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In other words, they need to pay them more.yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....Any person who is not disabled can do farm work.you have to be cut out to do that shit......the migrant farm workers out here are "born" into it...Lazy assed rubes
That data is interesting, because it describes the labor market before any immigrant workers are recruited. That, as Clemens says, "allows us to assess the willingness of native workers to take farm jobs before they can even be offered to foreign workers, meaning that this study does not miss any impact caused by people who self-select out of an area or occupation because of competition with foreign workers."
That willingness, he finds, is basically nonexistent. Every year from 1998 to 2012, at least 130,000 North Carolinians were unemployed. Of those, the number who asked to be referred to NCGA was never above 268 (and that number was only reached in 2011, when 489,095 North Carolinians were unemployed). The share of unemployed asking for referrals never breached 0.09 percent.
When native unemployed people are referred to NCGA, they're almost without exception hired; between 1998 and 2011, 97 percent of referred applicants were hired. But they don't tend to last.
Mexican workers are far likelier to stick through the season than native-born workers. About 90 percent were still working five months along, compared to less than 10 percent of native-born workers:
North Carolina needed 6,500 farm workers. Only 7 Americans stuck it out.
Why do "those" people do the work for the wages they receive?yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....Any person who is not disabled can do farm work.you have to be cut out to do that shit......the migrant farm workers out here are "born" into it...Lazy assed rubes
That data is interesting, because it describes the labor market before any immigrant workers are recruited. That, as Clemens says, "allows us to assess the willingness of native workers to take farm jobs before they can even be offered to foreign workers, meaning that this study does not miss any impact caused by people who self-select out of an area or occupation because of competition with foreign workers."
That willingness, he finds, is basically nonexistent. Every year from 1998 to 2012, at least 130,000 North Carolinians were unemployed. Of those, the number who asked to be referred to NCGA was never above 268 (and that number was only reached in 2011, when 489,095 North Carolinians were unemployed). The share of unemployed asking for referrals never breached 0.09 percent.
When native unemployed people are referred to NCGA, they're almost without exception hired; between 1998 and 2011, 97 percent of referred applicants were hired. But they don't tend to last.
Mexican workers are far likelier to stick through the season than native-born workers. About 90 percent were still working five months along, compared to less than 10 percent of native-born workers:
North Carolina needed 6,500 farm workers. Only 7 Americans stuck it out.
In other words, they need to pay them more.yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....Any person who is not disabled can do farm work.you have to be cut out to do that shit......the migrant farm workers out here are "born" into it...Lazy assed rubes
That data is interesting, because it describes the labor market before any immigrant workers are recruited. That, as Clemens says, "allows us to assess the willingness of native workers to take farm jobs before they can even be offered to foreign workers, meaning that this study does not miss any impact caused by people who self-select out of an area or occupation because of competition with foreign workers."
That willingness, he finds, is basically nonexistent. Every year from 1998 to 2012, at least 130,000 North Carolinians were unemployed. Of those, the number who asked to be referred to NCGA was never above 268 (and that number was only reached in 2011, when 489,095 North Carolinians were unemployed). The share of unemployed asking for referrals never breached 0.09 percent.
When native unemployed people are referred to NCGA, they're almost without exception hired; between 1998 and 2011, 97 percent of referred applicants were hired. But they don't tend to last.
Mexican workers are far likelier to stick through the season than native-born workers. About 90 percent were still working five months along, compared to less than 10 percent of native-born workers:
North Carolina needed 6,500 farm workers. Only 7 Americans stuck it out.
Let say you went to these kind of work........... How much do you think you should get pay? Last time I heard these people get paid between $8 to $10 to $15.
If you are not cut out for these kind of jobs guarantee you will not last.
Lazy assed rubes
That data is interesting, because it describes the labor market before any immigrant workers are recruited. That, as Clemens says, "allows us to assess the willingness of native workers to take farm jobs before they can even be offered to foreign workers, meaning that this study does not miss any impact caused by people who self-select out of an area or occupation because of competition with foreign workers."
That willingness, he finds, is basically nonexistent. Every year from 1998 to 2012, at least 130,000 North Carolinians were unemployed. Of those, the number who asked to be referred to NCGA was never above 268 (and that number was only reached in 2011, when 489,095 North Carolinians were unemployed). The share of unemployed asking for referrals never breached 0.09 percent.
When native unemployed people are referred to NCGA, they're almost without exception hired; between 1998 and 2011, 97 percent of referred applicants were hired. But they don't tend to last.
Mexican workers are far likelier to stick through the season than native-born workers. About 90 percent were still working five months along, compared to less than 10 percent of native-born workers:
North Carolina needed 6,500 farm workers. Only 7 Americans stuck it out.
Funny, I grew up in NC. There were very few "immigrants", illegal or otherwise. The farm work got done well enough by the "lazy rubes". Oh, yeah, government handouts were pretty much non-existent, too. Here's a suggestion, ship all the illegal invaders back to their places of origin. Eliminate public assistance, and then see how fast your "lazy rubes" find time and energy to do those agricultural jobs.
1. They did that in Georgia under HB-87 it didn't work so they let the illegals back in.
2. If you have 1 or more kids. How are you going to feed your family with those kind of income working in the field? Don't forget the babysitter when you go to work.
The Law Of Unintended Consequences: Georgia's Immigration Law Backfires
To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the state’s farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables.
The labor shortages, which also have affected the hotel and restaurant industries, are a consequence of Georgia’s immigration enforcement law, HB 87, which was passed last year. As State Rep. Matt Ramsey, one of the bill’s authors, said at the time, “Our goal is … to eliminate incentives for illegal aliens to cross into our state.”
Now he and others are learning: Be careful what you wish for, because you may get more than you bargained for.
I suppose I should clarify the "when" as well as where...When I was growing up in NC, public assistance was minimal, what little existed at the time. Mothers stayed at home, took care of the kids, the home, and the "bread winner". People lived within their means and we hadn't yet been recently visited by crippling inflation. If extra money was needed, Dad got a second job. When each of the kids started working, often in the fields and on farms, we were expected to pay room and board to the folks. Before we were old enough to work, we'd go around the neighborhood and mow lawns, weed gardens, babysit, or we'd collect pop bottles for the deposit money. If we were "poor" we never knew it because just about everyone else we knew was like us. People had a whole different concept of "poor" and most of the fathers I knew would have rather cut off their nuts than not be responsible for their families. If Mom had to work outside the home, Dad hadn't done his job and the family would be ashamed.
Biggest differences between then and now: no public handouts, people worked and earned their keep, those who didn't were ashamed; if something extra was needed, additional job(s) were acquired and children were expected to contribute family welfare; there is no shame anymore, anything goes and there are all kinds of excuses why someone has failed to make something of themselves.
I have a large garden and I find it very relaxing to tend my my garden. It's certainly not what I would call tough work. And the fact that 1/4 -1/5 migrant farm workers are female is proof enough that it is not a very physically demanding job. If it was really as physically demanding as you claim, there would be no women doing it.thats not true,the great majority are young males.....and its not difficult,its physically tough....give it a try some time mohammad....It is not very difficult work. If it is so physically demanding, how do you explain the fact that so many migrant farm workers are female?even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....In other words, they need to pay them more.yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....Any person who is not disabled can do farm work.
even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....In other words, they need to pay them more.yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....Any person who is not disabled can do farm work.you have to be cut out to do that shit......the migrant farm workers out here are "born" into it...Lazy assed rubes
That data is interesting, because it describes the labor market before any immigrant workers are recruited. That, as Clemens says, "allows us to assess the willingness of native workers to take farm jobs before they can even be offered to foreign workers, meaning that this study does not miss any impact caused by people who self-select out of an area or occupation because of competition with foreign workers."
That willingness, he finds, is basically nonexistent. Every year from 1998 to 2012, at least 130,000 North Carolinians were unemployed. Of those, the number who asked to be referred to NCGA was never above 268 (and that number was only reached in 2011, when 489,095 North Carolinians were unemployed). The share of unemployed asking for referrals never breached 0.09 percent.
When native unemployed people are referred to NCGA, they're almost without exception hired; between 1998 and 2011, 97 percent of referred applicants were hired. But they don't tend to last.
Mexican workers are far likelier to stick through the season than native-born workers. About 90 percent were still working five months along, compared to less than 10 percent of native-born workers:
North Carolina needed 6,500 farm workers. Only 7 Americans stuck it out.
give it a shot mo....come out here this summer,just let me know when and where,i want to see how long you last.....I have a large garden and I find it very relaxing to tend my my garden. It's certainly not what I would call tough work. And the fact that 1/4 -1/5 migrant farm workers are female is proof enough that it is not a very physically demanding job. If it was really as physically demanding as you claim, there would be no women doing it.thats not true,the great majority are young males.....and its not difficult,its physically tough....give it a try some time mohammad....It is not very difficult work. If it is so physically demanding, how do you explain the fact that so many migrant farm workers are female?even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....In other words, they need to pay them more.yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....
I've been a cement mason for a few decades and have never encountered a female cement mason. That is because it is tough, physically demanding work and women (and most men) simply do not have enough strength and stamina to perform the job.
farm work or picking crops all summer long?....even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....In other words, they need to pay them more.yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....Any person who is not disabled can do farm work.you have to be cut out to do that shit......the migrant farm workers out here are "born" into it...
I was "Joey the kid on summer vacation", and I did farm work.
Mark
farm work or picking crops all summer long?....even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....In other words, they need to pay them more.yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....Any person who is not disabled can do farm work.
I was "Joey the kid on summer vacation", and I did farm work.
Mark
The bracero program doesn't exist anymore, you know.Lazy assed rubes? As opposed to those poor Democrat work dynamos? Do you have any idea how hard that work is? Farmers definitely need MIGRANT farm workers for seasonal labor. That's different from Illegal Immigrants whose intent is to ignore the immigration process and settle here permanently. If you need me to explain the difference between migrant farm workers and illegal immigrants, let me know.
I could last as long as I wanted.give it a shot mo....come out here this summer,just let me know when and where,i want to see how long you last.....I have a large garden and I find it very relaxing to tend my my garden. It's certainly not what I would call tough work. And the fact that 1/4 -1/5 migrant farm workers are female is proof enough that it is not a very physically demanding job. If it was really as physically demanding as you claim, there would be no women doing it.thats not true,the great majority are young males.....and its not difficult,its physically tough....give it a try some time mohammad....It is not very difficult work. If it is so physically demanding, how do you explain the fact that so many migrant farm workers are female?even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....In other words, they need to pay them more.
I've been a cement mason for a few decades and have never encountered a female cement mason. That is because it is tough, physically demanding work and women (and most men) simply do not have enough strength and stamina to perform the job.
I could last as long as I wanted.give it a shot mo....come out here this summer,just let me know when and where,i want to see how long you last.....I have a large garden and I find it very relaxing to tend my my garden. It's certainly not what I would call tough work. And the fact that 1/4 -1/5 migrant farm workers are female is proof enough that it is not a very physically demanding job. If it was really as physically demanding as you claim, there would be no women doing it.thats not true,the great majority are young males.....and its not difficult,its physically tough....give it a try some time mohammad....It is not very difficult work. If it is so physically demanding, how do you explain the fact that so many migrant farm workers are female?even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....
I've been a cement mason for a few decades and have never encountered a female cement mason. That is because it is tough, physically demanding work and women (and most men) simply do not have enough strength and stamina to perform the job.
Want to know how hard you work? You can tell by the number of calories you burn above your basal metabolic rate.
Calories Burned by Exercise, Walking, Etc. (CalorieLab)
At 6'1 210 pounds, a cement mason burns ~546 calories/hour above their basal metabolic rate. For a 12 hour workday that = 6552 calories. And since I am always the lead man on the crew and work much faster than most Cement Masons for me it's probably 600-700 calories/hour. (And my calorie intake confirms that).
Those migrant farm workers migrate from farm to farm picking fruits and vegetables. According to the chart a person my size picking fruits and vegetables will burn ~182 calories/hour above their basal metabolic rate.. For a 12 hour work day that = 2184 calories.
If you do the math you'll have to conclude that my job is about 3 times more physically demanding than a migrant worker's job. So I'm not buying any argument that the work is too hard for Americans to do. I know it's simply bullshit.
so if you are admitting no one wants to do it,why do you think that is?....farm work or picking crops all summer long?....even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....In other words, they need to pay them more.yea they can do it.....the big question is....will they stick with it after they do it for a few weeks?......they have tried this shit many a time in california.....the answer is VERY few....thats why Cal has had the migrant farm worker program ...if you think some high school kid is going to bend over all day long in 110 degree heat for the wages those people get you must be smoking the good stuff.....
I was "Joey the kid on summer vacation", and I did farm work.
Mark
All of it. When I was a kid, almost every cucumber picker was a white teenager. Today, they can't? Nope. They just don't want to.
Try loading 7 semis a day with 100 pound bags of potatoes, 450 bags per semi, and tell me how I couldn't do it. And I was 15 when I did that.
Mark
so if you are admitting no one wants to do it,why do you think that is?....farm work or picking crops all summer long?....even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....In other words, they need to pay them more.
I was "Joey the kid on summer vacation", and I did farm work.
Mark
All of it. When I was a kid, almost every cucumber picker was a white teenager. Today, they can't? Nope. They just don't want to.
Try loading 7 semis a day with 100 pound bags of potatoes, 450 bags per semi, and tell me how I couldn't do it. And I was 15 when I did that.
Mark
good for you mo.....now how many people in our society would get out there in central california and pick produce all day long in 100 degree heat and do it for the whole summer?.....and if you tell me lots im going to laugh,because like i said that has already been tried out here more than once and it did not work out to well.....I could last as long as I wanted.give it a shot mo....come out here this summer,just let me know when and where,i want to see how long you last.....I have a large garden and I find it very relaxing to tend my my garden. It's certainly not what I would call tough work. And the fact that 1/4 -1/5 migrant farm workers are female is proof enough that it is not a very physically demanding job. If it was really as physically demanding as you claim, there would be no women doing it.thats not true,the great majority are young males.....and its not difficult,its physically tough....give it a try some time mohammad....It is not very difficult work. If it is so physically demanding, how do you explain the fact that so many migrant farm workers are female?even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....
I've been a cement mason for a few decades and have never encountered a female cement mason. That is because it is tough, physically demanding work and women (and most men) simply do not have enough strength and stamina to perform the job.
Want to know how hard you work? You can tell by the number of calories you burn above your basal metabolic rate.
Calories Burned by Exercise, Walking, Etc. (CalorieLab)
At 6'1 210 pounds, a cement mason burns ~546 calories/hour above their basal metabolic rate. For a 12 hour workday that = 6552 calories. And since I am always the lead man on the crew and work much faster than most Cement Masons for me it's probably 600-700 calories/hour. (And my calorie intake confirms that).
Those migrant farm workers migrate from farm to farm picking fruits and vegetables. According to the chart a person my size picking fruits and vegetables will burn ~182 calories/hour above their basal metabolic rate.. For a 12 hour work day that = 2184 calories.
If you do the math you'll have to conclude that my job is about 3 times more physically demanding than a migrant worker's job. So I'm not buying any argument that the work is too hard for Americans to do. I know it's simply bullshit.
the wage thing aint going to change anytime soon.....so if you are admitting no one wants to do it,why do you think that is?....farm work or picking crops all summer long?....even if they paid more there are standards you have to meet,you have to pick a lot of produce,and try working in 110 degrees with no shade....lots of people either would not think its worth it or would not be able to tolerate the conditions....thats just the way it is,its a mental and physical thing that not everyone can do.....many of the migrants have been doing it their whole lives.....they are used to the conditions....joey the kid on summer vacation?,i dont think so....ben the guy who is unemployed?,will probably be back on unemployment after a few weeks.....its a lot harder then apparently, what some seem to think....
I was "Joey the kid on summer vacation", and I did farm work.
Mark
All of it. When I was a kid, almost every cucumber picker was a white teenager. Today, they can't? Nope. They just don't want to.
Try loading 7 semis a day with 100 pound bags of potatoes, 450 bags per semi, and tell me how I couldn't do it. And I was 15 when I did that.
Mark
Pay. As I carpenter, I will do my job for a fair wage. If I am not compensated fairly, I won't do the job.
There is a vast difference between can't and won't.
Mark
the wage thing aint going to change anytime soon.....so if you are admitting no one wants to do it,why do you think that is?....farm work or picking crops all summer long?....I was "Joey the kid on summer vacation", and I did farm work.
Mark
All of it. When I was a kid, almost every cucumber picker was a white teenager. Today, they can't? Nope. They just don't want to.
Try loading 7 semis a day with 100 pound bags of potatoes, 450 bags per semi, and tell me how I couldn't do it. And I was 15 when I did that.
Mark
Pay. As I carpenter, I will do my job for a fair wage. If I am not compensated fairly, I won't do the job.
There is a vast difference between can't and won't.
Mark
the wage thing aint going to change anytime soon.....so if you are admitting no one wants to do it,why do you think that is?....farm work or picking crops all summer long?....I was "Joey the kid on summer vacation", and I did farm work.
Mark
All of it. When I was a kid, almost every cucumber picker was a white teenager. Today, they can't? Nope. They just don't want to.
Try loading 7 semis a day with 100 pound bags of potatoes, 450 bags per semi, and tell me how I couldn't do it. And I was 15 when I did that.
Mark
Pay. As I carpenter, I will do my job for a fair wage. If I am not compensated fairly, I won't do the job.
There is a vast difference between can't and won't.
Mark
