The Reality of Deportaions

[danielpalos]

Much of what illegals earn isn't spent here and does not benefit our economy. They send the money home in remittances. After oil, remittances is Mexico 's second most profitable source of income.

Far from being innocent, stealing the identity of another inflicts serious harm on the victims. Their credit is ruined. Sometimes they end up owing thousands of dollars. The victim might find that htireis or her retirement benefits have been stolen. Identity theft is not a victimless crime.

Pack them up and send them back.

True to form, you are stating an opinion as fact, and for some reason that is beyond me, seem to think that you need not bother to provide any documentation. That is an appeal to ignorance fallacy but I would not expect more from you.

You have zero credibility. Any one who would claim that same sex marriage leads to cannibalism and that many gay men are in fact cannibals is not to be taken seriously. You did say those things and more!

Same sex marriage does not lead to cannibalism. There are gay men who are cannibals. Does Jeffrey Dahmer ring a bell?

If you are trying to suggest that there are no victims of identity theft you need help beyond the capacity of a message board to provide.

Thank you for again demonstrating that you have nothing meaningful, factual or honest to contribute to a discussion of the economics of immigration. Identity theft WTF!!!

^^^ The OP is serious that it's never heard of identity theft, nor the damage it causes?

have you ever heard of a "Congressional Continental"?

Why did Congress go on printing money for so long a time rather than attempt some sort of taxation? Just as today, there was a mindset among politicians which made them want to avoid the unpleasant. One member of the Continental Congress was quoted as saying: "Do you think, gentlemen, that I will consent to load my constituents with taxes, when we can send to our printer and get a wagon load of money, one quire of which will pay for the whole?".--https://www.founderspatriots.org/articles/continental.php

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Don't sneak across the border and you won't get deported.

Simple

Simple, but the left can't even comprehend simple comcepts

we only need Ten religious Commandments; just don't be immoral and we won't need any more laws.

You really are ignorant and a collosal waste of time.

In essence your typical loon trying to look intelligent and everyone knows better

 

[danielpalos]

We'll need to fast forward a few years to know exactly what the impact will be. I'd be in favor of "amnesty" for those who have lived here a long time without committing any additional crimes other than sneaking in. Allowing them to get a green card and start contributing to the pot would not only serve the industries that rely on them, it would be more fair for everyone.
We can always up the number of work visas for agricultural workers if we have to. I can't support illegal entry, though, or doing nothing about it.

a market friendly visa can solve our problem via capitalism. the national socialist right wing, prefers to "ditch capitalism", for their socialism on a national basis.

 

[danielpalos]

There is NO excuse for sneaking across our borders and skirting our immigration laws.

Anyone who is okay with this form of immigration is a bad American, and a traitor to our nations sovereignty

Is that supposed to be an actual response to the issues that I raised?

Had you actually read all the Wikipedia content you would have concluded the exact opposite of what you're attempting to spin.
About 50% of illegals pay fuck all in federal income taxes.
The other 50% pay about 6-8%. What they receive in numerous free government aid programs by far outweighs the messly 6-8% they put in.
Anyway they are in the country and as long as they aren't committing crimes.........like using stolen identities from innocent people they'll 100% be allowed to stay.
All President Trump is trying to do is stop anymore from sneaking into the country......some carrying 40 pound packs of heroin which was the deal they made with the Mexican government.....sorry, the cartels to be able to sneak across the border without having to pay the Mexican government........sorry, the cartels.

did you know, that the poor and Mr. Trump, pay the personal income taxes they are legally obligated to pay?

 

[danielpalos]

As consumers, illegal immigrants buy goods and services, which stimulates economic growth, while paying taxes and receiving minimal benefits.

Here in Chicago, we spend about $13,500 per year for every illegal alien student in our public schools.
How much in taxes do the parents pay toward that tab?

The OP acknowledged that the undocumented may have a negative impact on the cost of education. However, if you read it in it's entirety with the comprehension of a first grader, you would know that is only one small aspect of the larger picture. On balance, immigrants are responsible for a net gain to the overall economic picture and are not a drain on local governments. You either are wearing blinders or are being deliberately dishonest.

There is a problem in your logic. If you want, I can give you links to challenge your assertion that these immigrants are a benefit. And to what end? You will believe what you want, and I'll still believe what I want.

So, whats the truth? Consider this. In this country, poor American citizens cost this country much more than they produce. Can you show me even one study that shows our own poor as being an economic benefit?

So, what makes you think that any study that claims the poor from another country would benefit our economy, when our own poor do not, would be accurate?

Mark

This is our current reality, even with illegal immigration:

The United States is the world's largest national economy in nominal terms and second largest according to purchasing power parity (PPP), representing 22% of nominal global GDP and 17% of gross world product (GWP).--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States

The rich are getting richer faster than ever before; and, the poor can usually still get steak and lobster on their ebt cards.

 

[danielpalos]

As consumers, illegal immigrants buy goods and services, which stimulates economic growth, while paying taxes and receiving minimal benefits.

Here in Chicago, we spend about $13,500 per year for every illegal alien student in our public schools.
How much in taxes do the parents pay toward that tab?

The OP acknowledged that the undocumented may have a negative impact on the cost of education. However, if you read it in it's entirety with the comprehension of a first grader, you would know that is only one small aspect of the larger picture. On balance, immigrants are responsible for a net gain to the overall economic picture and are not a drain on local governments. You either are wearing blinders or are being deliberately dishonest.

The OP acknowledged that the undocumented may have a negative impact on the cost of education.

And on law enforcement and healthcare.

you would know that is only one small aspect of the larger picture.

CPS is broke. Worse than broke, they owe $10s of billions in pension shortfalls.

On balance, immigrants are responsible for a net gain to the overall economic picture and are not a drain on local governments.

BS. Low skilled, uneducated illegal aliens are a bigger drain than similarly skilled citizens.
Maybe your local government doesn't mind the extra drain, Chicago can't afford it.
Unfortunately our moron mayor will man the barricades to protect the illegals.

And where exactly are you getting all of this from. ? The same hate group that you previously cited?

And where exactly are you getting all of this from. ?

We educate illegal aliens kids. We arrest, prosecute and jail illegal alien criminals and we give free healthcare to illegal alien patients in our hospitals.

You probably think these are benefits to our local governments, but you've already showed us that you're a moron.

legals are worse. a market friendly visa would ensure we make money on each an every Person, and ensure there is no need for identity fraud; but, that requires capitalism, not socialism on a national basis.

 

[danielpalos]

The OP acknowledged that the undocumented may have a negative impact on the cost of education. However, if you read it in it's entirety with the comprehension of a first grader, you would know that is only one small aspect of the larger picture. On balance, immigrants are responsible for a net gain to the overall economic picture and are not a drain on local governments. You either are wearing blinders or are being deliberately dishonest.

The OP acknowledged that the undocumented may have a negative impact on the cost of education.

And on law enforcement and healthcare.

you would know that is only one small aspect of the larger picture.

CPS is broke. Worse than broke, they owe $10s of billions in pension shortfalls.

On balance, immigrants are responsible for a net gain to the overall economic picture and are not a drain on local governments.

BS. Low skilled, uneducated illegal aliens are a bigger drain than similarly skilled citizens.
Maybe your local government doesn't mind the extra drain, Chicago can't afford it.
Unfortunately our moron mayor will man the barricades to protect the illegals.

And where exactly are you getting all of this from. ? The same hate group that you previously cited?

And where exactly are you getting all of this from. ?

We educate illegal aliens kids. We arrest, prosecute and jail illegal alien criminals and we give free healthcare to illegal alien patients in our hospitals.

You probably think these are benefits to our local governments, but you've already showed us that you're a moron.

Let me spoon feed you a few tidbits:

CBO study
During 2007, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reviewed 29 reports published over 15 years on the impact of unauthorized immigrants on the budgets of state and local governments. While cautioning that the reports are not a suitable basis for developing an aggregate national effect across all states, they concluded that:[20]
State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs;

The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions;
The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to them, the impact is modest, and most do not qualify for them;

Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs of necessities

. Four now!! Your boy Trump will ensure that your local budget get blown up real good when he starts to with hold those funds

But Ernesto Zedillo, former President of Mexico and current Director of the Yale Center for the Study of Globalization, who we quoted above asserts that illegal immigrants are only a drain on government services when they are incapable of paying taxes; and that this incapacity is the result of restrictive federal policies that require proof of citizenship.

Same here!!

Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.[20] Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay in about $7 billion per year into Social Security.[30] In addition, they spend millions of dollars per year, which supports the US economy and helps to create new jobs.

There is more but you will just ignore it for a third time

The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions;

When you're in the hole, spending billions on illegals is a big help.

illegal immigrants are only a drain on government services when they are incapable of paying taxes;

Working for cash tends to reduce government revenues.

In addition, they spend millions of dollars per year, which supports the US economy and helps to create new jobs.

That's excellent news! They'll be a boon to their home country's economy when they return.

How is the US worse off with foreign Persons, who only need to be, "fee-ed or fined" into legality with a market friendly visa. It could be renewable annually. Only the right wing prefers to, "ditch capitalism" for socialism on a national basis.

 

[danielpalos]

Jesus fucking Christ!! More stupidity and cruelty!! Have they thought what this will do to the children?? Have they thought how much it will cost to house them. Fucking stupid bastards!!

Exclusive: Trump administration considering separating women, children at U.S.-Mexico border

The policy shift would allow the government to keep parents in custody while they contest deportation or wait for asylum hearings. Children would be put into protective custody with the Department of Health and Human Services, in the "least restrictive setting" while until they can be taken into the care of a U.S. relative or state-sponsored guardian.

Currently, families contesting deportation or applying for asylum are generally released from detention quickly and allowed to remain in the United States until their cases are resolved. A federal appeals court ruling bars prolonged child detention

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Should we inform, less developed nations, that they should consider paying their citizenry to be couch potatoes, instead of coming over here to make us look bad, with a work ethic from the Age of Iron?

 

[danielpalos]

Jesus fucking Christ!! More stupidity and cruelty!! Have they thought what this will do to the children?? Have they thought how much it will cost to house them. Fucking stupid bastards!!

Exclusive: Trump administration considering separating women, children at U.S.-Mexico border

The policy shift would allow the government to keep parents in custody while they contest deportation or wait for asylum hearings. Children would be put into protective custody with the Department of Health and Human Services, in the "least restrictive setting" while until they can be taken into the care of a U.S. relative or state-sponsored guardian.

Currently, families contesting deportation or applying for asylum are generally released from detention quickly and allowed to remain in the United States until their cases are resolved. A federal appeals court ruling bars prolonged child detention

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Have they thought what this will do to the children??

Illegals with children should plan their trips back home now.

a market friendly work visa would mean, more qualified labor would be more likely to come over, and less qualified labor would be more likely to stay home and move up.

 

[danielpalos]

Jesus fucking Christ!! More stupidity and cruelty!! Have they thought what this will do to the children?? Have they thought how much it will cost to house them. Fucking stupid bastards!!

Exclusive: Trump administration considering separating women, children at U.S.-Mexico border

The policy shift would allow the government to keep parents in custody while they contest deportation or wait for asylum hearings. Children would be put into protective custody with the Department of Health and Human Services, in the "least restrictive setting" while until they can be taken into the care of a U.S. relative or state-sponsored guardian.

Currently, families contesting deportation or applying for asylum are generally released from detention quickly and allowed to remain in the United States until their cases are resolved. A federal appeals court ruling bars prolonged child detention

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So, you want to release illegal aliens on to the streets and ask them to come back to court for a hearing on whether they can stay in the country?

it is only worse for them, if they don't.

 

[danielpalos]

Jesus fucking Christ!! More stupidity and cruelty!! Have they thought what this will do to the children?? Have they thought how much it will cost to house them. Fucking stupid bastards!!

Exclusive: Trump administration considering separating women, children at U.S.-Mexico border

The policy shift would allow the government to keep parents in custody while they contest deportation or wait for asylum hearings. Children would be put into protective custody with the Department of Health and Human Services, in the "least restrictive setting" while until they can be taken into the care of a U.S. relative or state-sponsored guardian.

Currently, families contesting deportation or applying for asylum are generally released from detention quickly and allowed to remain in the United States until their cases are resolved. A federal appeals court ruling bars prolonged child detention

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So, you want to release illegal aliens on to the streets and ask them to come back to court for a hearing on whether they can stay in the country?

So you want to wrench young children away from mothers at great expense to the tax payers, and inflict immense psychological damage to them? You cant even begin to relate to the humanitarian aspects of this, can you? What kind of a human being are you anyway??!!

Answering a question with a question is generally a form of Dodge.

We are done pretending that people who are already here illegally can be trusted to come back to the hearing where they might be deported.

only criminal aliens do that; not civil aliens.

 

[danielpalos]

So you want to wrench young children away from mothers at great expense to the tax payers, and inflict immense psychological damage to them? You cant even begin to relate to the humanitarian aspects of this, can you? What kind of a human being are you anyway??!!

They commited a FELONY. They got caught. Its on them.

Mexico's not such a bad place. I'm sure they'd love going HOME again.

it is a civil offense, not a criminal offense.

 

[Correll]

Jesus fucking Christ!! More stupidity and cruelty!! Have they thought what this will do to the children?? Have they thought how much it will cost to house them. Fucking stupid bastards!!

Exclusive: Trump administration considering separating women, children at U.S.-Mexico border

The policy shift would allow the government to keep parents in custody while they contest deportation or wait for asylum hearings. Children would be put into protective custody with the Department of Health and Human Services, in the "least restrictive setting" while until they can be takeshn into the care of a U.S. relative or state-sponsored guardian.

Currently, families contesting deportation or applying for asylum are generally released from detention quickly and allowed to remain in the United States until their cases are resolved. A federal appeals court ruling bars prolonged child detention

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So, you want to release illegal aliens on to the streets and ask them to come back to court for a hearing on whether they can stay in the country?

it is only worse for them, if they don't.

How so?

IF they just move and don't tell the feds where they went, they get to remain illegal aliens in a FIrst World Nation.

IF they show up, they might get deported.

 

[Unkotare]

Is that supposed to be an actual response to the issues that I raised

We get it. You don't believe in borders or laws.

We're done with that.

no actual rebuttal to the argument presented; how, right wing of you.

Rebuttal to 4 off-topic troll posts?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As consumers, illegal immigrants buy goods and services, which stimulates economic growth, while paying taxes and receiving minimal benefits.

Here in Chicago, we spend about $13,500 per year for every illegal alien student in our public schools.
How much in taxes do the parents pay toward that tab?

local taxes fund public schools; the answer may surprise you, if we consider the cost of taxes and the amount of income in terms of percentages.

the answer may surprise you,

A tiny fraction......doesn't surprise me at all.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Trump’s Muslim ban may be getting Iraqi Christians in Detroit deported

Immigration officials have rounded up dozens of Chaldean Christians living in Michigan, sparking protests from family members and advocates who say deporting the detainees back to Iraq is equivalent to a “death sentence.”

According to The Detroit News, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents began their crack down on immigrant Chaldean Christians over the weekend, arresting anywhere from 40 to 100 people at or near their homes — mostly on Sunday.

 

[RodISHI]

Trump’s Muslim ban may be getting Iraqi Christians in Detroit deported

Immigration officials have rounded up dozens of Chaldean Christians living in Michigan, sparking protests from family members and advocates who say deporting the detainees back to Iraq is equivalent to a “death sentence.”

According to The Detroit News, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents began their crack down on immigrant Chaldean Christians over the weekend, arresting anywhere from 40 to 100 people at or near their homes — mostly on Sunday.

Maybe another country desires to keep criminals but we don't.
A U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman, Khaalid Walls, confirmed the arrests Monday in a statement, saying those who were rounded up had been convicted of crimes.

 

[Correll]

Trump’s Muslim ban may be getting Iraqi Christians in Detroit deported

Immigration officials have rounded up dozens of Chaldean Christians living in Michigan, sparking protests from family members and advocates who say deporting the detainees back to Iraq is equivalent to a “death sentence.”

According to The Detroit News, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents began their crack down on immigrant Chaldean Christians over the weekend, arresting anywhere from 40 to 100 people at or near their homes — mostly on Sunday.

You lefties should have thought of this before you exhausted America's generosity with millions and millions of Third World economic migrants.

 

[danielpalos]

Jesus fucking Christ!! More stupidity and cruelty!! Have they thought what this will do to the children?? Have they thought how much it will cost to house them. Fucking stupid bastards!!

Exclusive: Trump administration considering separating women, children at U.S.-Mexico border

The policy shift would allow the government to keep parents in custody while they contest deportation or wait for asylum hearings. Children would be put into protective custody with the Department of Health and Human Services, in the "least restrictive setting" while until they can be takeshn into the care of a U.S. relative or state-sponsored guardian.

Currently, families contesting deportation or applying for asylum are generally released from detention quickly and allowed to remain in the United States until their cases are resolved. A federal appeals court ruling bars prolonged child detention

.

So, you want to release illegal aliens on to the streets and ask them to come back to court for a hearing on whether they can stay in the country?

it is only worse for them, if they don't.

How so?

IF they just move and don't tell the feds where they went, they get to remain illegal aliens in a FIrst World Nation.

IF they show up, they might get deported.

Failure to appear makes it worse; and gives a State cause, to shift costs of incorrigibles, to the federal government.

 

[danielpalos]

As consumers, illegal immigrants buy goods and services, which stimulates economic growth, while paying taxes and receiving minimal benefits.

Here in Chicago, we spend about $13,500 per year for every illegal alien student in our public schools.
How much in taxes do the parents pay toward that tab?

local taxes fund public schools; the answer may surprise you, if we consider the cost of taxes and the amount of income in terms of percentages.

the answer may surprise you,

A tiny fraction......doesn't surprise me at all.

a tiny fraction by a lot of people, is not a small amount.