North Carolina needed 6,500 farm workers. Only 7 Americans stuck it out.

[Harry Dresden]

farm work or picking crops all summer long?....

All of it. When I was a kid, almost every cucumber picker was a white teenager. Today, they can't? Nope. They just don't want to.

Try loading 7 semis a day with 100 pound bags of potatoes, 450 bags per semi, and tell me how I couldn't do it. And I was 15 when I did that.

Mark

so if you are admitting no one wants to do it,why do you think that is?....

Pay. As I carpenter, I will do my job for a fair wage. If I am not compensated fairly, I won't do the job.

There is a vast difference between can't and won't.

Mark

the wage thing aint going to change anytime soon.....

It will when the Feds kick out the illegal aliens. That would also make it less of a culture shock when Americans start doing those jobs. Many people are wary of working with armed criminals who don't speak their language and are angry because they think the gringos chicano and mayate are trying to steal their jobs.

no it wont.....there have been migrant farm workers since the 20's-30's....and working with armed criminals?...lol....thats a new one....

 

[Harry Dresden]

farm work or picking crops all summer long?....

All of it. When I was a kid, almost every cucumber picker was a white teenager. Today, they can't? Nope. They just don't want to.

Try loading 7 semis a day with 100 pound bags of potatoes, 450 bags per semi, and tell me how I couldn't do it. And I was 15 when I did that.

Mark

so if you are admitting no one wants to do it,why do you think that is?....

Pay. As I carpenter, I will do my job for a fair wage. If I am not compensated fairly, I won't do the job.

There is a vast difference between can't and won't.

Mark

the wage thing aint going to change anytime soon.....

Then the crops rot. Oh well.

Mark

yea like they are going to just let that happen....

 

[Muhammed]

All of it. When I was a kid, almost every cucumber picker was a white teenager. Today, they can't? Nope. They just don't want to.

Try loading 7 semis a day with 100 pound bags of potatoes, 450 bags per semi, and tell me how I couldn't do it. And I was 15 when I did that.

Mark

so if you are admitting no one wants to do it,why do you think that is?....

Pay. As I carpenter, I will do my job for a fair wage. If I am not compensated fairly, I won't do the job.

There is a vast difference between can't and won't.

Mark

the wage thing aint going to change anytime soon.....

It will when the Feds kick out the illegal aliens. That would also make it less of a culture shock when Americans start doing those jobs. Many people are wary of working with armed criminals who don't speak their language and are angry because they think the gringos chicano and mayate are trying to steal their jobs.

no it wont.....there have been migrant farm workers since the 20's-30's....and working with armed criminals?...lol....thats a new one....

New to you, but true. If they are illegal immigrants they are criminals. And you can't harvest lettuce, celery, radicchio, etc. without a good knife.

Illegal alien + armed with a knife = armed criminal.

 

[Harry Dresden]

so if you are admitting no one wants to do it,why do you think that is?....

Pay. As I carpenter, I will do my job for a fair wage. If I am not compensated fairly, I won't do the job.

There is a vast difference between can't and won't.

Mark

the wage thing aint going to change anytime soon.....

It will when the Feds kick out the illegal aliens. That would also make it less of a culture shock when Americans start doing those jobs. Many people are wary of working with armed criminals who don't speak their language and are angry because they think the gringos chicano and mayate are trying to steal their jobs.

no it wont.....there have been migrant farm workers since the 20's-30's....and working with armed criminals?...lol....thats a new one....

New to you, but true. If they are illegal immigrants they are criminals. And you can't harvest lettuce, celery, radicchio, etc. without a good knife.

oh geezus.....lol......you should climb aboard the "paranoid" bus with tiger....

 

[Pop23]

Funny, I grew up in NC. There were very few "immigrants", illegal or otherwise. The farm work got done well enough by the "lazy rubes". Oh, yeah, government handouts were pretty much non-existent, too. Here's a suggestion, ship all the illegal invaders back to their places of origin. Eliminate public assistance, and then see how fast your "lazy rubes" find time and energy to do those agricultural jobs.

Funny, I grew up in NC.

Explains a lot

I think it's funny how the progressives only want illegals here...........

TO DO BACK BREAKING WORK!

What bigots the left are.

 

[Muhammed]

Pay. As I carpenter, I will do my job for a fair wage. If I am not compensated fairly, I won't do the job.

There is a vast difference between can't and won't.

Mark

the wage thing aint going to change anytime soon.....

It will when the Feds kick out the illegal aliens. That would also make it less of a culture shock when Americans start doing those jobs. Many people are wary of working with armed criminals who don't speak their language and are angry because they think the gringos chicano and mayate are trying to steal their jobs.

no it wont.....there have been migrant farm workers since the 20's-30's....and working with armed criminals?...lol....thats a new one....

New to you, but true. If they are illegal immigrants they are criminals. And you can't harvest lettuce, celery, radicchio, etc. without a good knife.

oh geezus.....lol......you should climb aboard the "paranoid" bus with tiger....

Ad hominem logical fallacies do nothing to change the facts and do not support your argument.

 

[80zephyr]

All of it. When I was a kid, almost every cucumber picker was a white teenager. Today, they can't? Nope. They just don't want to.

Try loading 7 semis a day with 100 pound bags of potatoes, 450 bags per semi, and tell me how I couldn't do it. And I was 15 when I did that.

Mark

so if you are admitting no one wants to do it,why do you think that is?....

Pay. As I carpenter, I will do my job for a fair wage. If I am not compensated fairly, I won't do the job.

There is a vast difference between can't and won't.

Mark

the wage thing aint going to change anytime soon.....

Then the crops rot. Oh well.

Mark

yea like they are going to just let that happen....

Well, then they will pay the wages necessary to get the crops picked.

Mark

 

[Harry Dresden]

so if you are admitting no one wants to do it,why do you think that is?....

Pay. As I carpenter, I will do my job for a fair wage. If I am not compensated fairly, I won't do the job.

There is a vast difference between can't and won't.

Mark

the wage thing aint going to change anytime soon.....

Then the crops rot. Oh well.

Mark

yea like they are going to just let that happen....

Well, then they will pay the wages necessary to get the crops picked.

Mark

no they will do like they have always done....migrant workers.....

 

[gallantwarrior]

Lazy assed rubes


That data is interesting, because it describes the labor market before any immigrant workers are recruited. That, as Clemens says, "allows us to assess the willingness of native workers to take farm jobs before they can even be offered to foreign workers, meaning that this study does not miss any impact caused by people who self-select out of an area or occupation because of competition with foreign workers."

That willingness, he finds, is basically nonexistent. Every year from 1998 to 2012, at least 130,000 North Carolinians were unemployed. Of those, the number who asked to be referred to NCGA was never above 268 (and that number was only reached in 2011, when 489,095 North Carolinians were unemployed). The share of unemployed asking for referrals never breached 0.09 percent.

When native unemployed people are referred to NCGA, they're almost without exception hired; between 1998 and 2011, 97 percent of referred applicants were hired. But they don't tend to last.

Mexican workers are far likelier to stick through the season than native-born workers. About 90 percent were still working five months along, compared to less than 10 percent of native-born workers:

North Carolina needed 6,500 farm workers. Only 7 Americans stuck it out.

you have to be cut out to do that shit......the migrant farm workers out here are "born" into it...

Any person who is not disabled can do farm work.

yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....

Why do "those" people do the work for the wages they receive?

why dont you ask one of them?....

Their answer: we need the work to pay for what we need. There is some credibility to the observation that immigrants, and illegal invaders, too, will work as hard as they need to in order to earn their livings.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Any person who is not disabled can do farm work.

yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....

In other words, they need to pay them more.

even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....

It is not very difficult work. If it is so physically demanding, how do you explain the fact that so many migrant farm workers are female?

thats not true,the great majority are young males.....and its not difficult,its physically tough....give it a try some time mohammad....
The National Agricultural Workers Survey, Employment & Training Administration (ETA) - U.S. Department of Labor

Summary of Findings

• Farm workers were young: their average age was 33, and half were younger than 31.
• Seventy-nine percent were men.
• Fifty-seven percent were living apart from all nuclear family members when they were interviewed.

http://www.unctv.org/content/sites/default/files/0000011508-fs-Migrant Demographics.pdf

Gender and Family
79 percent of migrant and seasonal farm workers were male and 21 percent were female. Women were more likely to be born in the United States than men, with 33 percent of women and 20 percent of men being U.S.- born citizens.

Your citation referring to the percentage of males living away from, yet supporting, the nuclear family reminds me of the TVA and other work programs inspired by the Great Depression. Men were willing to move to a location away from their families in order to take jobs and earn money they would send back to the family to support wives and children.

 

[gallantwarrior]

you have to be cut out to do that shit......the migrant farm workers out here are "born" into it...

Any person who is not disabled can do farm work.

yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....

In other words, they need to pay them more.

Let say you went to these kind of work........... How much do you think you should get pay? Last time I heard these people get paid between $8 to $10 to $15.
If you are not cut out for these kind of jobs guarantee you will not last.

Even my buddy Trump he hired foreign workers for his vineyard at $15/hour plus board and lodging. I've been to vineyard many times here in Temecula and Napa valley vineyard. Working in vineyard is the easiest job compared to any kind of agricultural jobs. Any high school kids can do this job but Trump cannot find a local kids.
The same thing with his Maralago resort............ he said he can't find waitress and cook in Florida so he hired foreign people for his resort. Asshole.

Americans have been led to believe they are worth much more than they are. We have priced ourselves out of the market and public assistance pays better than a real job.

 

[frigidweirdo]

After we boot the illegals, we can start a temporary farm worker program.

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program. Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

 

[gallantwarrior]

yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....

In other words, they need to pay them more.

even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....

I was "Joey the kid on summer vacation", and I did farm work.

Mark

farm work or picking crops all summer long?....

All of it. When I was a kid, almost every cucumber picker was a white teenager. Today, they can't? Nope. They just don't want to.

Try loading 7 semis a day with 100 pound bags of potatoes, 450 bags per semi, and tell me how I couldn't do it. And I was 15 when I did that.

Mark

Up here, it's white kids who are bucking hay onto the trailers. I would be ecstatic to hire one of those kids to come back to my place and help me buck hay and stack it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

After we boot the illegals, we can start a temporary farm worker program.

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program. Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program.

Bring back a few, not the millions we'll boot.

Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Maybe if they all registered at an ICE office, we could pick the few we'll keep and it'll be easier to boot the rest?
And if you don't register, you can never return once deported......

 

[frigidweirdo]

After we boot the illegals, we can start a temporary farm worker program.

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program. Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program.

Bring back a few, not the millions we'll boot.

Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Maybe if they all registered at an ICE office, we could pick the few we'll keep and it'll be easier to boot the rest?
And if you don't register, you can never return once deported......

But you still want to boot people you will bring back. It's absurd.

Maybe if they registered, oh, wait, no, they'll get kicked out if they register for anything. Great plan....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

After we boot the illegals, we can start a temporary farm worker program.

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program. Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program.

Bring back a few, not the millions we'll boot.

Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Maybe if they all registered at an ICE office, we could pick the few we'll keep and it'll be easier to boot the rest?
And if you don't register, you can never return once deported......

But you still want to boot people you will bring back. It's absurd.

Maybe if they registered, oh, wait, no, they'll get kicked out if they register for anything. Great plan....

But you still want to boot people you will bring back.

Yup, boot millions, permanently, bring back thousands, temporarily.

they'll get kicked out if they register for anything.

It is a dilemma, isn't it?

 

[frigidweirdo]

After we boot the illegals, we can start a temporary farm worker program.

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program. Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program.

Bring back a few, not the millions we'll boot.

Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Maybe if they all registered at an ICE office, we could pick the few we'll keep and it'll be easier to boot the rest?
And if you don't register, you can never return once deported......

But you still want to boot people you will bring back. It's absurd.

Maybe if they registered, oh, wait, no, they'll get kicked out if they register for anything. Great plan....

But you still want to boot people you will bring back.

Yup, boot millions, permanently, bring back thousands, temporarily.

they'll get kicked out if they register for anything.

It is a dilemma, isn't it?

It's like putting a 5 year old in charge of something, you know you're going to come up with something that just doesn't work properly.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

After we boot the illegals, we can start a temporary farm worker program.

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program. Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program.

Bring back a few, not the millions we'll boot.

Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Maybe if they all registered at an ICE office, we could pick the few we'll keep and it'll be easier to boot the rest?
And if you don't register, you can never return once deported......

But you still want to boot people you will bring back. It's absurd.

Maybe if they registered, oh, wait, no, they'll get kicked out if they register for anything. Great plan....

But you still want to boot people you will bring back.

Yup, boot millions, permanently, bring back thousands, temporarily.

they'll get kicked out if they register for anything.

It is a dilemma, isn't it?

It's like putting a 5 year old in charge of something, you know you're going to come up with something that just doesn't work properly.

Why doesn't a temporary farm worker program work properly?
Get the temporary visa, work a few months, take your money back home.
No overstaying, no huge expenses to US society, no anchor babies, no problem.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program. Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program.

Bring back a few, not the millions we'll boot.

Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Maybe if they all registered at an ICE office, we could pick the few we'll keep and it'll be easier to boot the rest?
And if you don't register, you can never return once deported......

But you still want to boot people you will bring back. It's absurd.

Maybe if they registered, oh, wait, no, they'll get kicked out if they register for anything. Great plan....

But you still want to boot people you will bring back.

Yup, boot millions, permanently, bring back thousands, temporarily.

they'll get kicked out if they register for anything.

It is a dilemma, isn't it?

It's like putting a 5 year old in charge of something, you know you're going to come up with something that just doesn't work properly.

Why doesn't a temporary farm worker program work properly?
Get the temporary visa, work a few months, take your money back home.
No overstaying, no huge expenses to US society, no anchor babies, no problem.

I didn't say a temporary farm worker program wouldn't work properly.

You think it doesn't cause problems? Yeah, sure, implement something and it will be all sunshine and roses, right....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wow, put loads of effort into booting people out, then bring them back again on a visa program.

Bring back a few, not the millions we'll boot.

Why not just start the visa program and put these people on it?

Maybe if they all registered at an ICE office, we could pick the few we'll keep and it'll be easier to boot the rest?
And if you don't register, you can never return once deported......

But you still want to boot people you will bring back. It's absurd.

Maybe if they registered, oh, wait, no, they'll get kicked out if they register for anything. Great plan....

But you still want to boot people you will bring back.

Yup, boot millions, permanently, bring back thousands, temporarily.

they'll get kicked out if they register for anything.

It is a dilemma, isn't it?

It's like putting a 5 year old in charge of something, you know you're going to come up with something that just doesn't work properly.

Why doesn't a temporary farm worker program work properly?
Get the temporary visa, work a few months, take your money back home.
No overstaying, no huge expenses to US society, no anchor babies, no problem.

I didn't say a temporary farm worker program wouldn't work properly.

You think it doesn't cause problems? Yeah, sure, implement something and it will be all sunshine and roses, right....

I'm sure there will be bumps along the way.
We'll deal with them.