to eliminate an effective poll tax on the exercise of the right.

As for securing, a gun unloaded in a gun safe is worth dick for self defense. Try again.

Your gun is 43 times more likely to shoot a friend, family member or acquaintance than to be used for self defense.

 

[bripat9643]

BTW, in case you missed it, there was an armed guard at Columbine at the time of the shooting. And, there were countless armed guards at Ft Hood.

One armed guard to protect 1500 students? that isn't what I advocate. having the vice principle and about a dozen teachers armed with concealed weapons is what is needed.

You don't want to pay teachers or provide them benefits but you want them to be fucking Rambo in addition to teaching? Y'all are just nucking futs.

Training and a pay bonus would be included. I'm certain schools will have no trouble finding volunteers.

 

[Ravi]

The NRA has announced their 'solution' to gun violence in school. Armed guards.

I'm sure that the idea will have both multiple supporters and detractors as is usually the case when one side of the political aisle suggests a solution to a problem.

However, aside from the costs associated with placing armed guards in thousands (if not tens of thousands) of schools nationwide at a time of statewide budget cuts and even more proposed federal cuts, and the fact that there are usually multiple entrances to most schools and the fact that guards would likely be the first targets of any gunmen...what about school buses? How many school buses leave a school with 50 plus students at the end of the day, every day, all across the country? Should they ALL have armed guards on them like federal Marshalls on planes?

How about community centers? Swimming pools? After school sports games in gymnasiums? Bus stops? Cross walks? Any and every public place? How about day care centers? Restaurants? How about EVERY single movie theatre? Lobbies alone? Or the actual screening theaters? How about libraries?

Is the answer to gun violence mean that America has to embrace armed guard everywhere that children and adults congregate?

"The Department of Education has counted 98,817 public schools in the United States and an additional 33,366 private schools."

So, 99,000 public schools times approximately $30,000 per armed guard...

By my calculation that's about $3 Billion a year, undoubtedly subtracted from money spent on teachers (and teaching, of course).

$30,000 is a pretty low wage. If you want someone competent they need to earn more than that.

 

[bripat9643]

And your knee jerk reaction is a huge part of the problem. Unless you own an assault rifle or massive magazines, I'm not the least bit interested in "taking" your gun and nobody but fringe mutters are. I would like to see you REQUIRED to secure your weapons, go through a background check and take an extensive training class before purchasing one too.

None of which is required by the consitution. the only disqualifiers should be felony convictions, domestic violence convictions and mental commitment. You want to have training as a requirement, it must be reasonably priced or free to eliminate an effective poll tax on the exercise of the right.

As for securing, a gun unloaded in a gun safe is worth dick for self defense. Try again.

Your gun is 43 times more likely to shoot a friend, family member or acquaintance than to be used for self defense.

Wrong. That theory is based on comparing people killed by a family member with criminals killed. Of course, in the vast majority of cases, when someone defends himself from an assailant with a gun, no shots are fired. Simply brandishing the weapon is enough to scare the assailant off.

Also, you pulled the number 43 out of your ass. The numbers aren't nearly that high.

Also, some family members are shot because they assaulted a family member with a gun. angry husbands are a classic example of that.

 

[bripat9643]

And I'm pretty sure concealed carry was legal in both AZ and CO.

True, but were talking about a Democrat campaign rally in the case of AZ. the chance of anyone carrying a concealed weapon there was indistinguishable from zero. In the case of columbine, schools are "gun free zones." In other words, they are prime hunting ground for predators.

Fail. It was a public shopping center.

It was a Democrat campaign rally in the parking lot of a shopping center. No one in the audience aside from Loughner has a gun.

 

[Koios]

And your knee jerk reaction is a huge part of the problem. Unless you own an assault rifle or massive magazines, I'm not the least bit interested in "taking" your gun and nobody but fringe mutters are. I would like to see you REQUIRED to secure your weapons, go through a background check and take an extensive training class before purchasing one too.

None of which is required by the consitution. the only disqualifiers should be felony convictions, domestic violence convictions and mental commitment. You want to have training as a requirement, it must be reasonably priced or free to eliminate an effective poll tax on the exercise of the right.

As for securing, a gun unloaded in a gun safe is worth dick for self defense. Try again.

Your gun is 43 times more likely to shoot a friend, family member or acquaintance than to be used for self defense.

So we should take up a collection to buy bripat9643's friends and family some guns?

Where do I send a check???

 

[Seawytch]

True, but were talking about a Democrat campaign rally in the case of AZ. the chance of anyone carrying a concealed weapon there was indistinguishable from zero. In the case of columbine, schools are "gun free zones." In other words, they are prime hunting ground for predators.

Fail. It was a public shopping center.

It was a Democrat campaign rally in the parking lot of a shopping center. No one in the audience aside from Loughner has a gun.

Oh...I didn't know they only gave guns to Republicans.

It was a PUBLIC shopping center.

 

[Stephanie]

BTW, in case you missed it, there was an armed guard at Columbine at the time of the shooting. And, there were countless armed guards at Ft Hood.

One armed guard to protect 1500 students? that isn't what I advocate. having the vice principle and about a dozen teachers armed with concealed weapons is what is needed.

You don't want to pay teachers or provide them benefits but you want them to be fucking Rambo in addition to teaching? Y'all are just nucking futs.

where aren't they paid and provided benefits?
How is it being Rambo to carry a concealed weapon..
good grief

 

[Seawytch]

None of which is required by the consitution. the only disqualifiers should be felony convictions, domestic violence convictions and mental commitment. You want to have training as a requirement, it must be reasonably priced or free to eliminate an effective poll tax on the exercise of the right.

As for securing, a gun unloaded in a gun safe is worth dick for self defense. Try again.

Your gun is 43 times more likely to shoot a friend, family member or acquaintance than to be used for self defense.

Wrong. That theory is based on comparing people killed by a family member with criminals killed. Of course, in the vast majority of cases, when someone defends himself from an assailant with a gun, no shots are fired. Simply brandishing the weapon is enough to scare the assailant off.

Also, you pulled the number 43 out of your ass. The numbers aren't nearly that high.

Also, some family members are shot because they assaulted a family member with a gun. angry husbands are a classic example of that.

Even if the number was half that (and its not), it's too many.

 

[bripat9643]

Fail. It was a public shopping center.

It was a Democrat campaign rally in the parking lot of a shopping center. No one in the audience aside from Loughner has a gun.

Oh...I didn't know they only gave guns to Republicans.

It was a PUBLIC shopping center.

Playing stupid seems to be your modus operandi.

 

[Lakhota]

By Evan McMorris-Santoro

There were a lot of words at the NRA presser, but the message was very simple: the NRA will not follow some of the pro-gun rights politicians in Washington into a new discussion of gun regulations. Instead, the group has created a program designed to usher more guns into schools: NRA School Shield, led by former Arkansas Rep. Asa Hutchison (R). Hutchison was on hand to explain the program, and LaPierre likened it to NRA efforts during the Second World War.

“Our training programs are the most advanced in the world. That expertise must be brought to bear to protect our schools and our children now,” he said. “We did it for the nation’s defense industries and military installations during World War II, and we’ll do it for our schools today.”

School Shield is a “multifaceted” program, LaPierre said, but it was clear that the goal was more armed guards in schools. LaPierre said Congress should get a jump start on the process by putting armed adults in all schools by the end of the holiday break.

The idea behind School Shield isn’t new for the gun lobby. Indeed, LaPierre reminded the press he suggested something similar after the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings.

More: NRA Chief Wayne LaPierre Blames Anything But Guns For Massacre | TPMDC

 

[Lakhota]

The National Guard would make more sense. As for teachers, they aren't paid or trained to provide such protection.

How do teachers feel about being armed?

Teachers Carrying Guns: Debate Follows Sandy Hook Shooting

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Adam Lanza, Liberal spokesperson

 

[Stephanie]

omg...this board is wacked

 

[jknowgood]

By Evan McMorris-Santoro

There were a lot of words at the NRA presser, but the message was very simple: the NRA will not follow some of the pro-gun rights politicians in Washington into a new discussion of gun regulations. Instead, the group has created a program designed to usher more guns into schools: NRA School Shield, led by former Arkansas Rep. Asa Hutchison (R). Hutchison was on hand to explain the program, and LaPierre likened it to NRA efforts during the Second World War.

“Our training programs are the most advanced in the world. That expertise must be brought to bear to protect our schools and our children now,” he said. “We did it for the nation’s defense industries and military installations during World War II, and we’ll do it for our schools today.”

School Shield is a “multifaceted” program, LaPierre said, but it was clear that the goal was more armed guards in schools. LaPierre said Congress should get a jump start on the process by putting armed adults in all schools by the end of the holiday break.

The idea behind School Shield isn’t new for the gun lobby. Indeed, LaPierre reminded the press he suggested something similar after the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings.

More: NRA Chief Wayne LaPierre Blames Anything But Guns For Massacre | TPMDC

If he didn't have any ideas you would be complaining. Are liberals ever satisfied?

 

[Stephanie]

By Evan McMorris-Santoro

There were a lot of words at the NRA presser, but the message was very simple: the NRA will not follow some of the pro-gun rights politicians in Washington into a new discussion of gun regulations. Instead, the group has created a program designed to usher more guns into schools: NRA School Shield, led by former Arkansas Rep. Asa Hutchison (R). Hutchison was on hand to explain the program, and LaPierre likened it to NRA efforts during the Second World War.

“Our training programs are the most advanced in the world. That expertise must be brought to bear to protect our schools and our children now,” he said. “We did it for the nation’s defense industries and military installations during World War II, and we’ll do it for our schools today.”

School Shield is a “multifaceted” program, LaPierre said, but it was clear that the goal was more armed guards in schools. LaPierre said Congress should get a jump start on the process by putting armed adults in all schools by the end of the holiday break.

The idea behind School Shield isn’t new for the gun lobby. Indeed, LaPierre reminded the press he suggested something similar after the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings.

More: NRA Chief Wayne LaPierre Blames Anything But Guns For Massacre | TPMDC

If he didn't have any ideas you would be complaining. Are liberals ever satisfied?

not that troll

 

[Ernie S.]

By Evan McMorris-Santoro

There were a lot of words at the NRA presser, but the message was very simple: the NRA will not follow some of the pro-gun rights politicians in Washington into a new discussion of gun regulations. Instead, the group has created a program designed to usher more guns into schools: NRA School Shield, led by former Arkansas Rep. Asa Hutchison (R). Hutchison was on hand to explain the program, and LaPierre likened it to NRA efforts during the Second World War.

“Our training programs are the most advanced in the world. That expertise must be brought to bear to protect our schools and our children now,” he said. “We did it for the nation’s defense industries and military installations during World War II, and we’ll do it for our schools today.”

School Shield is a “multifaceted” program, LaPierre said, but it was clear that the goal was more armed guards in schools. LaPierre said Congress should get a jump start on the process by putting armed adults in all schools by the end of the holiday break.

The idea behind School Shield isn’t new for the gun lobby. Indeed, LaPierre reminded the press he suggested something similar after the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings.

More: NRA Chief Wayne LaPierre Blames Anything But Guns For Massacre | TPMDC

Why should you be the voice? At least their idea has some chance of being effective. Can you show how banning large capacity magazines would be?