Why doesn't the DOJ Civil Rights Division defend the 2nd?

[otto105]

The text of the 2nd Amendment proves you wrong.
Try again:
Who holds the right which falls under the protection of the 2nd?

A well regulated militia


Is not in the text of the amendment?

 

[Auld Phart]

A well regulated militia


Is not in the text of the amendment?

why do you only read the first half?

 

[otto105]

why do you only read the first half?

Is every word important in the amendment?

 

[Auld Phart]

Is every word important in the amendment?

Is every word important in the amendment?

they are to me.

why arent' they to you?

 

[otto105]

they are to me.

why arent' they to you?

Why do you think I posted those words in the amendment.

Fuckup

 

[Auld Phart]

Why do you think I posted those words in the amendment.

Fuckup

no, you cherry picked the words you like.

you IGNORE where the right was given to the PEOPLE in the second half.

and you have the nerve to call someone else a 'fuckup'?

 

[otto105]

no, you cherry picked the words you like.

you IGNORE where the right was given to the PEOPLE in the second half.

and you have the nerve to call someone else a 'fuckup'?

Cherry-picked?

Hilarious

 

[Cellblock2429]

Cherry-picked?

Hilarious

/—-/ You did cherry pick, gun grabber.

 

[LuckyDuck]

According to the US Department of Justice website "The Civil Rights Division protects the civil and constitutional rights of all people in this country, enforcing the Constitution and federal laws of the United States in pursuit of our founding ideals – fundamental fairness, equal justice, and equal opportunity for all.".

So why doesn't the division litigate against states and other units of government in the defense of the 2nd amendment?

Civil Rights Division

www.justice.gov

Prosecute violations of criminal statutes that prohibit specified acts of interference with federally protected rights and activities

I know:

"the treatment of the Second Amendment as a disfavored right" - Justice Thomas

The DOJ is run by the Marxist Biden Administration and it is important to them that they must first disarm the law-abiding citizens so that when they do away with our Bill of Rights and the Constitution, the citizens can only march around and protest, not confront them with an armed rebellion.
Their method is to take the rights, especially the Second Amendment, incrementally, like they did in Socialist Nazi Germany.

 

[otto105]

The DOJ is run by the Marxist Biden Administration and it is important to them that they must first disarm the law-abiding citizens so that when they do away with our Bill of Rights and the Constitution, the citizens can only march around and protest, not confront them with an armed rebellion.
Their method is to take the rights, especially the Second Amendment, incrementally, like they did in Socialist Nazi Germany.

Damn boi, you one stupid motherfucker.

 

[woodwork201]

Yes, they did.

Correct.

That's true, they were drafted, just like the people were drafted for the Vietnam war.

They could not form their own rogue militia's.
If Franklin county Virginia had a militia, people couldn't form a separate Penhook or Redwood militia, they would be absorbed into the Franklin county militia, by virtue of a draft.
Just as the Franklin county militia may be absorbed into the Virginia militia.

No, the militia was not drafted. The very definition of the draft is in its lottery-based selection system. There was no lottery; participation was a requirement not of just citizens but for every male of age.

And I fully agree that private groups or clubs are not the militia of the Constitution or of the Founders. The militia is a state organization of which the Governor is commander-in-chief. But gun owners are certainly allowed to associate with other gun owners, to meet in the woods and develop shooting or other skills.

You really don't know the history of the laws regarding militias and arms in the founding era and before. Franklin County didn't have a militia; they had companies and battalions within the State militia. It wasn't absorbed and it wasn't drafted. Here's what the law says from the 1777 militia laws (bold emphasis mine, other emphasis in the original). Earlier laws back as far as 1619 were very similar (but they spoke funny back then).

FOR forming the citizens of this commonwealth into a militia, and disciplining the same for defence thereof, Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That all free male persons, hired servants, and apprentices, between the ages of sixteen and fifty years (except the governour and members of the council of state, members of the American congress, judges of the superiour courts, speakers of the two houses, treasurer, attorney general, commissioners of the navy, auditors, clerks of the council of state, of the treasury, and of the navy board, all ministers of the gospel licensed to preach according to the rules of their sect, who shall have previously taken before the court of their county an oath of fidelity to the commonwealth, postmasters, keepers of the publick jail and publick hospital, millers, except in the counties of Accomack and Northampton, persons concerned in iron or lead works, or persons solely employed in manufacturing fire arms, and military officers or soldiers, whether of the continent or this commonwealth, all of whom are exempted from the obligations of this act) shall, by the commanding officer of the county in which they reside, be enrolled or formed into companies of not less than thirty two, nor more than sixty eight, rand and file, and these companies shall again be formed into battalions of not more than one thousand, nor less than five hundred men, if there be so many in the county. The free mulattoes in the said companies or battalions shall be employed as drummers, fifers, or pioneers. Each company shall be commanded by a captain, two lieutenants, and an ensign; each battalion by a colonel, lieutenant colonel, and major, who shall take precedence and command of each other according to rank and seniority, and the whole by a county lieutenant.

An act for regulating and disciplining the Militia (May 5, 1777) - Encyclopedia Virginia

FOR forming the citizens of this commonwealth into a militia, and disciplining the same for defence thereof, Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That all free male persons, hired servants, and apprentices, between the ages of sixteen and fifty years (except the and members of the council of...

encyclopediavirginia.org

If you're going to persist in your arguments about things like a county militia getting drafted or absorbed, you're going to have to prove it with the laws, or other documents from the Founding era or before.

 

[woodwork201]

Is every word important in the amendment?

No, actually ever word is not important. The prefatory clause is a preamble. It means nothing in interpreting a statute. Read pages 107-110 and 265-269.

A general treatise on statutes: their rules of construction, and the proper boundaries of legislation and of judicial interpretation : Dwarris, Fortunatus, Sir, 1786-1860 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

xxiv, [33]-693 p. 24 cm

archive.org

 

[LuckyDuck]

Damn boi, you one stupid motherfucker.

Aaahh....insults. The last defense of someone losing an argument.

 

[Smokin' OP]

No, the militia was not drafted.

BS.

The Militia and Minute Men of 1775​

National Park Service (.gov)
https://www.nps.gov › mima › learn › historyculture › th...
In times of war, the militia served as the immediate defense during an attack, or as a pool of available soldiers to be drafted for extended service.

The American Militia and the Origin of Conscription​

Mises Institute
https://mises.org › journal-libertarian-studies › american-...
The first two calls garnered 13,297 draftees and 119,646 substitutes—approximately one draftee for every nine substitutes—with 84,966 paying the exemption fee.

The very definition of the draft is in its lottery-based selection system. There was no lottery; participation was a requirement not of just citizens but for every male of age.

And I fully agree that private groups or clubs are not the militia of the Constitution or of the Founders. The militia is a state organization of which the Governor is commander-in-chief. But gun owners are certainly allowed to associate with other gun owners, to meet in the woods and develop shooting or other skills.

You really don't know the history of the laws regarding militias and arms in the founding era and before.

You certainly don't.

Franklin County didn't have a militia; they had companies and battalions within the State militia.

No shit, it was an example.

It wasn't absorbed and it wasn't drafted. Here's what the law says from the 1777 militia laws (bold emphasis mine, other emphasis in the original). Earlier laws back as far as 1619 were very similar (but they spoke funny back then).

An act for regulating and disciplining the Militia (May 5, 1777) - Encyclopedia Virginia

FOR forming the citizens of this commonwealth into a militia, and disciplining the same for defence thereof, Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That all free male persons, hired servants, and apprentices, between the ages of sixteen and fifty years (except the and members of the council of...

encyclopediavirginia.org

If you're going to persist in your arguments about things like a county militia getting drafted

I just did.

or absorbed, you're going to have to prove it with the laws, or other documents from the Founding era or before.

I have some from later.

Florida Militia Muster Rolls, 1826-1900​

Florida Memory
https://www.floridamemory.com › historical_records
Taylor County, Volusia County, Wakulla County. About These Documents. These muster rolls, selected from three separate series of militia records in the State ...


When Florida became a United States territory in 1821, its inhabitants became subject to federal laws requiring all able-bodied men between the ages of 18 and 45 to enroll in their local militia. Militia units, for the most part, were managed strictly by the state or territory, only coming under federal control if pressed into national service. Florida’s territorial legislative council passed its first law organizing its militia in 1822. The law allowed for independent volunteer companies, but most of the structure was dedicated to maintaining an “enrolled” militia—one that able-bodied white men of the appropriate age theoretically belonged to at all times.

The first volunteer militia company in territorial Florida was the Florida Rangers, established in St. Augustine on August 1, 1826. At least five more volunteer units appeared around the territory that year and received the governor’s recognition.

 

[LuckyDuck]

According to the US Department of Justice website "The Civil Rights Division protects the civil and constitutional rights of all people in this country, enforcing the Constitution and federal laws of the United States in pursuit of our founding ideals – fundamental fairness, equal justice, and equal opportunity for all.".

So why doesn't the division litigate against states and other units of government in the defense of the 2nd amendment?

Civil Rights Division

www.justice.gov

Prosecute violations of criminal statutes that prohibit specified acts of interference with federally protected rights and activities

I know:

"the treatment of the Second Amendment as a disfavored right" - Justice Thomas

Those in support of the Second Amendment should ask why the military hasn't stepped in to protect our Bill of Rights. In front of cameras, General Milley had said the following: "The military doesn't support any one person or any one group. We defend the "Constitution." By doing nothing against the states blatantly going against the Second Amendment in our Bill of Rights, it shows he lied.

 

[woodwork201]

Those in support of the Second Amendment should ask why the military hasn't stepped in to protect our Bill of Rights. In front of cameras, General Milley had said the following: "The military doesn't support any one person or any one group. We defend the "Constitution." By doing nothing against the states blatantly going against the Second Amendment in our Bill of Rights, it shows he lied.

Milley is a traitor. He defied the Constitution, openly and on more than one occasion, publicly to the press stating that he would not follow the orders of the President and then, also openly and to the press, said that he had called Chinese military leaders and assured them that if the United States were going to attack China, that he would call first and warn their military leaders.

He is the worst military traitor we've had since Benedict Arnold.

 

[woodwork201]

No, the militia was not drafted.

BS.

The Militia and Minute Men of 1775​

National Park Service (.gov)
https://www.nps.gov › mima › learn › historyculture › th...
In times of war, the militia served as the immediate defense during an attack, or as a pool of available soldiers to be drafted for extended service.

The American Militia and the Origin of Conscription​

Mises Institute
https://mises.org › journal-libertarian-studies › american-...
The first two calls garnered 13,297 draftees and 119,646 substitutes—approximately one draftee for every nine substitutes—with 84,966 paying the exemption fee.

I'm going to suggest this link for you:

https://www.udemy.com/course/reading-essentials/

The Park Service article, you failed to understand, is an article, not a law. But even so, try to read the article again after completing the udemy course I linked for you on reading comprehension. What the Park Service article actually said, right there in the words you quoted, is that the militia served as a resource for drafting into the regular army. That doesn't prove the militia was staffed by draftees, it says that, once in the militia, they might be drafted for longer service in the regular army.

The very definition of the draft is in its lottery-based selection system. There was no lottery; participation was a requirement not of just citizens but for every male of age.

And I fully agree that private groups or clubs are not the militia of the Constitution or of the Founders. The militia is a state organization of which the Governor is commander-in-chief. But gun owners are certainly allowed to associate with other gun owners, to meet in the woods and develop shooting or other skills.

You really don't know the history of the laws regarding militias and arms in the founding era and before.

Click to expand...

You certainly don't.

That's pretty bizarre for you to think you know what I agree with and don't agree with. You certainly can never provide any post I have made here or anywhere in the world to backup your claim that I don't think that private club militias are the same as the militias of the States.

Franklin County didn't have a militia; they had companies and battalions within the State militia.

No shit, it was an example.

Actually, yes, shit. It was your example. You are the one that said Franklin County's militia was drafted into and merged into the State militia.

It wasn't absorbed and it wasn't drafted. Here's what the law says from the 1777 militia laws (bold emphasis mine, other emphasis in the original). Earlier laws back as far as 1619 were very similar (but they spoke funny back then).

An act for regulating and disciplining the Militia (May 5, 1777) - Encyclopedia Virginia ​

FOR forming the citizens of this commonwealth into a militia, and disciplining the same for defence thereof, Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That all free male persons, hired servants, and apprentices, between the ages of sixteen and fifty years (except the and members of the council of...

encyclopediavirginia.org





If you're going to persist in your arguments about things like a county militia getting drafted

Click to expand...

I just did.

No you didn't. You misquoted a couple Internet articles about the militia. You haven't quoted a single statute.

or absorbed, you're going to have to prove it with the laws, or other documents from the Founding era or before.

I have some from later.

Florida Militia Muster Rolls, 1826-1900​

Florida Memory
https://www.floridamemory.com › historical_records
Taylor County, Volusia County, Wakulla County. About These Documents. These muster rolls, selected from three separate series of militia records in the State ...


When Florida became a United States territory in 1821, its inhabitants became subject to federal laws requiring all able-bodied men between the ages of 18 and 45 to enroll in their local militia. Militia units, for the most part, were managed strictly by the state or territory, only coming under federal control if pressed into national service. Florida’s territorial legislative council passed its first law organizing its militia in 1822. The law allowed for independent volunteer companies, but most of the structure was dedicated to maintaining an “enrolled” militia—one that able-bodied white men of the appropriate age theoretically belonged to at all times.

The first volunteer militia company in territorial Florida was the Florida Rangers, established in St. Augustine on August 1, 1826. At least five more volunteer units appeared around the territory that year and received the governor’s recognition.

Well, more articles and no laws. And these were post 1791 and also for a new state. The assembly of a militia from existing militias in a land not a state, as they become a state, could go in a slightly different order but the result is the same. They didn't merge into the State militia. The local militias formed, even if crediting the articles as being accurate, were formed in direct response, according to the articles, of the laws requiring state militias and every county to have components in the state militias.

The thing that amazes me about people in these forums is that even when proven absolutely wrong, blowhards like you will never simply admit they were wrong, or even just drop it and move on to the next thread. Blowhards like you always continue to make shit up, lie about what they said and about what their references say.

There are options here. You could prove you're a man and say, "whoops. I was wrong. Learned something today." Or you could, like a coward, just shut up and move on to the next thread. But, instead, you choose not to be a man, and not even to be a coward. Instead, you choose to be an idiot. Well, don't feel too badly; you're certainly not the first to go through this with me proving them absolutely wrong on this or other sites. You won't be the last. The world has far too many idiots.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Those in support of the Second Amendment should ask why the military hasn't stepped in to protect our Bill of Rights. In front of cameras, General Milley had said the following: "The military doesn't support any one person or any one group. We defend the "Constitution." By doing nothing against the states blatantly going against the Second Amendment in our Bill of Rights, it shows he lied.

/——/ The military is tightly controlled by Congress and POTUS. That is why the COC is a civilian. No military leader has the authority to act on his or her own. The military protects us from foreign invaders and to defend our interests outside our border.
It was set up this way because King George used the red coats to counter British citizens at his will.
More info: The President and the Domestic Deployment of the Military: Answers to Five Key Questions

 

[Auld Phart]

Those in support of the Second Amendment should ask why the military hasn't stepped in to protect our Bill of Rights. In front of cameras, General Milley had said the following: "The military doesn't support any one person or any one group. We defend the "Constitution." By doing nothing against the states blatantly going against the Second Amendment in our Bill of Rights, it shows he lied.

Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Cellblock2429]

Is every word important in the amendment?

/----/ That's gotta be the dumbest question of the last 5 years on USMB. Yes, Spanky. All the words in the amendments are important. You can't pick and choose. GEEEZE