Nobody is perfect?

[presonorek]

God of the bible is not perfect.

humans are not supposed to be perfect, no life form is.

Nobody is perfect. You have probably heard this statement a lot. This is probably true but is it a beneficial thing to believe?

I learned to spell my name when I was a kid. I bet if I was asked to spell it 1,000 times that I could spell it perfectly every time. This makes me perfect.

As a child I learned multiplication tables. I bet if I was asked to multiple 3x8 1,000 times that I could come up with the correct answer every time. This makes me perfect.

My question is this: Can this level of perfection be applied to more complex tasks if a level of mastery is achieved? Can an accountant file 1,000 tax returns accurately every single time? Can a secretary file all 1,000 documents into the correct file every single time? Can a mail man deliver every letter exactly where it is supposed to go without error every single day?

Is it a worthwhile endeavor to even try? Is it emotionally harmful to attempt to achieve perfection in a work situation? Is it economically lazy to give up on the possibility of doing your job 100% perfect? Is it detrimental to productivity to try to be perfect because perfection requires a minimum amount of output. If nothing is done, no mistakes are made. Thus less work leads to more perfection. More work would lead to less perfection.

If we can be perfect with simple task, why can't we be perfect with more complex tasks? Doesn't anybody understand where I am going with this thought?

 

[skye]

LOL.... nobody is perfect indeed.

What else can we add?

Not a word...not one.

 

[presonorek]

LOL.... nobody is perfect indeed.

What else can we add?

Not a word...not one.

Yet you managed to add 14 words to the discussion.

 

[skye]

LOL.... nobody is perfect indeed.

What else can we add?

Not a word...not one.

Yet you managed to add 14 words to the discussion.

yes I did... but when did I say I was perfect?

 

[skye]

haha

 

[presonorek]

yes I did... but when did I say I was perfect?

That is a fair point. You get an A+.

 

[skye]

thanks ^^^

 

[Asclepias]

God of the bible is not perfect.

humans are not supposed to be perfect, no life form is.

Nobody is perfect. You have probably heard this statement a lot. This is probably true but is it a beneficial thing to believe?

I learned to spell my name when I was a kid. I bet if I was asked to spell it 1,000 times that I could spell it perfectly every time. This makes me perfect.

As a child I learned multiplication tables. I bet if I was asked to multiple 3x8 1,000 times that I could come up with the correct answer every time. This makes me perfect.

My question is this: Can this level of perfection be applied to more complex tasks if a level of mastery is achieved? Can an accountant file 1,000 tax returns accurately every single time? Can a secretary file all 1,000 documents into the correct file every single time? Can a mail man deliver every letter exactly where it is supposed to go without error every single day?

Is it a worthwhile endeavor to even try? Is it emotionally harmful to attempt to achieve perfection in a work situation? Is it economically lazy to give up on the possibility of doing your job 100% perfect? Is it detrimental to productivity to try to be perfect because perfection requires a minimum amount of output. If nothing is done, no mistakes are made. Thus less work leads to more perfection. More work would lead to less perfection.

If we can be perfect with simple task, why can't we be perfect with more complex tasks? Doesn't anybody understand where I am going with this thought?

Practice makes perfect.

 

[midcan5]

I will probably disagree with where you are going .... but often the phrase is an excuse for bad behavior. In children we may excuse a mistake if we feel the child takes it too serious, and say no one is perfect but.... For adults the phrase comes to be a meaningless cliche. Having managed large IT systems, if someone told me after a serious problem, 'no one is perfect' I may scream and I am a calm person. lol

 

[koshergrl]

Christ was perfect. I have always believed mathematics is the most direct reflection we have today of the face and mind of God.

 

[Asclepias]

I will probably disagree with where you are going .... but often the phrase is an excuse for bad behavior. In children we may excuse a mistake if we feel the child takes it too serious, and say no one is perfect but.... For adults the phrase comes to be a meaningless cliche. Having managed large IT systems, if someone told me after a serious problem, 'no one is perfect' I may scream and I am a calm person. lol

I work in IT as well so I agree. You develop processes to avoid errors, test, refine your process and test again in a ongoing loop. Eventually you will hit perfection. The imperfection comes when you ignore that process or miss a step.

 

[aris2chat]

God of the bible is not perfect.

humans are not supposed to be perfect, no life form is.

Nobody is perfect. You have probably heard this statement a lot. This is probably true but is it a beneficial thing to believe?

I learned to spell my name when I was a kid. I bet if I was asked to spell it 1,000 times that I could spell it perfectly every time. This makes me perfect.

As a child I learned multiplication tables. I bet if I was asked to multiple 3x8 1,000 times that I could come up with the correct answer every time. This makes me perfect.

My question is this: Can this level of perfection be applied to more complex tasks if a level of mastery is achieved? Can an accountant file 1,000 tax returns accurately every single time? Can a secretary file all 1,000 documents into the correct file every single time? Can a mail man deliver every letter exactly where it is supposed to go without error every single day?

Is it a worthwhile endeavor to even try? Is it emotionally harmful to attempt to achieve perfection in a work situation? Is it economically lazy to give up on the possibility of doing your job 100% perfect? Is it detrimental to productivity to try to be perfect because perfection requires a minimum amount of output. If nothing is done, no mistakes are made. Thus less work leads to more perfection. More work would lead to less perfection.

If we can be perfect with simple task, why can't we be perfect with more complex tasks? Doesn't anybody understand where I am going with this thought?

Practice makes perfect.

Practice might make improvement but not perfect. There is no perfection. Perfect would be absolute oblivion. No beginning, no end, no change, nothing.

 

[aris2chat]

Christ was perfect. I have always believed mathematics is the most direct reflection we have today of the face and mind of God.

If death and illness are god's will, why did he heal or raise the dead?
If he was perfect, why was his body able to be killed?
If he was perfect, why did he disobey his parents?
If you read other tales of his life as a child, why did he lie or kill if he was so perfect?
If he was so perfect, why did he require others to die or kill in his name?

 

[aris2chat]

I will probably disagree with where you are going .... but often the phrase is an excuse for bad behavior. In children we may excuse a mistake if we feel the child takes it too serious, and say no one is perfect but.... For adults the phrase comes to be a meaningless cliche. Having managed large IT systems, if someone told me after a serious problem, 'no one is perfect' I may scream and I am a calm person. lol

I work in IT as well so I agree. You develop processes to avoid errors, test, refine your process and test again in a ongoing loop. Eventually you will hit perfection. The imperfection comes when you ignore that process or miss a step.

and someone smarter or with more determination will find a way around your 'perfection'. There will eventually be something more perfect created by someone else in the future. Some improvement, something better

 

[Asclepias]

God of the bible is not perfect.

humans are not supposed to be perfect, no life form is.

Nobody is perfect. You have probably heard this statement a lot. This is probably true but is it a beneficial thing to believe?

I learned to spell my name when I was a kid. I bet if I was asked to spell it 1,000 times that I could spell it perfectly every time. This makes me perfect.

As a child I learned multiplication tables. I bet if I was asked to multiple 3x8 1,000 times that I could come up with the correct answer every time. This makes me perfect.

My question is this: Can this level of perfection be applied to more complex tasks if a level of mastery is achieved? Can an accountant file 1,000 tax returns accurately every single time? Can a secretary file all 1,000 documents into the correct file every single time? Can a mail man deliver every letter exactly where it is supposed to go without error every single day?

Is it a worthwhile endeavor to even try? Is it emotionally harmful to attempt to achieve perfection in a work situation? Is it economically lazy to give up on the possibility of doing your job 100% perfect? Is it detrimental to productivity to try to be perfect because perfection requires a minimum amount of output. If nothing is done, no mistakes are made. Thus less work leads to more perfection. More work would lead to less perfection.

If we can be perfect with simple task, why can't we be perfect with more complex tasks? Doesn't anybody understand where I am going with this thought?

Practice makes perfect.

Practice might make improvement but not perfect. There is no perfection. Perfect would be absolute oblivion. No beginning, no end, no change, nothing.

Of course there is perfection. People who have never achieved it have no idea it exists.

 

[Asclepias]

I will probably disagree with where you are going .... but often the phrase is an excuse for bad behavior. In children we may excuse a mistake if we feel the child takes it too serious, and say no one is perfect but.... For adults the phrase comes to be a meaningless cliche. Having managed large IT systems, if someone told me after a serious problem, 'no one is perfect' I may scream and I am a calm person. lol

I work in IT as well so I agree. You develop processes to avoid errors, test, refine your process and test again in a ongoing loop. Eventually you will hit perfection. The imperfection comes when you ignore that process or miss a step.

and someone smarter or with more determination will find a way around your 'perfection'. There will eventually be something more perfect created by someone else in the future. Some improvement, something better

You cant get more perfect than perfection. You may have a different idea as to what that entails but that doesnt really mean much.

 

[aris2chat]

I will probably disagree with where you are going .... but often the phrase is an excuse for bad behavior. In children we may excuse a mistake if we feel the child takes it too serious, and say no one is perfect but.... For adults the phrase comes to be a meaningless cliche. Having managed large IT systems, if someone told me after a serious problem, 'no one is perfect' I may scream and I am a calm person. lol

I work in IT as well so I agree. You develop processes to avoid errors, test, refine your process and test again in a ongoing loop. Eventually you will hit perfection. The imperfection comes when you ignore that process or miss a step.

and someone smarter or with more determination will find a way around your 'perfection'. There will eventually be something more perfect created by someone else in the future. Some improvement, something better

You cant get more perfect than perfection. You may have a different idea as to what that entails but that doesnt really mean much.

Perfection would mean the end of evolution. There would be nothing beyond that. The universe is not perfect so why should you presume humans can ever be?

If god created us with flaws, how can he expect perfection from us?

If the universe has limits then there is no true infinity. We might try for the perfection but as long as limits exist there will never be anything close to perfection.

We were not perfect when we first stood on two legs and if mankind still exists in a million years we will not have reach perfection then either.

As long as we have needs and desires; a long we strive to be better; as long we have feel love and pain; as long we have have birth and death we cannot be perfect no matter how hard we try. No god should expect us to be perfect. We are not gods.

 

[presonorek]

Perfection would mean the end of evolution. There would be nothing beyond that. The universe is not perfect so why should you presume humans can ever be?

If god created us with flaws, how can he expect perfection from us?

If the universe has limits then there is no true infinity. We might try for the perfection but as long as limits exist there will never be anything close to perfection.

We were not perfect when we first stood on two legs and if mankind still exists in a million years we will not have reach perfection then either.

As long as we have needs and desires; a long we strive to be better; as long we have feel love and pain; as long we have have birth and death we cannot be perfect no matter how hard we try. No god should expect us to be perfect. We are not gods.

Let's imagine that I have created a religion that only has one rule. That rule is, "Never murder human beings".

Could you be perfect in that regard? Most people could maintain that level of perfection for life.

 

[Asclepias]

I will probably disagree with where you are going .... but often the phrase is an excuse for bad behavior. In children we may excuse a mistake if we feel the child takes it too serious, and say no one is perfect but.... For adults the phrase comes to be a meaningless cliche. Having managed large IT systems, if someone told me after a serious problem, 'no one is perfect' I may scream and I am a calm person. lol

I work in IT as well so I agree. You develop processes to avoid errors, test, refine your process and test again in a ongoing loop. Eventually you will hit perfection. The imperfection comes when you ignore that process or miss a step.

and someone smarter or with more determination will find a way around your 'perfection'. There will eventually be something more perfect created by someone else in the future. Some improvement, something better

You cant get more perfect than perfection. You may have a different idea as to what that entails but that doesnt really mean much.

Perfection would mean the end of evolution. There would be nothing beyond that. The universe is not perfect so why should you presume humans can ever be?

If god created us with flaws, how can he expect perfection from us?

If the universe has limits then there is no true infinity. We might try for the perfection but as long as limits exist there will never be anything close to perfection.

We were not perfect when we first stood on two legs and if mankind still exists in a million years we will not have reach perfection then either.

As long as we have needs and desires; a long we strive to be better; as long we have feel love and pain; as long we have have birth and death we cannot be perfect no matter how hard we try. No god should expect us to be perfect. We are not gods.

I disagree. Again perfection and what it entails may be the point of disagreement. God, or religions concept of god, is a fable. The real god made us perfect and expects nothing from us. Maybe we should get a consensus on what perfection means before continuing this.

 

[aris2chat]

I will probably disagree with where you are going .... but often the phrase is an excuse for bad behavior. In children we may excuse a mistake if we feel the child takes it too serious, and say no one is perfect but.... For adults the phrase comes to be a meaningless cliche. Having managed large IT systems, if someone told me after a serious problem, 'no one is perfect' I may scream and I am a calm person. lol

I work in IT as well so I agree. You develop processes to avoid errors, test, refine your process and test again in a ongoing loop. Eventually you will hit perfection. The imperfection comes when you ignore that process or miss a step.

and someone smarter or with more determination will find a way around your 'perfection'. There will eventually be something more perfect created by someone else in the future. Some improvement, something better

You cant get more perfect than perfection. You may have a different idea as to what that entails but that doesnt really mean much.

If you were perfect, why do you care what others think or say? Why you have to try so hard to convince others to think as you do? Why do you even need to be on the computer or use machinery of any kind? Why do you need clothes or food? Why do you crave to love or have any feeling at all? Why do you like this but not that?

So what exactly does perfection look like to you and how will you know if we ever reach that point? What will there be after perfection? What would be our purpose for existence? What would be the purpose of the universe? What would be the purpose if a god?

The only perfection is the absolute absence of everything.

The very idea that god exists and acts means he is not perfect. Giving a god emotions like love or anger is making him imperfect. Giving him a need to create makes him imperfect. The very fact that we are not already aware of what his words, demands, religion, etc., are makes him imperfect. We should not need a book or for someone else to tell us what he expects from us. We should not need any outside form of communication that can be distorted or misunderstood.

Even is we were gods, we would be in some form of competition and conflict with each other and with god.

So no there is no perfection, now or ever. There is no perfect god.

There might be some force out there that we in our small imaginations might perceive as god, but it is not perfect, just more evolved that we are. As long as we give it human attributes it can never be perfect to us. Even pure energy, as we understand it, has it's opposite so that is not not perfection either.